GUY Big J 8LXB Tractor Unit

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1901

Bewick:

Dipster:

[zb]
anorak:

Bewick:
You “CF” … are quoting from text books … Cheers Bewick.

He’s not. He’s quoting from hobby books, or snippets he’s heard other noisy people say. I am quoting from textbooks, or snippets that I can remember from decades ago.

I have been happily amused by all this. Years of practical experience (from operators) culminating with a few bob in pockets versus…well what exactly?

It would be very interesting to see the CV of CF, who does seem to duck questions he does not wish to answer. Perhaps then we could all take his proclamations more seriously. Or have I missed it?

Go on CF, answer some of the questions you have avoided and let us all know a touch more about your experience in the real world.

But do, please, continue to keep me entertained.

I’m sorry for maybe insulting the more learned of our Members by suggesting that “CF” was quoting from text books ! When quite rightly he was only referring to knowledge he has read in the Truck Comics and Brochures he has begged from Manufactures, Oh! and “CF”'s CV ? Simples— Pan Crack followed by JSA ! Cheers Bewick.

To be fair Dennis if this site would have been available when you were starting up the advice on here would have been priceless. You could have had a fleet of Crusaders with 280 Rolls or the frugal Bedford TM with a big Detroit running up and down the motorways … what a shame :wink:

1902

You know, logging onto this thread is like that aching molar that you hope will eventually go away! You know it is there, you know that probing it with your tongue is going to cause you pain but STILL you just keep on doing it. :unamused:

Pete.

1903

windrush:
You know, logging onto this thread is like that aching molar that you hope will eventually go away! You know it is there, you know that probing it with your tongue is going to cause you pain but STILL you just keep on doing it. :unamused:

Pete.

Like I said Pete he makes you lot have it. One day somebody will come out on top, my shilling’s on C F. Best of luck

1904

Coomsey I’ve been saying that for years, he may be a pain in the arse, but he’s our pain in the arse!

Ramone, the Volvo is more of a fleet truck, there’s tons of them around on the market, so it’s in the buyers favour. They’re a very good lorry and second to none for living accommodation, but they don’t come close to a Peterbilt for ride and handling. They’re also a bit fragile compared to the Peterbilt, they may say Volvo on the front, but they’re not built like a Swedish Volvo, not even close.

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1905

PAGE 7 around the 19th post down,Wednesday,20th January,2010.

Bewick:

3300John:
Hiya If you think Gardners are slow i will swear on my life this ERF when getting on the M1off the M10 would sit at 68MPH and could reach 73MPH
loaded all the way up the Motorway till reaching Leicester forest where she would drop to 45MPH over the top and 73MPH traming to JCT 25 Derby.
this was 1976 ish and there was not alot of traffic,If you lifted your foot off you could loose 5 MPH it took 2/3 minutes to get rolling again.

This was my pride and joy in 1978 she was 6 years old it was ex S Jones Aldridge european tanker (34 tonner).I was doing a job out of Ensor blocks (Sandbach)to Coventry (just off JCT3)it took 1hour 20 mins one way she would go up past Hilton park services at 60MPH loaded at 32 tons with a clear run.
I wished i still had her to prove the point.A Series ERF 8LXB 64MPH was real. Then some gypo [zb] nicked her one night and cut her up for the engine

John these fine shots of these superb motors should really be on the ERF thread !! Seriously you will set Carryfast off again with lauding the the very superior merits of the Legendary Gardener engine !!! Cheers Bewick.

TruckNetUK .Old Time Lorries.Guy Big J Gardner 8LXB Tractive Unit.VALKYRIE.Friday,7th July,2017.

Part 1. PHOTOBUCKET Ransom. :smiling_imp: :unamused:

I am not quoting the above Bewick quote regarding the written contents of the post.I am showing the above post from PAGE 7,around the 19th post down,Wednesday,20th January,2010 because of the iniquitous,callous,daylight- robbing action that Photobucket has taken on the millions of photographs of the millions of Photobucket users and members since Monday,26th June,2017. :smiling_imp: :unamused:

Without any warning,Photobucket has changed the terms and conditions of it’s photograph hosting service:For third party hosting of photographs
on other websites members have got no option but to pay $399 (£308) per year for Photobucket to link photographs and put them up on websites. :smiling_imp: :unamused:

Thus millions of photographs on millions of websites have been replaced by that obscene Photobucket 500 sign that you now see before your eyes. :smiling_imp: :unamused:

It is a unholy customer relations disaster for Photobucket who could well go out of business because of it! :exclamation: :laughing: Millions of users are playing hell over it and deserting Photobucket and joining other photograph hosting companies such as Flickr. :smiley:

Photobucket promised a free photograph hosting service.Millions of photographs that have been on websites for years,such as the above Bewick
photographs have now been blocked and replaced by that obscene Photobucket ransom sign!! :smiling_imp: :unamused:

Websites that deal in important and historical issues,such as TruckNetUK - Old Time Lorries (and NO! :exclamation: I AM NOT JOKING! :exclamation: ),etc and show important and historical photographs,documents,etc, have now been WRECKED by the iniquitous actions of Photobucket! :exclamation: :smiling_imp: :unamused:

My TruckNetUK posts with Photobucket-hosted photographs are now wrecked - including my Guy Big J Gardner 8LXB Tractive Unit posts with
photographs of important documents from the British Commercial Vehicle Museum and the Anson Engine Museum!! :exclamation: :exclamation: :smiling_imp: :unamused:

What Photobucket has done is UNETHICAL!! :exclamation: :exclamation: :smiling_imp: :unamused: - and they ought to be sued for damages!! :exclamation: :exclamation: :smiling_imp: :unamused:

This iniquitous Photobucket ransom has also affected Amazon,EBay and thousands of other well known companies! :exclamation: :smiling_imp: :unamused:

I am going to wait and see what happens regarding Photobucket policy…they might come to their senses and revert back to their old terms and conditions or modify them in a more equtable way.

I’m already a member of Flickr;it looks as though I’ll be using it far more often from now on! :exclamation: :smiley: Including re-posting all my photographs with it -
what a job that will be! :exclamation: Not only on TruckNetUK but on at least two other websites… :unamused: :slight_smile:

Surely there must be a way to directly post your photographs on to websites,including TruckNetUK, without the need of a photograph hosting
website. You can post your photographs directly on to TWITTER!! :exclamation: :exclamation: :smiley: You should be able to do the same on TruckNetUK! :exclamation: :smiley: and millions of other websites.
So come on TruckNetUK! :exclamation: :smiley:

Please see these news reports and the reactions they get from FURIOUS Photobucket users! :exclamation: :smiling_imp: :unamused: :-

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40492668

news.com.au/finance/business … e6ec2520c6

Photobucket users are effectively and collectively saying to Photobucket: 'Go to hell! :exclamation: :smiling_imp: :unamused:

PART 2.Guy Big J,■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■

archive.commercialmotor.com/page … er-1970/92

Here is a table of the specifications of high power automotive diesel engines that were available in commercial vehicles at the
time of the Commercial Vehicle Motor Show 1970,at Earls Court,London. Most if not all of these were to be available in
heavy lorries-motor trucks for years to come,and some of them were steadily developed over the years,and a good many of them
became more powerful.

Anyway you can make comparisons between the engines,including the respective specific fuel consumptions on the extreme right of the table…
just navigate your mouse on the zoomed-in table :slight_smile:

As I’ve said on posts elsewhere,some road haulage concerns never operated Gardner-engined buses,motorcoaches and lorries and were not overly
concerned about fuel consumption.They wanted speed,power,getting the job done quickly and so they bought superb motor vehicles built by AEC,
Leyland,Foden (two strokes),Scania,Mercedes-Benz,Volvo,■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ and Rolls-Royce-engined Atkinson’s,ERF’s,Foden’s,Scammell’s,etc. :smiley:

VALKYRIE

1906

newmercman:
Coomsey I’ve been saying that for years, he may be a pain in the arse, but he’s our pain in the arse!

Ramone, the Volvo is more of a fleet truck, there’s tons of them around on the market, so it’s in the buyers favour. They’re a very good lorry and second to none for living accommodation, but they don’t come close to a Peterbilt for ride and handling. They’re also a bit fragile compared to the Peterbilt, they may say Volvo on the front, but they’re not built like a Swedish Volvo, not even close.

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Purely out of curiosity nmm, since Mack now seem to be using exclusively Volvo drivelines with Mack badges, is their build quality still what would be expected of a Mack or have they gone the VN route as well?

1907

From what I’ve seen the Mack highway trucks are just Volvos with a different cab, the chassis and running gear looks identical, I understand that the Mack software isn’t as good as the Volvo equivalent, they tried to give it Mack characteristics and spoilt it, although I have no practical experience of them so can’t say for sure, although a friend had one and it was a complete dog (No pun intended) it nearly sent him skint.

The off highway stuff they make looks as tough as, well a Mack truck.

I like the look of the Mack and the big Mack badge and bulldog mascot appeal to my inner child, I did consider one, but the local dealership is said to be the worst in all of North America, so I never bothered

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1908

VALKYRIE:
Surely there must be a way to directly post your photographs on to websites,including TruckNetUK, without the need of a photograph hosting
website. You can post your photographs directly on to TWITTER!! :exclamation: :exclamation: :smiley: You should be able to do the same on TruckNetUK! :exclamation: :smiley: and millions of other websites.
So come on TruckNetUK! :exclamation: :smiley:

VALKYRIE

You can post images from your computer directly to Trucknet-UK.

See this topic :wink:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=62414

1909

newmercman:
From what I’ve seen the Mack highway trucks are just Volvos with a different cab, the chassis and running gear looks identical, I understand that the Mack software isn’t as good as the Volvo equivalent, they tried to give it Mack characteristics and spoilt it, although I have no practical experience of them so can’t say for sure, although a friend had one and it was a complete dog (No pun intended) it nearly sent him skint.

The off highway stuff they make looks as tough as, well a Mack truck.

I like the look of the Mack and the big Mack badge and bulldog mascot appeal to my inner child, I did consider one, but the local dealership is said to be the worst in all of North America, so I never bothered

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You could start a new thread here NMM , how European lorry manufacturers are influencing or not North America, I`ve never had any interest whatsoever in American lorries but I am interested in how they compare to the europeans

1910

Most of the US manufacturers are using Euro driveline now, Volvo speaks for itself, Mack is similar to Renault in that it uses Volvo bits, Freightliner and Western Star had the engines that power Mercedes-Benz trucks a few years before Merc got them, KW and Peterbilt use the Daf engine. Cab wise the Volvo set the standard for aerodynamics and living space with the VN range and the others are just catching up now. So the Euro influence is huge, they’re even starting to put midlift axles on chassis now (Volvo only at present) there’s still a long way to go though, the North American market doesn’t like change.

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1911

tachograph:

VALKYRIE:
Surely there must be a way to directly post your photographs on to websites,including TruckNetUK, without the need of a photograph hosting
website. You can post your photographs directly on to TWITTER!! :exclamation: :exclamation: :smiley: You should be able to do the same on TruckNetUK! :exclamation: :smiley: and millions of other websites.
So come on TruckNetUK! :exclamation: :smiley:

VALKYRIE

You can post images from your computer directly to Trucknet-UK.

See this topic :wink:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=62414

Yes indeed! I thought that’s what everybody did! I’ve never used a third party to keep my photos. I have posted thousands of pics on this forum over the years direct from my laptop: it takes just a few seconds for each pic. Robert

1912

newmercman:
Most of the US manufacturers are using Euro driveline now, Volvo speaks for itself, Mack is similar to Renault in that it uses Volvo bits, Freightliner and Western Star had the engines that power Mercedes-Benz trucks a few years before Merc got them, KW and Peterbilt use the Daf engine. Cab wise the Volvo set the standard for aerodynamics and living space with the VN range and the others are just catching up now. So the Euro influence is huge, they’re even starting to put midlift axles on chassis now (Volvo only at present) there’s still a long way to go though, the North American market doesn’t like change.

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So have ■■■■■■■ and Caterpillar suffered , do Fuller still have a share and would you say it mirrors what happened here in the late 60s early 70s but from a different angle , say perhaps it`s the drivers that prefer the traditional American lorry but are being forced into European vehicles due to efficiency which the operators are recognising I personally hate automatic lorries but only buy automatic cars how have they taken to autos over there?

1913

■■■■■■■ have suffered to some extent, Volvo engines used to be fitted to less than 50% of Volvos, now they’re 90% vertically integrated. Paccar (KW and Peterbilt) still sell a good proportion of ■■■■■■■ engines and they only offer Eaton Fuller transmissions. Freightliner and Western Star are predominantly Detroit (the Merc engine) powered and they have their own transmission and rear axles available too.

All this has taken sales away from ■■■■■■■ and Eaton Fuller and as time goes on I can see ■■■■■■■ getting out of supplying big diesel engines, just as Caterpillar did in 2010.

Driver acceptance of the new fangled trucks is, on the whole, good, but we are experiencing the dumbing down of drivers into steering wheel holders in just the same way as in Europe, so lots of them can’t actually drive a proper truck anyway.

As far as autos go, it’s the same as over there, Volvo’s I-shift is very good, the Merc equivalent is not bad and everything else (basically Eaton Fuller) is bloody awful.

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1914

Have Volvo not tried their own designs over there ie the new FH or their bonneted versions or would it be a waste of time and money , and have Scania had a go there yet.

1915

ramone:
Have Volvo not tried their own designs over there ie the new FH or their bonneted versions or would it be a waste of time and money , and have Scania had a go there yet.

If you want to check out the US Volvo Truck and Bus Range

www.volvotrucks.us/

1916

ramone:
Have Volvo not tried their own designs over there ie the new FH or their bonneted versions or would it be a waste of time and money , and have Scania had a go there yet.

Cab overs are more or less history there now probably on the basis of they are familiar with and can handle conventionals even in the smaller/medium truck sectors so why compromise on the superior safety and access of conventional v cab over.Then there’s type approval issues in which there seems to be a clear divide between Euro spec v North American and least in terms of chassis and cabs but obviously not Engines and drivelines when it suits the Euros.As for Scania they are probably missing out on loads of sales by at least not offering the V8 as a loose engine option and getting it type approved with the carrot of local production for the North American market.In it being the natural successor to the CAT 3408 with the win win of being more efficient. :bulb:

As for the idea that the Fuller is ‘awful’ as opposed to arguably still more or less the best truck transmission ever made. :open_mouth: I’d go for the Scania V8 with 18 speed Fuller in the Pete there or in the Scania here without a second thought in it being arguably the best combination of old school pushrod and modern management and turbocharging tech available.While the Fuller in 18 speed form is as good as it gets.

On that note what has nmm specced for the box in the glider and would he have rather put a Scania V8 in it if it was available as a loose engine option over there ?.

1917

Carryfast:

ramone:
Have Volvo not tried their own designs over there ie the new FH or their bonneted versions or would it be a waste of time and money , and have Scania had a go there yet.

Cab overs are more or less history there now probably on the basis of they are familiar with and can handle conventionals even in the smaller/medium truck sectors so why compromise on the superior safety and access of conventional v cab over.Then there’s type approval issues in which there seems to be a clear divide between Euro spec v North American and least in terms of chassis and cabs but obviously not Engines and drivelines when it suits the Euros.As for Scania they are probably missing out on loads of sales by at least not offering the V8 as a loose engine option and getting it type approved with the carrot of local production for the North American market.In it being the natural successor to the CAT 3408 with the win win of being more efficient. :bulb:

As for the idea that the Fuller is ‘awful’ as opposed to arguably still more or less the best truck transmission ever made. :open_mouth: I’d go for the Scania V8 with 18 speed Fuller in the Pete there or in the Scania here without a second thought in it being arguably the best combination of old school pushrod and modern management and turbocharging tech available.While the Fuller in 18 speed form is as good as it gets.

On that note what has nmm specced for the box in the glider and would he have rather put a Scania V8 in it if it was available as a loose engine option over there ?.

I think NMM is referiing to Eaton Fuller’s automated manual transmissions, which if they are anything like their SAMT of the 1980s then they probably would be better use as a boat anchor.

1918

ramone:
Have Volvo not tried their own designs over there ie the new FH or their bonneted versions or would it be a waste of time and money , and have Scania had a go there yet.

Ramone. Scania did enter the North American market back in the 80’s. If I remember correctly, someone was importing them using Scania’s in their own fleet and tried to sell some; didn’t seem to last long. Setting up a sales and service network would have been very expensive.

Volvo bought into White GMC and eventually took over using an established network and factory. White GMC was an assembler, Volvo is now an integrated manufacturer using its own engines, gear boxes, axles and cabs. When Volvo bought Renault they also purchased Mack Trucks as part of the deal. As Mark said, Macks have a lot of Volvo parts now including the engines with different software. Volvos are, in my opinion, the best trucks on the road. The deciding factor for me is the cabs are full width whereas Peterbilt and Kenworth are very narrow. The I-Shift is the icing on the cake. I’ve been driving Volvos in the States since 1994, in fact jumped out of one yesterday.
The automated Eaton-Fuller Box called Ultrashift is way behind, as you feel every gear change.

European trucks are way ahead in build quality, electronic mod cons and looks, plus they work at much heavier weights. I’m still using paper logs.

■■■■■■■ are no longer a tier one supplier and they are not even an option of all the manufacturers. Their main diesel engine is the ISX15 l. but they are looking to push their ISLG9, ISLG9NZ and ISC12G CNG and LPG engines. United Parcel Services just put a batch of CNG-■■■■■■■ engines on the road in Kenworth tractor units running in the city and line haul.

■■■■■■■ fit their diesel injection system to International Harvester’s 13 l. engine since they added SCR, as the Mass EGR engine was a total disaster.

Freightliner/Mercedes have just launched their 2018 model full size tractor unit which looks very futuristic and imposing. I haven’t driven one lately, but I believe they are now fitting the MP3 which matched to their world engine should bring it up close to Volvo.

Paul

1919

cav551:

Carryfast:

ramone:
Have Volvo not tried their own designs over there ie the new FH or their bonneted versions or would it be a waste of time and money , and have Scania had a go there yet.

Cab overs are more or less history there now probably on the basis of they are familiar with and can handle conventionals even in the smaller/medium truck sectors so why compromise on the superior safety and access of conventional v cab over.Then there’s type approval issues in which there seems to be a clear divide between Euro spec v North American and least in terms of chassis and cabs but obviously not Engines and drivelines when it suits the Euros.As for Scania they are probably missing out on loads of sales by at least not offering the V8 as a loose engine option and getting it type approved with the carrot of local production for the North American market.In it being the natural successor to the CAT 3408 with the win win of being more efficient. :bulb:

As for the idea that the Fuller is ‘awful’ as opposed to arguably still more or less the best truck transmission ever made. :open_mouth: I’d go for the Scania V8 with 18 speed Fuller in the Pete there or in the Scania here without a second thought in it being arguably the best combination of old school pushrod and modern management and turbocharging tech available.While the Fuller in 18 speed form is as good as it gets.

On that note what has nmm specced for the box in the glider and would he have rather put a Scania V8 in it if it was available as a loose engine option over there ?.

I think NMM is referiing to Eaton Fuller’s automated manual transmissions, which if they are anything like their SAMT of the 1980s then they probably would be better use as a boat anchor.

Firstly with the exception of the proverbial driver having a bad day example the choice between 18 speed manual v automated or Euro type synchro also has to be a no brainer choice.IE simpler,less to go wrong and easier to fix and easier faster shifting than a synchro.In addition to the boredom caused by the loss of a large part of the driver involvement regime.

While I shift is reputedly just another version of automated Fuller ?.In which case maybe Fuller should have made Volvo’s control technology part of the deal for use of the rights to use the Fuller mechanicals.But in either case I don’t get all the looking down on American tech.With as I said the pushrod Scania engines being more in keeping with the old school ■■■■■■■ N14 and 18 speed Fuller also being a case of it ain’t broke so why fix it.With the only advantage as I can see being that of the full width cab conventional design of the Volvo v the old school narrow cab which understandably probably gets a bit tiring in creating a form of having two blindsides with what is effectively a central driving position.

So there you have it US spec Volvo conventional with Scania V8 and an 18 speed Fuller or cab over Scania 730 with 18 speed Fuller in the case of Euroland,the ideal truck. :smiley: :bulb:

1920

Now come on and own up Lads does anyone read the Garbage that “CF” spews out ? Is there no subject this ■■■■ can’t spout bollox about ? Bewick.