Could be a 265 or 290 Roller?
I assume this is the one Dublin Bus put on the city service at kicking-out time:
And I assume that its replacement had a lively 240 Gardner in it:
Robert 
Mentioning CIE reminds me of those very noisy Detroit Diesel engine double deckers tearing about the streets of Dublin when I visited that fair city every few weeks throughout the 1980s. Our friend Carryfast would have revelled in those sounds. 
gingerfold:
Mentioning CIE reminds me of those very noisy Detroit Diesel engine double deckers tearing about the streets of Dublin when I visited that fair city every few weeks throughout the 1980s. Our friend Carryfast would have revelled in those sounds.
Thanks gingerfold I didn’t know that bus operators used them this side of the Atlantic.
Carryfast:
gingerfold:
Mentioning CIE reminds me of those very noisy Detroit Diesel engine double deckers tearing about the streets of Dublin when I visited that fair city every few weeks throughout the 1980s. Our friend Carryfast would have revelled in those sounds.Thanks gingerfold I didn’t know that bus operators used them this side of the Atlantic.
Yes, CF, CIE (the State owned Irish bus company) had its own bus assembly plant and had previously bought engines from Leyland, but plagued by reliability issues they looked elsewhere. In the US the famous Greyhound buses used Detroit Diesels so CIE did the same, and over 300 DD engine buses were built. The Dublin bus drivers really did take them right through the revs band, and the sound echoing back from the buildings is an experience never to be forgotten. The first time I heard them in Dublin was a great surprise, to say the least.
So how many have the 8LXB engine ? Cheers Dennis.
Not the prettiest lorry the Big J, especially when compared to the Warrior and Invincible that preceeded it. The facelift was, in typical BL fashion, even worse.
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Bewick:
So how many have the 8LXB engine ? Cheers Dennis.
Your the man Dennis ,you tell us ! ,is there another Guy thread to post none 8 pots on ?
newmercman:
Not the prettiest lorry the Big J, especially when compared to the Warrior and Invincible that preceeded it. The facelift was, in typical BL fashion, even worse.Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
BL should have had Giovanni Michelotti working for them! IIRC, it was he who designed the Invincible/Warrior cab. Robert
We may have got another “corrugated” cab like the Handyman!
Retired Old ■■■■:
We may have got another “corrugated” cab like the Handyman!
True! I think the Guy cab was more elegant. Robert
BL should have had Giovanni Michelotti working for them! IIRC, it was he who designed the Invincible/Warrior cab. Robert
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Afternoon Gentlemen,
In for a sandwich, having this morning made the most beautiful Organic Hay that I can remember…the aroma, and texture are perfect…(even if I say it myself…self praise is no virtue)!
Sorry Robert, the Invincible/Warrior range was designed by Ron Thomas and Trevor Dudley, Ron mainly on the cab side, and Trevor the chassis and engineering. Ron using the American Ford Thunderbird as a strong inspiration, for the grill and bottom half, and the top was a pure take off of Virgil Exnors Plymouth car of 1957. Originally conceived to tilt, but the fibreglass technology of the 60s could not produce a strong enough structure, (as with Charbonneaux`s Bernard “Television” cab…equally jelly like)! So was mounted on a steel base, secured by eight bolts, the idea being easy remova of the top half for major repairsl.
Personally I find this cab one of the most handsome ever produced in Britain. The family had, (a rather worn), ex LCP Warrior 6 wheeler with a Gardner, and despite having done lots of work, I loved to get the chance to drive her. Something womb like, the way you climbed through that little door, and sat encased in the cab, with those large windscreens in front of you.
Before the Big J Motor Panel cab was accepted Guy experimented with a tilting version of the export Fibreglass LAD cab as worn by the Ashok Leylands…sat very high on the frame if I remember correctly, one of my pals in the village was a Draughtsman at Fallings Park, and he did many drawings trying to get it to work…and a sleeper version was proposed. However the consensus, including Sir William Lyons, was that the design was at its end, hence the move to Motor Panels, and the original proposal of a flat floor ■■■■■■■ V , (being built right adjacent to Guys by Lyons Henry Meadows)....plus propriotory engine options, (at a price premium)! But really the imputus for the Big J, (Big Jaguar), was to come from Cliff Elliott, bought in by William Lyons from pre Chrysler Dodge to build the new Daimler lorry.............only Guy was acquired very cheaply, (£800,000), so that Guy were to manufacture Lyons new lorry.
The relationship between Guy and Sir Alfred Owens Rubery Owen Group, (owners of Motor Panels), was very strong, after all the original Alfred Owen had backed Sydney Guy back in 1914 to set up his own manufacturing company, when he left Wolverhampton based Sunbeam.
Michelotti had originally been engaged by Standard Triumph, then via Leyland by Scammell and produced the Routeman/Trunker cab…comfy driving enviroment…except on a hot day…or in the depth of winter! Good looker though.
Dan, thanks for the Guy pictures,…no 8LXBs there though…anyone remember KTL?..when you went into their yard there were always a long queue of Chinese waiting to buy, (cash only), cooking oil for their takeaways and restaurants! I went to a social at Jindys house on the Broadway once…more marble in his hall than anywhere else in Walsall!..nice people though.
Whatever one thinks in hindsight those Big Js, despite their inherent shortcomings were a very good productive working lorry…but who can never forget that awful feeling from a hill start, as the 220 ■■■■■■■ screamed away, knowing that by the time you went for 2nd in that slow old Thornycroft box…the bugger would have virtually stopped before the revs had died down…no wonder I loved a 12 speed Foden!
Cheerio for now
Saviem:
Many thanks for that gentle correction, John! Certainly the Ron Thomas designed Guy cab will go down in history as Astran’s trail-blazing artic that went to Afghanistan in 1964. As for the Michelotti Scammell cab, I remember hitching a lift in an artic with that cab in about 1971 and being surprised at the Spartan interior and high noise levels! Cheers, Robert
Hi, John & Saviem,
Loath as I am to criticise such a acknowledged expert- and what a memory!- I think I can toss a gentle correction back across the court on behalf of Robert:
The Thorneycroft 6-speed 'box as fitted to the Big J, certainly when mated to the ■■■■■■■ 205/220 was fitted with an excellent inertia brake, air operated on the rear of the gearbox. Quite a lot of Big J drivers complained about the slow gear changes with this set-up, not having found the inertia brake which was engaged by pressing the clutch pedal all the way to the floor. A quick demonstration by a driver “in the know” and the former moaners were amazed by the rapid upward shifts, even when accelerating uphill with a load.
The only problem I encountered with the Guy installation was a tendency to remove the left thumb against the dashboard, particularly when selecting reverse! I later had a number of opportunities to sample an almost identical vehicle, this one fitted with a 9-speed Fuller. It had a much shorter throw on the gear lever- easier on the thumb!- and had a small white button in the top of the gear knob to operate the aforementioned inertia brake.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the clutch-activated intertia brake was fine with a ‘push’ clutch mechanism; but with a ‘pull’ clutch mechanism on the Guy Big-J it was necessary to locate the switch next to the range-change switch on the 9-speed Fuller stick, as illustrated by this picture taken by Fryske. Robert
robert1952:
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the clutch-activated intertia brake was fine with a ‘push’ clutch mechanism; but with a ‘pull’ clutch mechanism on the Guy Big-J it was necessary to locate the switch next to the range-change switch on the 9-speed Fuller stick, as illustrated by this picture taken by Fryske. Robert0
show that gearstick to a few of todays attendants and there’d be right wobbly,
That illustrates the difference between the two gearboxes. Even the Fuller 9 had two different buttons. 
Retired Old ■■■■:
That illustrates the difference between the two gearboxes. Even the Fuller 9 had two different buttons.
As I’m sure you’ll remember ROF, there were at least three! There was the knob with the range-change crudely jubilee clipped to it; there was the knob with the range-change switch in the top of it; and there was the chromium-topped ‘bicycle bell’ knob which could be twisted (like the 13-speed version). [Then there was the knob who could remember all the 9-speed Fuller gearsticks, but we won’t go there!! ]. Robert
robert1952:
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the clutch-activated intertia brake was fine with a ‘push’ clutch mechanism; but with a ‘pull’ clutch mechanism on the Guy Big-J it was necessary to locate the switch next to the range-change switch on the 9-speed Fuller stick, as illustrated by this picture taken by Fryske. Robert0
Hang on a mo, the clutch brake as in the picture, which I drove a few wasn’t a pull switch, it was a push switch, you pushed it down with the palm of your hand while hooking 3 fingers over the stick.