GUY Big J 8LXB Tractor Unit

[carryfast]

pete smith:
Did Guy ever fit the “headless wonder” in a Big J tractor unit? And then what crack pot would have a sleeper cab conversion on said unit?

Cav seems to have confirmed the availability of that option.Although that was just an example there might have been other possibilities of it starting life with one of the less attractive engine options.On the same note assuming a day cab also giving it a sleeper capability seems to fit the same logic as putting a more saleable motor in it.

[matt_watson]

Hi, Sorry to interrupt this thread again, but the possibility that an oil company could have purchased this mysterious vehicle has me intrigued .(I’ve been on fuel tankers 40 years now) As I said previously the only companies to run Guys on fuel were (SRS FORTH) you also had Andrew Hogg from Kilsyth and Dobson Edinburgh. P&O Glasgow. These companies all worked on the BP black oil contract from Grangemouth so they would not need to be full pet reg for black oil only. I can’t recall p&o having Guys in there fleet. Any of these companies would purchase a one off vehicle and get rid of it at the drop of a hat if it did not suit there needs.

[fergie47]

Just thinking…

There are not, considering the amount made, that many Guy Big J’s left, a few on the show circuit and a few parked up perhaps for renovation at a later date…bearing that in mind, just imagine owning one with the 8 cylinder in it, that would really be a show stopper !!!
I’m guessing that most Guys would have had the engines removed for export and the rest of the wagon crushed…by the time the BigJ’s had finished up their working lives they were worth next to nothing, the Europeans had a firm foothold in the UK by then, the Guy and the likes of, were now aging dinasors, and like them became extinct… via the crusher…
Dennis, still living his obsession with proof of a photo…but take it one step further, is there somewhere out there, lurking in some old barn under a tarp, a Guy 8LXB just waiting to be discovered.

[bewick]

Carryfast:

Saviem:
But then we come to dear old “Happy”, (John Yardley, and John May, down at Hoo Farm in Kidderminster…Chaddersley Commercials), and in “the day” Kidderminster was the centre of the used lorry trade in the UK…and if you wish to dispute that fact, then just look back at how “the trade” acquired their lorry stock…and the two John`s, (and later Robert Reynolds), really did act as a hub, clearing vast volumes of kit around the UK…then the export market was simply stunted, the home market was king !!!
.and dear Bewick…the two Johns were so busy making money, they could not afford to even wash their stock off…let alone swop bits around!!!

Assuming that Chaddersley had it before Evans and/or assuming it isn’t one of the Longton examples.It is possible that the previous owner had it converted assuming they were lumbered with an unsaleable non runner that started life as a 500 for example.

Steady on “CF” I really do think that your “fertile” imagination is running amok albeit with the best of intentions ! However I tend to think that “Saviems” line of thought with regard to the Ryland/Dobson ownership of such a beast for such a short time may be the answer to the mystery. But it remains to be seen as, when or if the original log book is produced. Cheers Bewick.

[bewick]

Fergie47:
Just thinking…

There are not, considering the amount made, that many Guy Big J’s left, a few on the show circuit and a few parked up perhaps for renovation at a later date…bearing that in mind, just imagine owning one with the 8 cylinder in it, that would really be a show stopper !!!
I’m guessing that most Guys would have had the engines removed for export and the rest of the wagon crushed…by the time the BigJ’s had finished up their working lives they were worth next to nothing, the Europeans had a firm foothold in the UK by then, the Guy and the likes of, were now aging dinasors, and like them became extinct… via the crusher…
Dennis, still living his obsession with proof of a photo…but take it one step further, is there somewhere out there, lurking in some old barn under a tarp, a Guy 8LXB just waiting to be discovered.

And continuing your train of thought Dave, if you had stayed at SOM you quite easily could have been allocated one of these mysterious Big J 8LXB’s as surely the odd one may have turned up in S’ampton, well at least for a day’s shunting then it would have disappeared back up the road on Trunk the same night ! Ah well! back on the Invincible to-morrow Oh! sorry Liz I must have “dropped off” is it time to get up ? Cheers Dennis.

[carryfast]

Bewick:

Carryfast:

Saviem:
But then we come to dear old “Happy”, (John Yardley, and John May, down at Hoo Farm in Kidderminster…Chaddersley Commercials), and in “the day” Kidderminster was the centre of the used lorry trade in the UK…and if you wish to dispute that fact, then just look back at how “the trade” acquired their lorry stock…and the two John`s, (and later Robert Reynolds), really did act as a hub, clearing vast volumes of kit around the UK…then the export market was simply stunted, the home market was king !!!
.and dear Bewick…the two Johns were so busy making money, they could not afford to even wash their stock off…let alone swop bits around!!!

Assuming that Chaddersley had it before Evans and/or assuming it isn’t one of the Longton examples.It is possible that the previous owner had it converted assuming they were lumbered with an unsaleable non runner that started life as a 500 for example.

Steady on “CF” I really do think that your “fertile” imagination is running amok albeit with the best of intentions ! However I tend to think that “Saviems” line of thought with regard to the Ryland/Dobson ownership of such a beast for such a short time may be the answer to the mystery. But it remains to be seen as, when or if the original log book is produced. Cheers Bewick.

On the basis of VALKYRIE’s info it would logically then be one of the Longton ones supplied and acting as the agent.As I said I hope the log book info turns up and matches any of VALKYRIE’s numbers.Because then the topic would have been brought to an unbelievable conclusion of a photo and matching the numbers.

[lawrence_dunbar]

Casual Observer:

Lawrence Dunbar:
Hi Dave I agree with you, Allthough it may have been owned by some one else when new, It has a Peebles Reg, Regards Larry.

Larry

DS was originally a Peebleshire Reg , until 1974
From 1974 DS was then a registration allocoted by Glasgow , until 2000/2001 .
It a now a Shrewsbury allocation .
At registration , on or after 1st August 1974 , GDS 427N would have been allocated by the Glasgow office .

Thanks for the Info C/O, Its nice to see its not only me that has an interest in Regs Etc, Regards Larry.

[gingerfold]

To answer the question about the “headless wonder” Leyland 500 being fitted in a Guy Big J. Such a model was certainly listed and I had a salesman’s chassis specification sheet in the 3 inches thick British Leyland specification bible I once had. It listed every group lorry model of the mid-1970s. Now was one of these ever built and sold…?

[pete_smith]

gingerfold:
To answer the question about the “headless wonder” Leyland 500 being fitted in a Guy Big J. Such a model was certainly listed and I had a salesman’s chassis specification sheet in the 3 inches thick British Leyland specification bible I once had. It listed every group lorry model of the mid-1970s. Now was one of these ever built and sold…?

Hi Gingerfold, There was Tolley’s in Grove street Wolverhampton had one possibly two six wheel rigid’s with the 500 fitted and one was parked in the garage unregistered but they got bought out by Sam Bowater,so I don’t know what happened to this motor, Trev H may be able to shed light on this as well as a unit fitted with a 500? Cheer’s Pete

[trev_h]

pete smith:

gingerfold:
To answer the question about the “headless wonder” Leyland 500 being fitted in a Guy Big J. Such a model was certainly listed and I had a salesman’s chassis specification sheet in the 3 inches thick British Leyland specification bible I once had. It listed every group lorry model of the mid-1970s. Now was one of these ever built and sold…?

Hi Gingerfold, There was Tolley’s in Grove street Wolverhampton had one possibly two six wheel rigid’s with the 500 fitted and one was parked in the garage unregistered but they got bought out by Sam Bowater,so I don’t know what happened to this motor, Trev H may be able to shed light on this as well as a unit fitted with a 500? Cheer’s Pete

Yes I saw several fitted with the 500, I think Guy’s had it forced upon them by Leyland they weren’t very popular with their reliability issues !
Most went into rigids , I have only ever seen a couple of tractor units with it fitted, the Tolley 6 legger Pete refered to still exsists, it’s painted all white on an N reg plate, I’ve seen it at Gaydon and other shows, I would imagine Dave the Renegrade has a photo of it somewhere.

[pete_smith]

Hi Trev, here is a picture Tolleys Guy ( not my pic ) I never knew it survived, Cheer’s Pete

[trev_h]

Hi Pete, I’m not sure that’s the one that survived (that one got painted in blue ) but I have a feeling the one that did got re- registered GDN —N ? but a hook loader identical to that !

[dave_the_renegade]

Spot on Trev. Gaydon Classic Commercial Vehicle Show 2010.

[pete_smith]

Dave the Renegade:

Spot on Trev. Gaydon Classic Commercial Vehicle Show 2010.

I am pretty sure it is the same motor Trev according to internet! Thank’s for the up to date photo Dave, Cheer’s Pete

[bewick]

pete smith:
Hi Trev, here is a picture Tolleys Guy ( not my pic ) I never knew it survived, Cheer’s Pete

So come on then what engine did this 6 wheeler have under the bonnet Cheers Bewick.

[carryfast]

Bewick:

pete smith:
Hi Trev, here is a picture Tolleys Guy ( not my pic ) I never knew it survived, Cheer’s Pete

So come on then what engine did this 6 wheeler have under the bonnet Cheers Bewick.

■■■■■■■ V6 or was it 8.I’m surprised that you didn’t buy up every dodgy engined Big J and fit them all with 8LXB boat anchors.

[bewick]

Carryfast:

Bewick:

pete smith:
Hi Trev, here is a picture Tolleys Guy ( not my pic ) I never knew it survived, Cheer’s Pete

So come on then what engine did this 6 wheeler have under the bonnet Cheers Bewick.

■■■■■■■ V6 or was it 8.I’m surprised that you didn’t buy up every dodgy engined Big J and fit them all with 8LXB boat anchors.

Here we go, here we go!!! at least it wouldn’t have had a poxy DD under the bonnet Bewick.

[carryfast]

Bewick:

Carryfast:

Bewick:
So come on then what engine did this 6 wheeler have under the bonnet Cheers Bewick.

■■■■■■■ V6 or was it 8.I’m surprised that you didn’t buy up every dodgy engined Big J and fit them all with 8LXB boat anchors.

Here we go, here we go!!! at least it wouldn’t have had a poxy DD under the bonnet Bewick.

To be fair that idea would have been better than the ■■■■■■■ and easier ( and cheaper ) to fit than the Gardner.

[marky]

That Big J6 has a Leyland 500 headless wonder in it.

[ew_car_truck_amp_bus]

No Joy with experian throwing any light on GDS427N i’m afraid, the record no longer existed!

E.W.