Bewick:
Anyhow where is the “Penkridge Pirate” aka Trev H when this thread is hotting up !!
Hotting up ? It’s about done ,Daves on the case !
Punchy Dan:
5thwheel:
windrush:
5thwheel:
Dave,don’t get confused**,■■■■■■■■ and bewick are the same**!!!David
Mmm, ‘Sweaty or Itchy Berwick’s’ doesn’t quite have the same ring to it but it will suffice I guess?
Pete.
Pete,
Check your spelling of Bewick,you don’t want the wrath of bollicky bill down on you!!!
David
Lol I made that mistake once ,Berwick that is ,ha ha .
So your dyslexic as well Dan ! 
Cheers Dennis.
Punchy Dan:
Bewick:
Anyhow where is the “Penkridge Pirate” aka Trev H when this thread is hotting up !!Hotting up ? It’s about done ,Daves on the case !
More like half baked !
Bewick:
Punchy Dan:
Bewick:
Anyhow where is the “Penkridge Pirate” aka Trev H when this thread is hotting up !!Hotting up ? It’s about done ,Daves on the case !
More like half baked !
I’m on the sidelines waiting for some truth to appear
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Do not assume anything Carryfast. That Guy Big J that Roy Edwards owner of M A Evans bought was an original build. He has run lorries since the 1950’s and does not make extravagant claims. He is a very successful businessman who doesn’t talk ■■■■■■■■ as Bewick makes claims about, if anyone dares to disagree with him.
Cheers Dave.On the basis of accepting VALKYRIE’s museum evidence at face value there never was any Gardner 8LXB sold new by the factory directly to any oil company only SOM or Longton.
Going by the advert I could though really understand and see the attraction in fitting a 500 powered desperation sale bought for peanuts with a Gardner 8XLB and laughing all the way to bank.
Roy Edwards who owns M A Evans was main Scania dealer for Mid Wales and Herefordshire before West Pennine took over the dealership and still rent one of his many premises. spoke to him earlier and that Guy was a genuine 8LXB from new. Les Sutton drove it for a few years and then Mike Holloway drove it.
Roy didn’t mention an oil company, his Son David told me that, but as he’s in his 50’s he probably got that wrong.
Roy is going to try and find the log book for it, he also said it could be traced via the number plate.
Cheers Dave.
Blimey I’m even more confused now.Who actually owned the thing at day 1.Was it a Scottish oil company or Evans or someone else.If VALKYRIE’s info is correct it could only have been supplied new by Longton assuming that Longton weren’t actually its first owner/operator.
In which case did Evans own it from new,supplied by Longton,before the Chaddersley advert appeared.
Or after the ad possibly bought from Chaddersley.Assuming the latter then the idea of it being something like a ( very ) cheap bought 500 converted to an 8XLB and then sold at an 8LXB price make most sense.Although that obviously isn’t what Chaddersley would have wanted it to sound like in the deal. 
Evening all,
Well, this lot will never stop…will it■■?
I can only recollect the one that I saw in Smiths yard, and I really never paid any attention to it…because 8LXBs were nothing special in their day…only now as us pathetic old fogies argue about things that we hardly remember!!!
I am intrigued about the two that supposedly went to Longton, at Stoke on Trent. Why? Because Longton were a major Guy Dealer, and also ran Longton Storage, and the export packers, (remember that exotic title), Knight and Riley, plus Bulk Storage et al. Longton also built rather good sleeper cab conversions on the Big J, some of which were used by Knight and Riley…but to my knowledge, and also “young” Richard Dale…never over an 8LXB. (Longton Group being a partnership between the Harp, and Dale families, and it was a considerable financial force in Stoke on Trent and beyond).
I totally agree with Matt Watson regarding Scottish Road Services, (Phillips Petroleum), and think that Elf would have not been the operator…
But then we come to dear old “Happy”, (John Yardley, and John May, down at Hoo Farm in Kidderminster…Chaddersley Commercials), and in “the day” Kidderminster was the centre of the used lorry trade in the UK…and if you wish to dispute that fact, then just look back at how “the trade” acquired their lorry stock…and the two John`s, (and later Robert Reynolds), really did act as a hub, clearing vast volumes of kit around the UK…then the export market was simply stunted, the home market was king !!!
I do not doubt Dave`s comments on the MA Evans lorry, nor would I ever doubt that family…but who owned her first of all…now that is the question that needs answering…could it have been Dobson of Edinburgh, a Ryland, (Birmingham), Group Company? Dobsons ran the first Detroit, (and only), Atkinson built for the UK market, and with the volume afforded by Ryland, (Fleet Hire, Dobsons), would have been attractive to Fallings Park. If the job went wrong, then “Happy” would have been there like a shot, and the prize would have been his…and if you doubt their ability to move fast…When PIE, (Pacific Intermountain Express), lost it regarding their Middle Eastern adventures…where did all those exotic DAFs end up…48 hrs before the “official announcement”…and dear Bewick…the two Johns were so busy making money, they could not afford to even wash their stock off…let alone swop bits around!!!
I cannot but smile, for if Hulme Robertson is looking down into these electronic gizzmoes, he must be laughing his head off…for Hulme, although running what was the largest ■■■■■■■ engine UK fleet, was a confirmed, and dedicated Gardner man…
But personally I am intrigued at the thought of an 8LXB in a 9ft 6in wheelbase chassis…must have been a trifle “busy”…even the Crisp ■■■■■■■ Big Js were 10ft plus!
A thought to ponder over a delightful Bollinger…
Cheerio for now.
It is appearing more likely the oil company info is a bit of a bum steer , .
It was apparently 6 months old , according to Dave .
If Longton were its first owner , or indeed Dobsons or Ryland as mentioned by Saviem above , would it have carried a Glasgow registration ?.
So , who would order , then wait for a 8LXB powered unit , then get shot of it after only 6 months ?
Just a quickie,
Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
Saviem:
But then we come to dear old “Happy”, (John Yardley, and John May, down at Hoo Farm in Kidderminster…Chaddersley Commercials), and in “the day” Kidderminster was the centre of the used lorry trade in the UK…and if you wish to dispute that fact, then just look back at how “the trade” acquired their lorry stock…and the two John`s, (and later Robert Reynolds), really did act as a hub, clearing vast volumes of kit around the UK…then the export market was simply stunted, the home market was king !!!
.and dear Bewick…the two Johns were so busy making money, they could not afford to even wash their stock off…let alone swop bits around!!!
Assuming that Chaddersley had it before Evans and/or assuming it isn’t one of the Longton examples.It is possible that the previous owner had it converted assuming they were lumbered with an unsaleable non runner that started life as a 500 for example.
Saviem:
Just a quickie,Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
It probably isn’t as simple as that.The reg documents are re issued updated with any modifications like a different engine type fit.
Saviem:
Just a quickie,Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
Roy Edwards thinks he still has the logbook for it John, he is going to try and find it for me to scan and post on here.
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Saviem:
Just a quickie,Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
Roy Edwards thinks he still has the logbook for it John, he is going to try and find it for me to scan and post on here.
Cheers Dave.
An answer to question did Evans own it before the Chaddersley advert or did they buy it after/from it,would help.Assuming the latter the log book would just show its engine spec and number after conversion obviously also being a different engine number to those in VALKYRIE’s list.Assuming the engine number matches any of his then bingo we’ve got an original factory built 8LXB photo.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Saviem:
Just a quickie,Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
Roy Edwards thinks he still has the logbook for it John, he is going to try and find it for me to scan and post on here.
Cheers Dave.An answer to question did Evans own it before the Chaddersley advert or did they buy it after/from it,would help.Assuming the latter the log book would just show its engine spec and number after conversion.
Roy Edwards owner of M A Evans bought the lorry off Chaddesley Commercials.Just wait and see instead of assuming things.
Hi Dave I agree with you, Allthough it may have been owned by some one else when new, It has a Peebles Reg, Regards Larry.
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Saviem:
Just a quickie,Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
Roy Edwards thinks he still has the logbook for it John, he is going to try and find it for me to scan and post on here.
Cheers Dave.An answer to question did Evans own it before the Chaddersley advert or did they buy it after/from it,would help.Assuming the latter the log book would just show its engine spec and number after conversion.
Roy Edwards owner of M A Evans bought the lorry off Chaddesley Commercials.Just wait and see instead of assuming things.
We know that according to VALKYRIE’s information there were only 29 built with all chassis/engine numbers of those accounted for.It is at least safe to assume that a match with any of those engine and/or chassis numbers would prove a factory built 8LXB Big J.I’m still betting that the wording ‘fitted’ in the ad was more likely to have been something like an unsaleable knackered dog of a 500 powered Big J fitted with an 8LXB conversion either by the previous owner or Chaddesley.Hopefully the log book info can be found to prove me wrong.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Hi Dave I agree with you, Allthough it may have been owned by some one else when new, It has a Peebles Reg, Regards Larry.
Larry
DS was originally a Peebleshire Reg , until 1974
From 1974 DS was then a registration allocoted by Glasgow , until 2000/2001 .
It a now a Shrewsbury allocation .
At registration , on or after 1st August 1974 , GDS 427N would have been allocated by the Glasgow office .
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Saviem:
Just a quickie,Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
Roy Edwards thinks he still has the logbook for it John, he is going to try and find it for me to scan and post on here.
Cheers Dave.An answer to question did Evans own it before the Chaddersley advert or did they buy it after/from it,would help.Assuming the latter the log book would just show its engine spec and number after conversion.
Roy Edwards owner of M A Evans bought the lorry off Chaddesley Commercials.Just wait and see instead of assuming things.
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We know that according to VALKYRIE’s information there were only 29 built with all chassis/engine numbers of those accounted for.It is at least safe to assume that a match with any of those engine and/or chassis numbers would prove a factory built 8LXB Big J.I’m still betting that the wording ‘fitted’ in the ad was more likely to have been something like an unsaleable knackered dog of a 500 powered Big J fitted with an 8LXB conversion either by the previous owner or Chaddesley.Hopefully the log book info can be found to prove me wrong.
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Carryfast did you ever visit Chaddesley Commercials at Hoobrook Trading Estate at Kidderminster. I did several times and never witnessed anyone swapping engines in any lorry. They along with Yardley and Robert Reynolds were busy Commercial vehicle dealers who had yards full of lorries. The only thing I saw then do was sell lorries.
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Saviem:
Just a quickie,Bill Whales Ryland Group were a very ruthless outfit…if the product would not fulfil their requirements…or even their staff…then they went PDQ!
But a very profitable outfit indeed!
Surely the M A Evans one`s history would be on its registration document?
Cheerio for now.
Roy Edwards thinks he still has the logbook for it John, he is going to try and find it for me to scan and post on here.
Cheers Dave.An answer to question did Evans own it before the Chaddersley advert or did they buy it after/from it,would help.Assuming the latter the log book would just show its engine spec and number after conversion.
Roy Edwards owner of M A Evans bought the lorry off Chaddesley Commercials.Just wait and see instead of assuming things.
We know that according to VALKYRIE’s information there were only 29 built with all chassis/engine numbers of those accounted for.It is at least safe to assume that a match with any of those engine and/or chassis numbers would prove a factory built 8LXB Big J.I’m still betting that the wording ‘fitted’ in the ad was more likely to have been something like an unsaleable knackered dog of a 500 powered Big J fitted with an 8LXB conversion either by the previous owner or Chaddesley.Hopefully the log book info can be found to prove me wrong.
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Carryfast did you ever visit Chaddesley Commercials at Hoobrook Trading Estate at Kidderminster. I did several times and never witnessed anyone swapping engines in any lorry. They along with Yardley and Robert Reynolds were busy Commercial vehicle dealers who had yards full of lorries. The only thing I saw then do was sell lorries.
Cheers Dave.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the previous owner says they want rid of an unreliable 500 powered heap and Chaddesley says no chance.But ‘if’ you can get a Gardner 8LXB put in it we might be interested. Having said that most sectors of the used motor trade by necessity had their own in house or sub contract workshop facilities to put unsaleable junk into decent saleable condition.Which obviously wouldn’t have been noticeable to punters in the sales area.
n answer to question did Evans own it before the Chaddersley advert or did they buy it after/from it,would help.Assuming the latter the log book would just show its engine spec and number after conversion.
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Roy Edwards owner of M A Evans bought the lorry off Chaddesley Commercials.Just wait and see instead of assuming things.
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We know that according to VALKYRIE’s information there were only 29 built with all chassis/engine numbers of those accounted for.It is at least safe to assume that a match with any of those engine and/or chassis numbers would prove a factory built 8LXB Big J.I’m still betting that the wording ‘fitted’ in the ad was more likely to have been something like an unsaleable knackered dog of a 500 powered Big J fitted with an 8LXB conversion either by the previous owner or Chaddesley.Hopefully the log book info can be found to prove me wrong.
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Carryfast did you ever visit Chaddesley Commercials at Hoobrook Trading Estate at Kidderminster. I did several times and never witnessed anyone swapping engines in any lorry. They along with Yardley and Robert Reynolds were busy Commercial vehicle dealers who had yards full of lorries. The only thing I saw then do was sell lorries.
Cheers Dave.
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as thinking more along the lines of the previous owner says they want rid of an unreliable 500 powered heap and Chaddesley says no chance.But ‘if’ you can get a Gardner 8LXB put in it we might be interested. Having said that most sectors of the used motor trade by necessity had their own in house or sub contract workshop facilities to put unsaleable junk into decent saleable condition.Which obviously wouldn’t have been noticeable to punters in the sales area.
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Chaddesley’s facilities were all in one block. Unless you have been there you can’t speculate that they were like the dealers in your neck of the woods.
Its a good job you are not a dog. You would end up biting your own tail 
Dave the Renegade:
n answer to question did Evans own it before the Chaddersley advert or did they buy it after/from it,would help.Assuming the latter the log book would just show its engine spec and number after conversion.
Roy Edwards owner of M A Evans bought the lorry off Chaddesley Commercials.Just wait and see instead of assuming things.
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We know that according to VALKYRIE’s information there were only 29 built with all chassis/engine numbers of those accounted for.It is at least safe to assume that a match with any of those engine and/or chassis numbers would prove a factory built 8LXB Big J.I’m still betting that the wording ‘fitted’ in the ad was more likely to have been something like an unsaleable knackered dog of a 500 powered Big J fitted with an 8LXB conversion either by the previous owner or Chaddesley.Hopefully the log book info can be found to prove me wrong.
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Carryfast did you ever visit Chaddesley Commercials at Hoobrook Trading Estate at Kidderminster. I did several times and never witnessed anyone swapping engines in any lorry. They along with Yardley and Robert Reynolds were busy Commercial vehicle dealers who had yards full of lorries. The only thing I saw then do was sell lorries.
Cheers Dave.
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as thinking more along the lines of the previous owner says they want rid of an unreliable 500 powered heap and Chaddesley says no chance.But ‘if’ you can get a Gardner 8LXB put in it we might be interested. Having said that most sectors of the used motor trade by necessity had their own in house or sub contract workshop facilities to put unsaleable junk into decent saleable condition.Which obviously wouldn’t have been noticeable to punters in the sales area.
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Chaddesley’s facilities were all in one block. Unless you have been there you can’t speculate that they were like the dealers in your neck of the woods.
Its a good job you are not a dog. You would end up biting your own tail
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Did Guy ever fit the “headless wonder” in a Big J tractor unit? And then what crack pot would have a sleeper cab conversion on said unit?