Surely someone on here has got some old commercial motors or looked online / searched the cm archives for one of these Guys for sale ?
Punchy Dan:
Surely someone on here has got some old commercial motors or looked online / searched the cm archives for one of these Guys for sale ?
A 240LXB “skateboard” now that would surely rank as a rare motor, only trouble being there would only be room for two pallets on the platform 
PS Small sheets all round ! Cheers Who ?
Bewick:
Punchy Dan:
Surely someone on here has got some old commercial motors or looked online / searched the cm archives for one of these Guys for sale ?A 240LXB “skateboard” now that would surely rank as a rare motor, only trouble being there would only be room for two pallets on the platform
Dennis hitlers revenge copied the 5lw which strangely is why they’re so good .p.s sheets ? What sheets ?
Punchy Dan:
Bewick:
Punchy Dan:
Surely someone on here has got some old commercial motors or looked online / searched the cm archives for one of these Guys for sale ?A 240LXB “skateboard” now that would surely rank as a rare motor, only trouble being there would only be room for two pallets on the platform
Dennis hitlers revenge copied the 5lw which strangely is why they’re so good .p.s sheets ? What sheets ?
My ■■■■■■■ head hurts, it really dose 
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Guy Big J4T Gardner 8LXB 240-250 4x2 Tractive Units.TruckNetUk.Old Time Lorries. Thursday,8th October,2015.
First of all,thanks to all those people who have supported me during this debate 
I have sent a further request for information to The British Commercial Vehicle Museum Archive Division,and a copy of this letter and Postal Order and Recorded Delivery documents are shown here:-
BCVM GUY BIG J LETTER TO BCVM PAGE 1 2-10-2015 :-
BCVM GUY BIG J LETTER TO BCVM PAGE 2 2-10-2015:-
BCVM GUY BIG J LETTER TO BCVM POSTAL ORDER AND RECORDED DELIVERY 2-10-2015:-
We will just have to wait and see what The British Commercial Vehicle Museum Archives can come up with
Meanwhile,I have sent an EMail to another museum in the hope that it can shed some light on Gardner 8LXB 240-250 Diesel Engine production,engine numbers,sales orders,engine allocations,etc. I await this museum’s reply.
And I might make contact with yet another museum for photocopies of some material… 
Watch this space …
Welcome home,Bewick I hope that you had a good holiday.
You still have not told me on how to pronounce your name: Berwick? Bee-wick? BUICK? as in the famous American motorcar marque,or whatever
Please explain.Thanks
VALKYRIE
Bewick:
Punchy Dan:
Bewick:
Punchy Dan:
Surely someone on here has got some old commercial motors or looked online / searched the cm archives for one of these Guys for sale ?A 240LXB “skateboard” now that would surely rank as a rare motor, only trouble being there would only be room for two pallets on the platform
Dennis hitlers revenge copied the 5lw which strangely is why they’re so good .p.s sheets ? What sheets ?
My [zb] head hurts, it really dose
Punchy Dan,small sheets is Dennis reference to small sheets required to cover the small skateboard load!!!yes I know crackers isn’t he!!!
David
Three 240LXB’s parked in the depot at Milnthorpe
Bewick:
But I recall quite clearly the former M.D. of Atkinson Lorries PTY of South Africa telling me in the early 70’s that Gardners advised the number of “pistons” that a particular manufacturer had been allocated and then said manufacturer ordered their engines in any configuration they wanted
That would explain it.They were all allocated in batches of 10 which left 8 pistons over for every 2 6 cylinder motors ordered.With ‘engine’ numbers actually just being based on piston production batches not engines. 
Can’t find anything about one being sold just that they were offerd in the Big J4T. From Commercial Motor Archives.
archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … tive-units
Chassis No. Engine No. Date
19520 186266 10/08/73
19521 186267 10/08/73
19535 186264 10/08/73
19542 186265 30/08/73
19573 186263 23/08/73
19817 190276 ■■/11/73 * 1
19818 190277 22/11/73
19889 190304 20/11/73
19892 190305 23/11/73
19931 190607 20/11/73
20099 190608 06/12/74 * 2
20239 190959 21/01/74
20241 190968 08/02/74
20399 191375 25/03/74
20400 191374 11/03/74
20473 191696 28/03/74
20677 193039 12/04/74 * 3
20678 192038 26/04/74
21002 192410 20/06/74
21003 192411 21/06/74
21261 193273 13/09/74
21263 193274 30/08/74
21470 193541 22/10/74
21473 193513 30/01/75
21564 193861 26/11/74
21572 193860 04/02/75
21765 194234 12/12/74
21815 192855 19/12/75
21988 192854 21/02/75
Notes
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1 , added a possible date of ■■/11/74 , going by chassis & engine no.
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2 , marked purely to question date of Dec .1974 .
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3 , marked purely to question engine no , should it be 192039 .
This list was rewritten from the one posted by Valkyrie , but arranged in ascending chassis no. , with dates .
A few observations & questions arise though .
In a post , on page 82 , which includes a scan , the option of an 8LXB engine was only available from Nov 1973 .
On the list above , 5 are included with a date of August 73 .
Also previously posted on this thread Gardner , in 1973 supplied Guy with 270 engines out of 1975 sold to vehicle builders , with a total sale of 2937 engines for that year .
In 1974 Guy had 298 engines from Gardner , who sold a total of 3479 engines , with 2434 of those going to vehicle manafacturers .
As 1975 can be dismissed , as only 3 chassis were either built or registered in that year , for '73 & '74 , Gardner sold a total of 6416 engines . The engine nos listed span 7968 , what was the method of engine numbering .
Big J production was 16000 , between 1964 & 78 . This is an average of 1066 a year over the 15 years , around 20 or so a week . Yet for an 18 month period, the chassis nos. supplied cover 2468 .
As can be seen from the list , there were 5 consecutive engine nos in Aug 73 , then all others are singles or pairs .
The engine nos mostly rise with chassis nos , as would normally be expected , but some dates appear a bit out of step , with some consecutive & chassis & engine nos .
Finally , the 2 highest chassis nos , appear to have engine nos a bit out of synch , on the low side 192■■■ , when 193■■■ & 194■■■ are listed immediately before then
My listing of chassis , engine nos & dates has appeared all squashed up , was not written like that . 
I don’t have a problem with non-consecutive chassis or engine numbers. Either were stored for various reasons, including cancelled or changed orders for engines / chassis. Indeed, the only Guy Big-J I ever drove was on an ‘S’ suffix plate with no power steering: and yes, it was believed to have been part of a cancelled order that was stored. ‘S’ plates came in long after production of Big-Js ceased. Robert
robert1952:
I don’t have a problem with non-consecutive chassis or engine numbers. Either were stored for various reasons, including cancelled or changed orders for engines / chassis. Indeed, the only Guy Big-J I ever drove was on an ‘S’ suffix plate with no power steering: and yes, it was believed to have been part of a cancelled order that was stored. ‘S’ plates came in long after production of Big-Js ceased. Robert
This one drives very nicely without power steering – the wheel is like a dustbin lid…
King of the road on a B plate! Its regular driver came off a newish Scania iirc… must’ve been in the boss’s bad books!
fryske:
robert1952:
I don’t have a problem with non-consecutive chassis or engine numbers. Either were stored for various reasons, including cancelled or changed orders for engines / chassis. Indeed, the only Guy Big-J I ever drove was on an ‘S’ suffix plate with no power steering: and yes, it was believed to have been part of a cancelled order that was stored. ‘S’ plates came in long after production of Big-Js ceased. RobertThis one drives very nicely without power steering – the wheel is like a dustbin lid…
King of the road on a B plate! Its regular driver came off a newish Scania iirc… must’ve been in the boss’s bad books!
That ‘dustbin lid’ steering wheel fell very comfortably indeed to the hands. I’d drive the one you picture tomorrow, given half a chance, partly because I know it has a 9-speed Fuller in it! Mine had a 6-speed David Brown. That Big-J in your picture is a very fine machine - it even has a sleeper cab. Robert
Just to confirm a couple of points raised. Firstly Gardner always recorded factory production as “cylinders” (pistons if you like), so production figures for actual engine cylinder configurations might not always tally. Obviously every individual engine that was despatched from Patricroft had its own comprehensive build sheet and these are now in the care of the Anson Engine Museum at Poynton. Secondly the British Leyland era chassis numbering system was standardised to a consecutive numbering system for daily production irrespective of the model being built. I.E. a Beaver tractive unit chassis number could be one digit different to Super Comet for example, with the model type in letters preceding the number. An order for 20 identical chassis would have apparently random chassis numbers.
Perhaps an email to Geoff at the Anson Museum may be the way to go, I am planning on attending myself at the end of the month for their finale’ but he is normally too busy getting everything running on that day to sort numbers through!
Pete.
VALKYRIE:
Guy Big J4T Gardner 8LXB 240-250 4x2 Tractive Units.TruckNetUk.Old Time Lorries. Thursday,8th October,2015.First of all,thanks to all those people who have supported me during this debate
I have sent a further request for information to The British Commercial Vehicle Museum Archive Division,and a copy of this letter and Postal Order and Recorded Delivery documents are shown here:-
BCVM GUY BIG J LETTER TO BCVM PAGE 1 2-10-2015 :-
BCVM GUY BIG J LETTER TO BCVM PAGE 2 2-10-2015:-
BCVM GUY BIG J LETTER TO BCVM POSTAL ORDER AND RECORDED DELIVERY 2-10-2015:-
We will just have to wait and see what The British Commercial Vehicle Museum Archives can come up with
Meanwhile,I have sent an EMail to another museum in the hope that it can shed some light on Gardner 8LXB 240-250 Diesel Engine production,engine numbers,sales orders,engine allocations,etc. I await this museum’s reply.
And I might make contact with yet another museum for photocopies of some material…
Watch this space
Welcome home,Bewick
You still have not told me on how to pronounce your name: Berwick? Bee-wick? BUICK? as in the famous American motorcar marque,or whatever
Please explain.ThanksVALKYRIE
Windrush
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Perhaps an email to Geoff at the Anson Museum may be the way to go, I am planning on attending myself at the end of the month for their finale’ but he is normally too busy getting everything running on that day to sort numbers through!
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That is what Valkyrie has already done …
Ah, didn’t realise that Pete as he didn’t actually name the museum. That should confirm engine types at least then.
Pete.
Fodenfan:
Can’t find anything about one being sold just that they were offerd in the Big J4T. From Commercial Motor Archives.
archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … tive-units
There’s a classic lorry gathering at Donington park soon if I go I will scouer the back pages of the old CM’s for sale .