robert1952:
One Sunday afternoon a small group will clear the brambles and rubble from the rotting doors of a barn and gain entry. Shafts of sunlight will penetrate the gloom. In the corner will be an old tractor unit covered by an ancient fly-sheet. In the settling dust, two things will be established: firstly, that there is no engine in the Guy Big-J revealed;
Some say it went along the lines of large amounts of free alcohol being involved in order to offload the only one ever built.The owner then cancelled the order in favour of a ■■■■■■■ when he’d sobered up.To which Leyland Group said you either take it as it is or without an engine.The owner then said fine stuff the engine I’ll take it without one and leave it in the garage.
Trev_H:
I’m not adamant there was never one built,
just that I went in Guy’s on a regular basis and never saw one, I went to Tech college with Guy apprentices and knew people that worked on production that couldn’t give an answer to the question.
I am not saying they never built one, I just find it odd that no one has a conclusive picture and there is no factory publications or press details on such a model, there are those that say they have driven them, I don’t disbelieve this at all but I believe they could never have built very many, perhaps a few experimental ones, there would otherwise be more evidence of their existence.
Still it’s produced a few laughs along the way
You backwatering waverer Trev!! Cheers Dennis.
I think we’ve been out gunned on this Dennis and now some lunatic has gone and built one, the answer will now always be in Google images
“Yow am” knows Trev and so do I it is most unlikely that Guy Motors ever built more than one 8LXB chassis, if that, and don’t you think if this had been the case both you and the Guy apprentices would have been full of it !!Unless ,of course, you Lads were more interested in the Birds down the coffee bar and not what you should have been interested in i.e. “Bloody hell lads they’ve built an 8LXB chassis at Fallings Park” everybodie’s full of it !! Surely for a few moments you lads would have forgot about “the skirt” and discussed this fantastic motor ! But no, so as far as I’m concerned it is very debatable if there ever was such a beast built. Cheers Dennis.
robert1952:
One Sunday afternoon a small group will clear the brambles and rubble from the rotting doors of a barn and gain entry. Shafts of sunlight will penetrate the gloom. In the corner will be an old tractor unit covered by an ancient fly-sheet. In the settling dust, two things will be established: firstly, that there is no engine in the Guy Big-J revealed;
Some say it went along the lines of large amounts of free alcohol being involved in order to offload the only one ever built.The owner then cancelled the order in favour of a ■■■■■■■ when he’d sobered up.To which Leyland Group said you either take it as it is or without an engine.The owner then said fine stuff the engine I’ll take it without one and leave it in the garage.
Constructive comments only “CF” and make sure that they support my argument or I will be duty bound to take exception with your posts which I have dutifully avoided doing so over previous years Cheers Bewick.
robert1952:
One Sunday afternoon a small group will clear the brambles and rubble from the rotting doors of a barn and gain entry. Shafts of sunlight will penetrate the gloom. In the corner will be an old tractor unit covered by an ancient fly-sheet. In the settling dust, two things will be established: firstly, that there is no engine in the Guy Big-J revealed;
Some say it went along the lines of large amounts of free alcohol being involved in order to offload the only one ever built.The owner then cancelled the order in favour of a ■■■■■■■ when he’d sobered up.To which Leyland Group said you either take it as it is or without an engine.The owner then said fine stuff the engine I’ll take it without one and leave it in the garage.
Some say he took it & fitted a Detroit to show the world the future…
robert1952:
One Sunday afternoon a small group will clear the brambles and rubble from the rotting doors of a barn and gain entry. Shafts of sunlight will penetrate the gloom. In the corner will be an old tractor unit covered by an ancient fly-sheet. In the settling dust, two things will be established: firstly, that there is no engine in the Guy Big-J revealed; secondly, that the underside of the fly-sheet bears an imprint of the rear end of an 8LXB - just like the Turin Shroud! But, does the imprint belong to the Guy or does it belong to a previous unit covered by the fly-sheet? One can’t help noticing too, that the flysheet has Bewick printed across it. The mystery deepens and the thick plottens! Robert
Very [zb] funny Robert Alex and James Smith had sold SOM to United Transport Group long before the 8LXB engine was produced and no way would UT sanction capital expenditure which included a hefty surcharge to that applied to the big Gardner, particularly on such a basic fleet motor as a Guy Big J and in any case it is more than extremely doubtful that Leyland would have allowed Guy Motors to supply such an engine if indeed Gardner had been able to supply the “Phantom 40”.Cheers Bewick.
My pleasure, Dennis. I rather thought you’d be tickled with the implication that you might be involved! Personally, I can’t understand what the fuss is about when we know that (allegedly) ■■■■■■■ NTC 335s were spooned into Pickfords Big-Js and possibly others too! Let’s fast-track to the (then) massive ■■■■■■■ Guys, guys! Robert
robert1952:
One Sunday afternoon a small group will clear the brambles and rubble from the rotting doors of a barn and gain entry. Shafts of sunlight will penetrate the gloom. In the corner will be an old tractor unit covered by an ancient fly-sheet. In the settling dust, two things will be established: firstly, that there is no engine in the Guy Big-J revealed; secondly, that the underside of the fly-sheet bears an imprint of the rear end of an 8LXB - just like the Turin Shroud! But, does the imprint belong to the Guy or does it belong to a previous unit covered by the fly-sheet? One can’t help noticing too, that the flysheet has Bewick printed across it. The mystery deepens and the thick plottens! Robert
Very [zb] funny Robert Alex and James Smith had sold SOM to United Transport Group long before the 8LXB engine was produced and no way would UT sanction capital expenditure which included a hefty surcharge to that applied to the big Gardner, particularly on such a basic fleet motor as a Guy Big J and in any case it is more than extremely doubtful that Leyland would have allowed Guy Motors to supply such an engine if indeed Gardner had been able to supply the “Phantom 40”.Cheers Bewick.
My pleasure, Dennis. I rather thought you’d be tickled with the implication that you might be involved! Personally, I can’t understand what the fuss is about when we know that (allegedly) ■■■■■■■ NTC 335s were spooned into Pickfords Big-Js and possibly others too! Let’s fast-track to the (then) massive ■■■■■■■ Guys, guys! Robert
Trev H will be able to tell us more about “Big ■■■■■■■■ in Guy Big J’s Robert,and I believe that SOM had a 6 wheel double drive Big J with the big ■■■■■■■ engine for their heavy haulage work, there is a photo on the thread of it coupled to a Highway tandem axle trailer. Cheers Dennis.
robert1952:
My pleasure, Dennis. I rather thought you’d be tickled with the implication that you might be involved! Personally, I can’t understand what the fuss is about when we know that (allegedly) ■■■■■■■ NTC 335s were spooned into Pickfords Big-Js and possibly others too! Let’s fast-track to the (then) massive ■■■■■■■ Guys, guys! Robert
Loved the story Robert. Ummm… Not wanting to be picky or anything… and I know ■■■■■■■ is American… But shouldn’t that be ‘chaps!’ ?
They did indeed fit 290/335 ■■■■■■■ (280 Rolls also) we had them on BRS and Pickfords but they also fitted 350/375’s in 4 & 8 wheeler sleeper drawbar chassis for export.
The 6 wheel double drive units they made were usually powered by 250 ■■■■■■■ (the SOM one was).
Some other oddities they produced were powered by Perkins 540 V8’s , Leyland 500 fixed heads and various AEC engines !
robert1952:
One Sunday afternoon a small group will clear the brambles and rubble from the rotting doors of a barn and gain entry. Shafts of sunlight will penetrate the gloom. In the corner will be an old tractor unit covered by an ancient fly-sheet. In the settling dust, two things will be established: firstly, that there is no engine in the Guy Big-J revealed; secondly, that the underside of the fly-sheet bears an imprint of the rear end of an 8LXB - just like the Turin Shroud! But, does the imprint belong to the Guy or does it belong to a previous unit covered by the fly-sheet? One can’t help noticing too, that the flysheet has Bewick printed across it. The mystery deepens and the thick plottens! Robert
Very [zb] funny Robert Alex and James Smith had sold SOM to United Transport Group long before the 8LXB engine was produced and no way would UT sanction capital expenditure which included a hefty surcharge to that applied to the big Gardner, particularly on such a basic fleet motor as a Guy Big J and in any case it is more than extremely doubtful that Leyland would have allowed Guy Motors to supply such an engine if indeed Gardner had been able to supply the “Phantom 40”.Cheers Bewick
My pleasure, Dennis. I rather thought you’d be tickled with the implication that you might be involved! Personally, I can’t understand what the fuss is about when we know that (allegedly) ■■■■■■■ NTC 335s were spooned into Pickfords Big-Js and possibly others too! Let’s fast-track to the (then) massive ■■■■■■■ Guys, guys! Robert
Trev H will be able to tell us more about “Big ■■■■■■■■ in Guy Big J’s Robert,and I believe that SOM had a 6 wheel double drive Big J with the big ■■■■■■■ engine for their heavy haulage work, there is a photo on the thread of it coupled to a Highway tandem axle trailer. Cheers Dennis.
Dennis,you are incorrect,the 6x4 you refer to was a 220 ■■■■■■■ engined unit,one of 3 that SoM had in Maddiston,if you check the registration numbers of the units,I think you will find that they predate the release of the ■■■■■■■ 335.
robert1952:
One Sunday afternoon a small group will clear the brambles and rubble from the rotting doors of a barn and gain entry. Shafts of sunlight will penetrate the gloom. In the corner will be an old tractor unit covered by an ancient fly-sheet. In the settling dust, two things will be established: firstly, that there is no engine in the Guy Big-J revealed;
Some say it went along the lines of large amounts of free alcohol being involved in order to offload the only one ever built.The owner then cancelled the order in favour of a ■■■■■■■ when he’d sobered up.To which Leyland Group said you either take it as it is or without an engine.The owner then said fine stuff the engine I’ll take it without one and leave it in the garage.
Constructive comments only “CF” and make sure that they support my argument or I will be duty bound to take exception with your posts which I have dutifully avoided doing so over previous years Cheers Bewick.
Your argument is safe there Bewick.Because it’s obvious that although the thing might have had the only 8 LXB fitted in a Big J it was then removed on the orders of the customer before it left the factory gates. To the point where the customer preferred to hide the engine less mistake under a sheet until it was recently found.
Bewick:
Has anyone ever built one,sold one when new,repaired one,DRIVEN one,or at least seen one or possibly got a photo (side view) showing the 8 potter sticking out the rear of the cab .
Congratulations Mr. Bewick- 100 pages. Your musings have spawned one of the most enthusiastically-received threads on any old lorry forum, anywhere in the world.
robert1952:
My pleasure, Dennis. I rather thought you’d be tickled with the implication that you might be involved! Personally, I can’t understand what the fuss is about when we know that (allegedly) ■■■■■■■ NTC 335s were spooned into Pickfords Big-Js and possibly others too! Let’s fast-track to the (then) massive ■■■■■■■ Guys, guys! Robert
Loved the story Robert. Ummm… Not wanting to be picky or anything… and I know ■■■■■■■ is American… But shouldn’t that be ‘chaps!’ ?
VALKYRIE:
Wednesday,26th August,2015
TruckNetUK. Old Time Lorries.
Guy Big J4T Gardner 8LXB 240-250 Tractive Units.
Hopefully,all will be revealed soon!
Yes.Because I’ve acquired “some worth it’s weight in Gold information”,which I am expecting to receive soon.
The blue Guy Big J4T 4x2 Tractive Unit,with a Gardner 8LXB 240 Engine,PWK 914M,owned by Wall,at the Leyland Rally,Sunday,23rd August,2015,is this one:-
DVLA information.
New keepers must get tax before using the vehicle.
If you have taxed, made a SORN or had a MOT it can take up to 5 days for these details to be shown above.
Vehicle details
Vehicle make :GUY
Date of first registration :25 June 1974
Cylinder capacity (cc) :0cc
CO₂Emissions :Not available
Fuel type IESEL
Vehicle status :Not taxed
Vehicle colour :BLUE
Vehicle type approval :Not available
Wheelplan :2 AXLE + ARTIC
Revenue weight :Not available
Alas! The cubic capacity of the engine is not given…It should be 13.93 litres…if this Guy lorry is powered by a Gardner 8LXB 240 8-cylinder
straight eight diesel engine…
All I’m saying at the moment is this:-If PWK 914M is an original and complete Guy factory-produced Guy Big J4T Gardner 8LXB 240-engined 4x2 Tractive Unit,it is one of far less than 40 Gardner 8LXB 240-engined Guy Big J tractive units which were actually indeed built by Guy Motors!!!
I’ve been saying all along that Guy Motors produced Guy Big J Gardner 8LXB 240-250 -engined tractive units… And now that has been confirmed.
Watch this space!
VALKYRIE.
Come on Valkyrie,we are “watching this space”,just as you have suggested!
I still can’t understand why Bewick is continuing to deny the existence of the 240-engined Big Js. Having re-engined a considerable number of the inferior ■■■■■■■ powered originals for those gullible Smith chaps from Maddiston when new, you would think that he would be keen to supply some of the remaining barn-full as replacements for the many Guys in preservation. It would seem that the intervening years have proved beyond doubt that the 8-pot Gardner was indeed the superior engine as the emissions from that dirty ■■■■■■■ lump are said to have hastened the ingress of tin worm to the vehicles to which they were fitted. In case any of us have forgotten due to the passage of time, this was the reason why ■■■■■■■ users such as Foden and ERF were forced into using plastics in their cabs. For further proof please note what happened to Bedford TMs after they were fitted with ■■■■■■■ engines.
Retired Old ■■■■:
I still can’t understand why Bewick is continuing to deny the existence of the 240-engined Big Js. Having re-engined a considerable number of the inferior ■■■■■■■ powered originals for those gullible Smith chaps from Maddiston when new, you would think that he would be keen to supply some of the remaining barn-full as replacements for the many Guys in preservation. It would seem that the intervening years have proved beyond doubt that the 8-pot Gardner was indeed the superior engine as the emissions from that dirty ■■■■■■■ lump are said to have hastened the ingress of tin worm to the vehicles to which they were fitted. In case any of us have forgotten due to the passage of time, this was the reason why ■■■■■■■ users such as Foden and ERF were forced into using plastics in their cabs. For further proof please note what happened to Bedford TMs after they were fitted with ■■■■■■■ engines.
Now then ROF you have started talking Bollox similar to that of my Pal from Leatherhead, have you been sat in the shed on the 'lotment to-day supping Poteen brewed from the tatties you claim to grow . Bewick.
My pleasure, Dennis. I rather thought you’d be tickled with the implication that you might be involved! Personally, I can’t understand what the fuss is about when we know that (allegedly) ■■■■■■■ NTC 335s were spooned into Pickfords Big-Js and possibly others too! Let’s fast-track to the (then) massive ■■■■■■■ Guys, guys! Robert
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Trev H will be able to tell us more about “Big ■■■■■■■■ in Guy Big J’s Robert,and I believe that SOM had a 6 wheel double drive Big J with the big ■■■■■■■ engine for their heavy haulage work, there is a photo on the thread of it coupled to a Highway tandem axle trailer. Cheers Dennis.
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Dennis,you are incorrect,the 6x4 you refer to was a 220 ■■■■■■■ engined unit,one of 3 that SoM had in Maddiston,if you check the registration numbers of the units,I think you will find that they predate the release of the ■■■■■■■ 335.
David
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David the 335 ■■■■■■■ was in service before the Big J came out, Wynns had the first contractors on a D plate and I am certain they did not have the turbo charged version to start with which would be the ■■■■■■■ 335 as Pickfords had the turbo charged version at 380 on a E plate. R.K. Crisp also had some Big J s with the 335 ■■■■■■■ which I am sure were a cancelled export order but thay were on a J or K plate
cheers Johnnie
sammyopisite:
My pleasure, Dennis. I rather thought you’d be tickled with the implication that you might be involved! Personally, I can’t understand what the fuss is about when we know that (allegedly) ■■■■■■■ NTC 335s were spooned into Pickfords Big-Js and possibly others too! Let’s fast-track to the (then) massive ■■■■■■■ Guys, guys! Robert
Trev H will be able to tell us more about “Big ■■■■■■■■ in Guy Big J’s Robert,and I believe that SOM had a 6 wheel double drive Big J with the big ■■■■■■■ engine for their heavy haulage work, there is a photo on the thread of it coupled to a Highway tandem axle trailer. Cheers Dennis.
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Dennis,you are incorrect,the 6x4 you refer to was a 220 ■■■■■■■ engined unit,one of 3 that SoM had in Maddiston,if you check the registration numbers of the units,I think you will find that they predate the release of the ■■■■■■■ 335.
David
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David the 335 ■■■■■■■ was in service before the Big J came out, Wynns had the first contractors on a D plate and I am certain they did not have the turbo charged version to start with which would be the ■■■■■■■ 335 as Pickfords had the turbo charged version at 380 on a E plate. R.K. Crisp also had some Big J s with the 335 ■■■■■■■ which I am sure were a cancelled export order but thay were on a J or K plate
cheers Johnnie
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I bow to your superior knowledge of the ■■■■■■■ 335 Johnnie,however,I do know the size of the 3 Guys Dennis is making reference to,and all 3 were definitely 220’s,1 of them had a Deep Reduction air switch and a Jacobs brake.
Retired Old ■■■■:
The Right Honourable member for ■■■■■■■ has forced me to plead the fifth amendment.
Pash the flagon, pal.
Hick!
Bang to rights, clang !
P S do you just use the peelings to make the brew after you’ve made the chips ROF, " waste not want not " as the old lady said when she ■■■■■■ into the sea, or the Forrest if you are from Gloucestershire !
Who is the “contender” for the accolade of “beating this dead horse” thread up to 100 pages without even a “sniff” of an authentic original shot !! Cheers Bewick.
Cheers Dennis.
IESEL