You would have got a more sensible reply from Judy than you will from Village
Nice reply Buzzer , i remember my dad getting a F86 after his 10 year old Mandator which had done more miles than the space shuttle fell ill and required and got new pistons and liners.He thought he’d won the pools (remember them?) Power steering radio quiet cab heater no draughts 8 speed synchro box (slow change) . He did say it didn’t pull any better than the Mandator but he preffered it.22 ton payload on both but usually a little more.They were both very sad going over the M62 to Ramsbottom
Now obviously not Bewick fleet engineer.
The ERF A series 240 Gardner chassis, measures 9’6’’ wheelbase + bleedin 4’6’’ front overhang.
You do know what both measurements actually mean and their total when combined ?.
It’s the latter measurements which determine the distance between the radiator and the drive axle not the bleedin former.
The extra 1’ 2’’ that provides over 3’ 4’’ is exactly the same as the extra 1’2’’ provided by the 10’ 8’’ wheelbase of the 240 Gardner Atki.
Good luck with trying to use the 3’4’’ front overhang and 9’6’’ wheelbase of the 220 Cummins/180 Gardner A series chassis to fit the 240.
Obviously your idea of ‘identical’ won’t make that bleedin long straight 8 motor and gearbox and propshaft assembly fit any easier.
Now maybe CAV can provide the exact front overhang measurement of the purported 9’6’’ wheelbase 240 BigJ.
I actually said the DAF 85/95 synchro box was a good, if not the best, ‘synchro box’.I didn’t say that I preferred it to a constant mesh box.
Don’t let the facts stand in the way of your personal hate campaign which started because I called an AEC design failure spade a spade.
The topic is all about ordering and fitting a Gardner 8LXB and Fuller box in a 9’6’’ wheelbase BigJ.
Lets keep it to that.
The maths suggest it couldn’t happen.
Unless anyone can show any relevant measurements, for the BigJ, which would match the A series chassis combined wheelbase and front overhang measurement.
You seem to have conveniently left out the numerous 3’4’’ front overhang A series chassis.Predictably none of which are listed with the 8 LXB option.Let’s be clear the front overhang is obviously in ‘addition’ to the wheelbase, for the purposes of fitting an 8 LXB and Fuller and propshaft between the radiator and drive axle input.
It’s not ruined the thread to provide the reasons why they probably couldn’t fit the 8 LXB in the 9’6’’ wheelbase BigJ.
As opposed to the ERF A series with the same wheelbase.But obviously with more distance between the radiator and the rear axle added to that wheelbase measurement.
But which you erroneously call a ‘set back’ front axle.
As you said yourself there are numerous types of A series chassis and the one which accommodates the 8LXB clearly has a longer front overhang added to the wheelbase.
If they ‘set back’ the front axle then by definition they also ‘set back’ the rear axle too so as to maintain the same bleedin wheelbase.Either way the result is over an extra foot between the radiator and the rear axle.
It’s actually 4’6’’ + 9’6’’ as opposed to 3’4’’ + 9’6’’ .Nothing to do with a ‘set back’ front axle.
Its a longer front over hang beyond the front axle the wheelbase stays the same.Which means it can accommodate a longer engine because it’s a longer chassis overall between the radiator to the rear axle.
Get real. CF. Set-back is an expression we use to differentiate between the forward positioned version of the cab and the rearward version: we all know the actual axle isn’t set back otherwise it’d have the WB of a peddle car.
See my answer above.
That 7MW-cabbed NGC is a red herring, buzzer. It is a newer design those under discussion, it had a longer wheelbase option and none was ever sold with an 8LXB in it (although they were originally offered on paper).
Chaps, I live a busy, interesting a vibrant active retirement. I’ve got far better things to do than read the rantings of the Loon. So I’m bowing off this thread. Bon weekend!
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Ramone my first artic was a Mandator with 680 engine, never kept that a month absolutely gutless then I got a Mammoth minor with AV760 what a good motor that was, I had the second steer axle taken out as I was on round timber and when off road it was like a seesaw no traction so ended up with a long wheelbase Mandator I suppose, bought from an OD who was on for Frigoscandia, Buzzer
Here is my Mammoth Minor bought second hand.
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Well Buzzer you missed a trick there.If you made it into a lwb by removing the second steer you could have put a Gardner 240 in it.I’m sure someone on here would have advised you.Your first Mandator , was it an eary tilt cab or the MKV .I know the very first tilt cabs had the AV691
That looks well Buzzer
I’m guessing that ain’t a 9 speed Fuller bolted to that Gardner motor and obviously no fan and pulley assembly ?.
Then it needs a radiator and clearance in front of it and a propshaft behind it.
Then we can start measuring the gap that we need between the radiator and drive axle input flange to fit it.
It’s the gap between your earholes that needs measuring CF because it’s debateable that there is any space even for your peanut brain ! 
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We’ll need an engineer’s micrometer for that. 
I would rather be in a decent Routiers right now to indulge in full fat butter, jam and freshly baked croissants then dip my croissant in to a strong French americano coffee, if you ask for milk they go bananas, the customary shrugging of the shoulders, the eye rolling and a flouncing off by a surly waitress or a grumpy waiter.
It’s even worse in Paris for rudeness.