mikeyb:
Incase anyopne is interested.Ref the meteor / merlin / griffon engine cars.
Theres a very nice chap who writes for Practical Performance Car who has shoved one into a Rover SD1. Impressed? I AM!!
Which all proves that the Brits can make the best spark ignition engines and the yanks can make the best Diesels.But bewick would say that all of us who think so are nutters and he probably would have lost the war by fitting a Gardner in the Spitfire. 
Carryfast:
mikeyb:
Incase anyopne is interested.Ref the meteor / merlin / griffon engine cars.
Theres a very nice chap who writes for Practical Performance Car who has shoved one into a Rover SD1. Impressed? I AM!!
Which all proves that the Brits can make the best spark ignition engines and the yanks can make the best Diesels.But bewick would say that all of us who think so are nutters and he probably would have lost the war by fitting a Gardner in the Spitfire.
Hiya Carrfast well at least I wouldn’t still be on the beach at Dunkirk fighting the Jerry’s !! Do you never give up !!! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
mikeyb:
Incase anyopne is interested.Ref the meteor / merlin / griffon engine cars.
Theres a very nice chap who writes for Practical Performance Car who has shoved one into a Rover SD1. Impressed? I AM!!
Which all proves that the Brits can make the best spark ignition engines and the yanks can make the best Diesels.But bewick would say that all of us who think so are nutters and he probably would have lost the war by fitting a Gardner in the Spitfire.
Hiya Carrfast well at least I wouldn’t still be on the beach at Dunkirk fighting the Jerry’s !! Do you never give up !!! Cheers Bewick.
That’s what he said we will never surrender it’s just a shame that Gardner engines could’nt do much to help your war effort I could’nt find any Gardner 8LXB videos posted on there to beat the Rolls and Detroit walkover.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
mikeyb:
Incase anyopne is interested.Ref the meteor / merlin / griffon engine cars.
Theres a very nice chap who writes for Practical Performance Car who has shoved one into a Rover SD1. Impressed? I AM!!
Which all proves that the Brits can make the best spark ignition engines and the yanks can make the best Diesels.But bewick would say that all of us who think so are nutters and he probably would have lost the war by fitting a Gardner in the Spitfire.
Hiya Carrfast well at least I wouldn’t still be on the beach at Dunkirk fighting the Jerry’s !! Do you never give up !!! Cheers Bewick.
That’s what he said we will never surrender it’s just a shame that Gardner engines could’nt do much to help your war effort
Hiya Carryfast I can tell you that Gardner engines were used in hundreds of applications during the war ! Do the research and you will soon find out that they were used in every thing from fire pumps , MTBs , armoured vehicles and many other things !! just because they wern’t suitable for fighter aircraft didn’t mean they never gave indispensible war service!! Put it this way Carryfast I’f I’d been a commando waiting to be snatched off the beach i’d have been a lot happier knowing that a Gardner powered MTB was comming for me than CAPt. Carryfast in his wind and P**s DDs who may or may not get there never mind make it back !! I think it might have been a case of "handy’s up Englander " Jawol ! has Capt. Carryfast let you down again mien herr Ja Ja Tommy !!Cheers Bewick.
Winston Churchill 
said to Anthony Eden 
in 1945,who can we get to stop Hitler 
,quick as a flash Eden 
replied " Bewick and Carryfast " What can they do says Winnie. " Bewick has got his Gardner engined tank, and Carryfast has his Detroit engined flying fortress,between the two of them they will have the Hun on the run",declared Eden. 
Nuff said was the reply from Winnie send for those fine fellows.
Dave the Renegade:
Winston Churchill
Don’t you just love it Renegade !!! But to Carryfast and me its a deadly serious discussion even if Carryfast is always wide of the mark you have to persevere with him as one day he may just see the error of his way’s and admitt to being a complete T**t !! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
Winston ChurchillDon’t you just love it Renegade !!! But to Carryfast and me its a deadly serious discussion even if Carryfast is always wide of the mark you have to persevere with him as one day he may just see the error of his way’s and admitt to being a complete T**t !! Cheers Dennis.
Serious discussion my arse,you two are like a couple of herring gulls scrapping over a peice of fish,but to be fair,you ain’t half kept this debate going.
Cheers Dave.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
mikeyb:
Incase anyopne is interested.Ref the meteor / merlin / griffon engine cars.
Theres a very nice chap who writes for Practical Performance Car who has shoved one into a Rover SD1. Impressed? I AM!!
Which all proves that the Brits can make the best spark ignition engines and the yanks can make the best Diesels.But bewick would say that all of us who think so are nutters and he probably would have lost the war by fitting a Gardner in the Spitfire.
Hiya Carrfast well at least I wouldn’t still be on the beach at Dunkirk fighting the Jerry’s !! Do you never give up !!! Cheers Bewick.
That’s what he said we will never surrender it’s just a shame that Gardner engines could’nt do much to help your war effort
Hiya Carryfast I can tell you that Gardner engines were used in hundreds of applications during the war ! Do the research and you will soon find out that they were used in every thing from fire pumps , MTBs , armoured vehicles and many other things !! just because they wern’t suitable for fighter aircraft didn’t mean they never gave indispensible war service!! Put it this way Carryfast I’f I’d been a commando waiting to be snatched off the beach i’d have been a lot happier knowing that a Gardner powered MTB was comming for me than CAPt. Carryfast in his wind and P**s DDs who may or may not get there never mind make it back !! I think it might have been a case of "handy’s up Englander " Jawol ! has Capt. Carryfast let you down again mien herr Ja Ja Tommy !!Cheers Bewick.
Bewick I know enough about history to know that the MTB’s in WW2 were fitted with 3 Merlins not Gardners.But if you’d have been going the other way on D Day you’d probably have been in a landing craft powered by Detroit Diesels. 
Dave the Renegade:
Winston Churchill
Dave that would have been the worst of all worlds because the only hope they had of surviving with a Sherman was using either it’s petrol radial aero engine or the optional Detroit Diesel to get the hell out of the way quick before the Germans shot holes through it with a petrol engined Tiger. and a diesel engined flying fortress would’nt have been able to carry any bombs because it would have been too gutless with the Detroits available at the time and too heavy anyway to get off the ground empty However the Mosquito could carry the same bombload as the Flying Fortress with just two Merlins. Having said all that the best Allied tank of WW2 was the Comet and that had a Meteor in it just like the Centurion.However if I had been there they would have had the Comet in 1940 not 1945.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Winston ChurchillDave that would have been the worst of all worlds because the only hope they had of surviving with a Sherman was using either it’s petrol radial aero engine or the optional Detroit Diesel to get the hell out of the way quick before the Germans shot holes through it with a petrol engined Tiger.
Yes sir Leutent General Carryfast !!! or should it be Sturmbanfurer Carryfast ? You seem to know a lot about the enemy tanks and I would love to get you banged up in the Tower as a traitor even after all these years I’m sure we could make something stick !! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Winston ChurchillDave that would have been the worst of all worlds because the only hope they had of surviving with a Sherman was using either it’s petrol radial aero engine or the optional Detroit Diesel to get the hell out of the way quick before the Germans shot holes through it with a petrol engined Tiger.
Yes sir Leutent General Carryfast !!! or should it be Sturmbanfurer Carryfast ? You seem to know a lot about the enemy tanks and I would love to get you banged up in the Tower as a traitor even after all these years I’m sure we could make something stick !! Cheers Bewick.
That’s a bit unfair Bewick because two of those Comets which I’d have got built in 1940 would probably have stopped the Germans before they’d even reached Dunkirk because even the Germans were’nt clever enough to have the Tiger then. But even the Bren Gun carriers and the Matildas which we did have did’nt have Gardners in them which is a shame because if the Germans had captured them at Dunkirk and copied the technology their later tanks would have been slow enough to lose them the war much earlier
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Winston ChurchillDave that would have been the worst of all worlds because the only hope they had of surviving with a Sherman was using either it’s petrol radial aero engine or the optional Detroit Diesel to get the hell out of the way quick before the Germans shot holes through it with a petrol engined Tiger.
Yes sir Leutent General Carryfast !!! or should it be Sturmbanfurer Carryfast ? You seem to know a lot about the enemy tanks and I would love to get you banged up in the Tower as a traitor even after all these years I’m sure we could make something stick !! Cheers Bewick.
That’s a bit unfair Bewick because two of those Comets which I’d have got built in 1940 would probably have stopped the Germans before they’d even reached Dunkirk because even the Germans were’nt clever enough to have the Tiger then.
Have we finally found "Your chosen subject " Carryfast when you get onto Mastermind !! " Fighting the Germans 1940 to 1945 " cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Winston ChurchillDave that would have been the worst of all worlds because the only hope they had of surviving with a Sherman was using either it’s petrol radial aero engine or the optional Detroit Diesel to get the hell out of the way quick before the Germans shot holes through it with a petrol engined Tiger.
Yes sir Leutent General Carryfast !!! or should it be Sturmbanfurer Carryfast ? You seem to know a lot about the enemy tanks and I would love to get you banged up in the Tower as a traitor even after all these years I’m sure we could make something stick !! Cheers Bewick.
That’s a bit unfair Bewick because two of those Comets which I’d have got built in 1940 would probably have stopped the Germans before they’d even reached Dunkirk because even the Germans were’nt clever enough to have the Tiger then.
Have we finally found "Your chosen subject " Carryfast when you get onto Mastermind !! " Fighting the Germans 1940 to 1945 " cheers Bewick.
Maybe but the absence of Gardners being used in front line service then shows that great minds often think alike.
Bewick & Carryfast What a strange subject for a truckers forum, on a lighter note i think my dad was once a Gardener in germany for the Diesel family (the inventor of the heavy oil engine) and my mums aunty lived in Detroit.
Dont know wether my dad did much pullin but iam sure my mums aunty certainly did. Like it–3piece-wheel
Here’s a 10’ 6" wheelbase R k Crisps Big J4T - jsut to bring this vaguely back on topic…
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that had a Meteor in it just like the Centurion. quote]
Made by Rover, as fitted to the Antar, but called a Metorite, being a derivitive of the Meteor /Merlin by RR
Useless info, but I worked on one as a nipper !
3piece-wheel:
Bewick & Carryfast What a strange subject for a truckers forum, on a lighter note i think my dad was once a Gardener in germany for the Diesel family (the inventor of the heavy oil engine) and my mums aunty lived in Detroit.
Dont know wether my dad did much pullin but iam sure my mums aunty certainly did. Like it–3piece-wheel
Was him name Percy Thrower??
Fergie47:
that had a Meteor in it just like the Centurion. quote]
Made by Rover, as fitted to the Antar, but called a Metorite, being a derivitive of the Meteor /Merlin by RR
Useless info, but I worked on one as a nipper !
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But it was cheap third rate version of the Meteor with 4 less cylinders which is why the ‘mighty’ Antar was even more gutless when it had a Chieftan tank loaded up than a Gardner powered Guy running at 32 tonnes would have been .But cost cutting guvnors trying to make false economies by underspeccing equipment are nothing new in the British road transport industry or the MOD.
Carryfast:
Fergie47:
that had a Meteor in it just like the Centurion. quote]
Made by Rover, as fitted to the Antar, but called a Metorite, being a derivitive of the Meteor /Merlin by RR
Useless info, but I worked on one as a nipper !
But it was cheap third rate version of the Meteor with 4 less cylinders which is why the ‘mighty’ Antar was even more gutless when it had a Chieftan tank loaded up than a Gardner powered Guy running at 32 tonnes would have been .But cost cutting guvnors trying to make false economies by underspeccing equipment are nothing new in the British road transport industry or the MOD.
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Good job they did hack 4 cylinders off. At one gallon per mile, sometimes even one and a half gallons to a mile, they were a tad thirsty. They also used a bit of oil as well, " Fill her up with oil, and check the diesel" was a well known phrase !!
Always been the same, ever since I started in road haulage, Buy the smallest truck available, to do the biggest jobs. In Europe it was almost the opposite, in the late '60’s you’d see F88’s as 4 wheelers, delivering coca cola to shops, in the UK you were running F86’s on 32 ton European work, and thought you were the dogs knob, after all, it had a heater !!!
Fergie47:
Carryfast:
Fergie47:
that had a Meteor in it just like the Centurion. quote]
Made by Rover, as fitted to the Antar, but called a Metorite, being a derivitive of the Meteor /Merlin by RR
Useless info, but I worked on one as a nipper !
But it was cheap third rate version of the Meteor with 4 less cylinders which is why the ‘mighty’ Antar was even more gutless when it had a Chieftan tank loaded up than a Gardner powered Guy running at 32 tonnes would have been
Good job they did hack 4 cylinders off. At one gallon per mile, sometimes even one and a half gallons to a mile, they were a tad thirsty. They also used a bit of oil as well, " Fill her up with oil, and check the diesel" was a well known phrase !!
Always been the same, ever since I started in road haulage, Buy the smallest truck available, to do the biggest jobs. In Europe it was almost the opposite, in the late '60’s you’d see F88’s as 4 wheelers, delivering coca cola to shops, in the UK you were running F86’s on 32 ton European work, and thought you were the dogs knob, after all, it had a heater !!!
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That’s what I meant by false economy.Working a gutless underspecced motor too hard will usually cause it to have bad fuel consumption whereas a bigger more powerful motor running at mostly part load will be more efficient.The correct way to compare the two would be to try the Antar’s Meteorite in both it’s petrol and diesel forms in a Centurion tank and then the Centurion’s Meteor petrol engine in the Antar.In both cases you’d probably find that the fuel consumption of the Meteor petrol engine would work out better than the Meteorite in either of it’s petrol or diesel versions.In the first case you’d end up with a gutless tank which would drink fuel and in the second case you’d end up with a much better Antar.That’s why they put a detuned version of the V12 diesel used in the Challenger in the Scammell Commander as they’d learnt that lesson by then.Those Europeans were right but it took us another 25 years to realise it and even then there were still guvnors around who preferred Gardner powered heaps to more powerful foreign motors.