newmercman:
Forget about Detroit Iron & underpowered feats of engineering excellence from Patricroft, that 88 is what you call a real lorry
Or even the F89 and then the F10-12 if you like Volvos but the old DAF 2800-3600 range could blow their doors off from what I saw.But can’t see why I’ve got to be sectioned for just stating facts. 
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
240 Gardner:
stepthru:
Calling Carryfast !! We need your technical expertise Cheers Bewick.I know you do but it’s wasted on you lot.But if I remember rightly was’nt there an argument in the Foden family when E.R Foden refused to believe that a steam powered Foden wagon and drag could be geared to run at 80 mph if they changed it from chain drive to a proper transmission
Say no more Carryfast I can see now you were brainwashed ( in your case that void between your ears were your Bs are now) What a dissapointment you must have turned out to your Grandad& Dad !! They sound like decent guy’s to me so what did they do wrong to be inflicted with you ? Never let the Bs grind you down ! Bewick.
Sounds like you’re applying double standards there bewick.They both did’nt rate Gardners and get called decent but I don’t and I’m nuts according to you. But my grandad was long gone before I was even born and my late dad seemed to like my ideas and taste in wagons.Mind they do’nt come back and haunt you.
The DKS 2800 was another lorry that was well liked & I guess it was better than a 290 88 in some ways, but those Volvos were at the end of their life then, the Daf was just starting out, the F10/12 range was better than the 2800-3600 range in every aspect, certainly from a drivers point of view, except for the beds, those Dafs had a really comfy mattress, but that’s to be expected, they never had a new range out together so one would always be more cutting edge than the other at any particular time.
You often hear the old boys saying about the Gardner 180 making them king of the road, well in my opinion only one lorry ever deserved that accolade & that was the Scania 141, in performance terms it was leagues ahead of anything else available, not only when it first came out, but for many years afterwards too, a 180 Gardner was nothing special compared to a 180 ■■■■■■■■ even the 240 was not much better than a 220 ■■■■■■■ or Rolls, but that big V8 Scania, well that was something a bit special 
I guess it’s a generation thing, for some it’s a 150 Gardner, some the 180, a few like the 240, then you have the Volvos & Scanias, whether it’s an 88 or a 143, the E290 ■■■■■■■ gets a mention from some too, out of a hundred random drivers I bet everyone lists one of these as their favourite, but I’ll also bet that only one & you know who I mean, will mention a two-stroke Detroit
newmercman:
The DKS 2800 was another lorry that was well liked & I guess it was better than a 290 88 in some ways, but those Volvos were at the end of their life then, the Daf was just starting out, the F10/12 range was better than the 2800-3600 range in every aspect, certainly from a drivers point of view, except for the beds, those Dafs had a really comfy mattress, but that’s to be expected, they never had a new range out together so one would always be more cutting edge than the other at any particular time.You often hear the old boys saying about the Gardner 180 making them king of the road, well in my opinion only one lorry ever deserved that accolade & that was the Scania 141, in performance terms it was leagues ahead of anything else available, not only when it first came out, but for many years afterwards too, a 180 Gardner was nothing special compared to a 180 ■■■■■■■■ even the 240 was not much better than a 220 ■■■■■■■ or Rolls, but that big V8 Scania, well that was something a bit special
I guess it’s a generation thing, for some it’s a 150 Gardner, some the 180, a few like the 240, then you have the Volvos & Scanias, whether it’s an 88 or a 143, the E290 ■■■■■■■ gets a mention from some too, out of a hundred random drivers I bet everyone lists one of these as their favourite, but I’ll also bet that only one & you know who I mean, will mention a two-stroke Detroit
Can you just picture the scene.You and Paddy each using a 141 and me with a TM 4400 with an 8V92.But I doubt if I’d be on my own if you widened the comparison to include drivers from the States during that time when the 141 was a European contender.
Bewick:
marcus 22:
Bewick:
Has anyone ever built one,sold one when new,repaired one,DRIVEN one,or at least seen one or possibly got a photo (side view) showing the 8 potter sticking out the rear of the cab .hi bewick their is a guy in sunderland bought one of cavewoods a few year ago some deal they done, its in cavewoods colours and he has a single axle trailer that came with it will try get you some photos , the chap that owns it is a friend of mine called darren ord he is a commercial dealer in sunderland.
thanks mark
Hiya marcus if it was one of Cavewoods are you sure it was a BigJ and not an Invincible ? Cheers Bewick.
Hi bewick not sure but almost sure its
a bigJ will check it out for you , he takes it to a few shows localy when they are on.
cheers mark
3piece-wheel:
Mayday Haulage of Bradnop nr Leek ran a Guy Big J powered by a Gardner 8LXB for a few years. Tideswell`s of Kingsley fitted a 8LXB complete with 9sp Fuller box in a R reg Volvo 88. Tideswell only changed engine oil at every M o T test, every 80,000 miles , alas not often enough for the 290 Volvo, hence the swop to Gardner power. Never threw old oil away, that was saved for the older vehicles “that were using a drop”. waste not want not was the motto.
Maydays Guy 8LXB was a Seddon 13 four with a sleeper cab the guy was a long door invincable with a 150 Eric was going to fit a 8LXB but sold the truck first.
the Volvo that Tideswells put the 240 into was not run by them it was a owner driver running out of there yard after it blew up Tideswells took it over.
John
Carryfast the Detroit was’nt a conversion in the Diamond T it was standard to the Italian army the truck in the photo has only covered about 8000miles.
John
yappie:
dennis carnt beleave your still humoring carryfast you must be melloring. moss &lovatt at macclesfeild had big j with 8LXB so i heard think it was richard stanier that told me
That big J of Moss and Lovatt only had the 240 badge and 6 cylinders David was a real nice chap but did’nt waste money on big engines at that time.
John
my late father drove diamond Ts throughout ww2 he only talked about the hercules engine never knew they fitted detroits in them he only had good things to say about the hercules engine, shame he is not here he would have loved this discussion/ row theres sod all on the box this is much better can`t believe this thread is still going this is gonna roll and roll keep it going
Has anyone heard the Cuckoo yet.
Hiya Ubym344 you can see the phone no on the door of the Volvo F88. Dave is truck mad and will give you all the details of his 2 stroke Diamond T.
It was a Italian army thing to have the straight 6 gm, I know the Hercules was used but not in the Italain army as he told me.
John
A bit on GM twostrokes
How about this for a bit of classic American trucking history? Yes it’s a GMC ‘Crackerbox’ and I am most grateful to ‘Crackerbox Jimmie’ who originally sent me this e-mail saying: “I drove two ‘Crackerboxes’ in the late 60s, a '61 and then a '64. The '61 had a V6 Detroit Diesel, rated as I remember at 218hp, pushing a single screw through a five-speed Eaton with a two-speed axle. The '64 has a 238hp Detroit, single screw with a ten-speed Fuller Roadranger. These trucks were very basic, with a narrow bunk, wider at the passenger end of the cab. Leg room was extremely limited and instumentation was mimimal. no aircon and heaters were weak. The '61 was a piece of junk, nothing but trouble with it. The '64 was a good truck for its day. The 238 was a strong engine and I hauled household goods all over the eastern US, west to Colorado and New Mexico.” Well BLB naturally asked Jimmie if he had any shots of his trucks and he’s come back with this absolute ‘cracker!’ for which I am most grateful. Now click through for more from the man himself…
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John
yappie:
dennis carnt beleave your still humoring carryfast you must be melloring. moss &lovatt at macclesfeild had big j with 8LXB so i heard think it was richard stanier that told me
Well I’ll know not to send you to buy a gardner scrapper Yap Yap as you’ll just kook at the badge on the grill and bid accordingly !! and I bet George wouldn’t be very happy when you got it back to the yard and asked you where the other two cylinders had gone !! I suggested a few days ago that the Moss & Lovatt Guy might have been bagde engineered and guess what it had an AEC engine it !! Have you got a drink problem or what !! Cheers Dennis.
Hiya Bewick…If i’am correct i think David Edwards had at least one Guy off Jack Critchlow and that would of had a 6LXB power.
They did have some big Js with 505 AECs fitted.The main contract was Hughes concrete pipes and was more cap loads instead of full loads
on there artics. Steve Barlow is there spanner man and a mate of mine so I will ask him what was what.
John
3300John:
Hiya Bewick…If i’am correct i think David Edwards had at least one Guy off Jack Critchlow and that would of had a 6LXB power.
They did have some big Js with 505 AECs fitted.The main contract was Hughes concrete pipes and was more cap loads instead of full loads
on there artics. Steve Barlow is there spanner man and a mate of mine so I will ask him what was what.
John
How are you keeping tonight John ? Well I hope ! Yep I think we about "squeezed the sponge dry "on this Guy 8LXB thread even Carryfast seems to have packed in anoying everyone unless he is in a boozer causing aggro !! but that could turn out more painful for him than a bit of harmless banter on here !! Cheers Bewick.
3300John:
A bit on GM twostrokesHow about this for a bit of classic American trucking history? Yes it’s a GMC ‘Crackerbox’ and I am most grateful to ‘Crackerbox Jimmie’ who originally sent me this e-mail saying: “I drove two ‘Crackerboxes’ in the late 60s, a '61 and then a '64. The '61 had a V6 Detroit Diesel, rated as I remember at 218hp, pushing a single screw through a five-speed Eaton with a two-speed axle. The '64 has a 238hp Detroit, single screw with a ten-speed Fuller Roadranger. These trucks were very basic, with a narrow bunk, wider at the passenger end of the cab. Leg room was extremely limited and instumentation was mimimal. no aircon and heaters were weak. The '61 was a piece of junk, nothing but trouble with it. The '64 was a good truck for its day. The 238 was a strong engine and I hauled household goods all over the eastern US, west to Colorado and New Mexico.” Well BLB naturally asked Jimmie if he had any shots of his trucks and he’s come back with this absolute ‘cracker!’ for which I am most grateful. Now click through for more from the man himself…
This is on Big lorry Blog
John
3300 John
It looks like he could’nt find a decent firm to work for running something like this instead.Or it just proves again that it does’nt matter where you are in the world or when it’s better to work as an owner driver than an employed one especially if you ended up with a guvnor like bewick and put on one of those GM heaps or a Gardner powered one. 
By the way check out the comments from modern day 60 series fans who don’t seem to have a clue that the motor that they’re looking at is a 14 Litre V12 with around 500 horses but unlike the 60 series it has’nt got a turbocharger.So what would the 60 series do without a turbo and what would be the fuel consumption of two 240 Gardners fitted in one truck and what would be the the weight?.
youtube.com/watch?v=R1FnUfPP … re=related
youtube.com/watch?v=LoTtpxfq … re=related
3300 John
It looks like he could’nt find a decent firm to work for running something like this instead.Or it just proves again that it does’nt matter where you are in the world or when it’s better to work as an owner driver than an employed one especially if you ended up with a guvnor like bewick and put on one of those GM heaps or a Gardner powered one. By the way check out the comments from modern day 60 series fans who don’t seem to have a clue that the motor that they’re looking at is a 14 Litre V12 with around 500 horses but unlike the 60 series it has’nt got a turbocharger.So what would the 60 series do without a turbo and what would be the fuel consumption of two 240 Gardners fitted in one truck and what would be the the weight?.
youtube.com/watch?v=R1FnUfPP … re=related
youtube.com/watch?v=LoTtpxfq … re=related
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For once Carryfast you are right, almost, the 12V71 Detroit isn’t turbocharged, but it is supercharged. All big two stroke diesels have to have some sort of forced induction or they won’t run at all. They were fitted with Rootes type blowers, regardless of how many cylinders they had, just like the Foden two stroke incidentally. Later on with the 92 series Detroit used a turbo.
Carryfast:
3300John:
A bit on GM twostrokesHow about this for a bit of classic American trucking history? Yes it’s a GMC ‘Crackerbox’ and I am most grateful to ‘Crackerbox Jimmie’ who originally sent me this e-mail saying: “I drove two ‘Crackerboxes’ in the late 60s, a '61 and then a '64. The '61 had a V6 Detroit Diesel, rated as I remember at 218hp, pushing a single screw through a five-speed Eaton with a two-speed axle. The '64 has a 238hp Detroit, single screw with a ten-speed Fuller Roadranger. These trucks were very basic, with a narrow bunk, wider at the passenger end of the cab. Leg room was extremely limited and instumentation was mimimal. no aircon and heaters were weak. The '61 was a piece of junk, nothing but trouble with it. The '64 was a good truck for its day. The 238 was a strong engine and I hauled household goods all over the eastern US, west to Colorado and New Mexico.” Well BLB naturally asked Jimmie if he had any shots of his trucks and he’s come back with this absolute ‘cracker!’ for which I am most grateful. Now click through for more from the man himself…
This is on Big lorry Blog
John3300 John
It looks like he could’nt find a decent firm to work for running something like this instead.Or it just proves again that it does’nt matter where you are in the world or when it’s better to work as an owner driver than an employed one especially if you ended up with a guvnor like bewick and put on one of those GM heaps or a Gardner powered one.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FnUfPP … re=related
youtube.com/watch?v=LoTtpxfq … re=related
Hey Carryfast you saying I was a bad Guvnor ■■ I’ll have you know we always had a loyal long serving set of drivers !! the only ones that didn’t last were probably the ones with your attitude to work !! and believe me we soon sorted out those that didn’t make the grade !! We also never had any complaints about the type or quality of our fleet and finally Carryfast I always had good relations with the T&G union as in their books we were classed as good employers !! So there my son pick the bones out of that . Cheers Bewick.
Forgive my igronance ive heard of two stroke trucks but way before my time. Do you have to mix oil in the fuel like a two stroke mortorbike.
acd1202:
3300 John
It looks like he could’nt find a decent firm to work for running something like this instead.Or it just proves again that it does’nt matter where you are in the world or when it’s better to work as an owner driver than an employed one especially if you ended up with a guvnor like bewick and put on one of those GM heaps or a Gardner powered one.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FnUfPP … re=related
youtube.com/watch?v=LoTtpxfq … re=related
For once Carryfast you are right, almost, the 12V71 Detroit isn’t turbocharged, but it is supercharged. All big two stroke diesels have to have some sort of forced induction or they won’t run at all. They were fitted with Rootes type blowers, regardless of how many cylinders they had, just like the Foden two stroke incidentally. Later on with the 92 series Detroit used a turbo.
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No acd1202 I’m right totally.I learnt as a 16 year old new starter that the 16V71 non turbo motor in the fire trucks which I was involved with,like all turbocharged and non turbocharged Detroit two strokes and probably that Foden attempt,is fitted with a blower not a supercharger.It does’nt really provide much,if any,compressed forced induction into the cylinders it just helps to do the same job as the pistons do on the wasted induction and exhaust strokes on a naturally aspirated four stroke.Most Detroit two strokes had a turbocharger option including that 12V71 and the even more powerful 16V71 which I grew up with.In which case you’d probably need to fit that ERF with 3,or possibly even 4, 240 Gardner engines to match that 12V71 and definitely the 16V71. But the turbocharged 8V92 is the one which went into the TM 4400 . By the way check out those videos again and read the comments and you’ll even see the yanks having the same argument about the true purpose of a two stroke’s blower.
