Bewick:
Ps Just a thought 240 why don’t you de-rate yourself to 200BHP you might keep going a bit longer until you need a re-build !! Cheers Bewick.
200 bhp? Outrageous! 150 is enough for anyone 
Although my 150 was firmly convinced it was a 240 after John Killingbeck had set it up…
Bewick,
How dare you incorrectly spell “Gardner”[Gardener],go to the back of the class with immediate effect!
5thwheel:
Bewick,How dare you incorrectly spell “Gardner”[Gardener],go to the back of the class with immediate effect!
Hiya 5thwheel !! for the record thats where I always sat in the class room so I can’t go any further back !! but I will be mindful of my spelling in future but be careful because if you start spelchecking every post on the site the screen will soon go blank !!! I believe this site is not known for the quality of its spelling and grammer as academic Qualification was not a requirement to secure a job as a driver !! maybe thats why we seem to have a lot of guests always looking in but lacking the will or ability to join in !!! Anyhow 5thW as much as I applaud your valliant effort to guide me in my spelling of the Queens english I think you will have more success p*****g into the wind !! As I was born and bred in the north I cant even speak proper like !! Cheers Bewick.
5thwheel:
Bewick,How dare you incorrectly spell “Gardner”[Gardener],go to the back of the class with immediate effect!
On a personal level, I’ve found you get used to it after the first 50 years…
3300John:
Hiya Gordon Harrison was a wizzard with ERF gearing.He got hold of a ex Richards and Osbourne ERF (WCV126J)Malcom Harrison commercials.it was all in at
48 mph(I collected it)The diff come out and a serviced one went in, chassis sprayed /cab painted new wheel trims and mats and away she flew 78 MPH
and pulled well 6 speed B/D Eaton 2 speed…one day a chap said what happened to that lorry you pased me like a rocket, I had it for 5 years and never passed
anyone…Harrisons had WCV…ETF…PER…PEY… UNM…HLG…MEH… all Gardner 180s and70+ mph apart from ETF only 62MPH They had SEH…GRL 12…
GRL 14…TMV… PRF…MRF…All 64MPH 8 cylinder Gardners.
John.
It’s lucky for all of the surviving Scandinavian and European truck manufacturers that all of the Brit manufacturers did’nt just follow that example of brilliant engineering in which it’s been proved here that a 180 or 240 horse Gardner powered truck could be made into such a formidable motor with such a small amount of technical modifications.
Bewick:
240 Gardner:
stepthru:
Calling Carryfast !! We need your technical expertise Cheers Bewick.
I know you do but it’s wasted on you lot.But if I remember rightly was’nt there an argument in the Foden family when E.R Foden refused to believe that a steam powered Foden wagon and drag could be geared to run at 80 mph if they changed it from chain drive to a proper transmission .I think that argument also carried on between my old dad and grandad when my grandad said that the steam powered Foden which he drove could have done the job better than the Diamond T which my Dad was using at the time to run tanks around with. But to give my grandad and dad credit where it’s due they both never rated the Gardner powered ERF’s.
Carryfast:
3300John:
Hiya Gordon Harrison was a wizzard with ERF gearing.He got hold of a ex Richards and Osbourne ERF (WCV126J)Malcom Harrison commercials.it was all in at
48 mph(I collected it)The diff come out and a serviced one went in, chassis sprayed /cab painted new wheel trims and mats and away she flew 78 MPH
and pulled well 6 speed B/D Eaton 2 speed…one day a chap said what happened to that lorry you pased me like a rocket, I had it for 5 years and never passed
anyone…Harrisons had WCV…ETF…PER…PEY… UNM…HLG…MEH… all Gardner 180s and70+ mph apart from ETF only 62MPH They had SEH…GRL 12…
GRL 14…TMV… PRF…MRF…All 64MPH 8 cylinder Gardners.
John.
It’s lucky for all of the surviving Scandinavian and European truck manufacturers that all of the Brit manufacturers did’nt just follow that example of brilliant engineering in which it’s been proved here that a 180 or 240 horse Gardner powered truck could be made into such a formidable motor with such a small amount of technical modifications.
Carryfast,you are about as patriotic as Lord Haw Haw. 
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
3300John:
Hiya Gordon Harrison was a wizzard with ERF gearing.He got hold of a ex Richards and Osbourne ERF (WCV126J)Malcom Harrison commercials.it was all in at
48 mph(I collected it)The diff come out and a serviced one went in, chassis sprayed /cab painted new wheel trims and mats and away she flew 78 MPH
and pulled well 6 speed B/D Eaton 2 speed…one day a chap said what happened to that lorry you pased me like a rocket, I had it for 5 years and never passed
anyone…Harrisons had WCV…ETF…PER…PEY… UNM…HLG…MEH… all Gardner 180s and70+ mph apart from ETF only 62MPH They had SEH…GRL 12…
GRL 14…TMV… PRF…MRF…All 64MPH 8 cylinder Gardners.
John.
It’s lucky for all of the surviving Scandinavian and European truck manufacturers that all of the Brit manufacturers did’nt just follow that example of brilliant engineering in which it’s been proved here that a 180 or 240 horse Gardner powered truck could be made into such a formidable motor with such a small amount of technical modifications.
Carryfast,you are about as patriotic as Lord Haw Haw.
No the yanks were on our side from what I was always told
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
3300John:
Hiya Gordon Harrison was a wizzard with ERF gearing.He got hold of a ex Richards and Osbourne ERF (WCV126J)Malcom Harrison commercials.it was all in at
48 mph(I collected it)The diff come out and a serviced one went in, chassis sprayed /cab painted new wheel trims and mats and away she flew 78 MPH
and pulled well 6 speed B/D Eaton 2 speed…one day a chap said what happened to that lorry you pased me like a rocket, I had it for 5 years and never passed
anyone…Harrisons had WCV…ETF…PER…PEY… UNM…HLG…MEH… all Gardner 180s and70+ mph apart from ETF only 62MPH They had SEH…GRL 12…
GRL 14…TMV… PRF…MRF…All 64MPH 8 cylinder Gardners.
John.
It’s lucky for all of the surviving Scandinavian and European truck manufacturers that all of the Brit manufacturers did’nt just follow that example of brilliant engineering in which it’s been proved here that a 180 or 240 horse Gardner powered truck could be made into such a formidable motor with such a small amount of technical modifications.
Carryfast,you are about as patriotic as Lord Haw Haw.
Well bless your little cotton socks Carryfast !! I was beginning to wonder when you would pop up out of the cheese and here you are mouth open and brain out of gear spouting your usual incoherent drivel !! heres me thinking we would be enjoying a pleasant interesting evening but that idea has now been shattered I can see !! We will now be subjected to the biggest load of B******s since you were last on the site !! Anyway its a free world so go on Carryfast get at it my son !! PS anyway I thought you would be in Hiati by now co-ordinating all the incomming flights !! Oh I forgot you couldnt get a visa to fly into yankee airspace but at least the Hiatians will be spared !! Keep your elbows in !! Bewick.
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
3300John:
Hiya Gordon Harrison was a wizzard with ERF gearing.He got hold of a ex Richards and Osbourne ERF (WCV126J)Malcom Harrison commercials.it was all in at
48 mph(I collected it)The diff come out and a serviced one went in, chassis sprayed /cab painted new wheel trims and mats and away she flew 78 MPH
and pulled well 6 speed B/D Eaton 2 speed…one day a chap said what happened to that lorry you pased me like a rocket, I had it for 5 years and never passed
anyone…Harrisons had WCV…ETF…PER…PEY… UNM…HLG…MEH… all Gardner 180s and70+ mph apart from ETF only 62MPH They had SEH…GRL 12…
GRL 14…TMV… PRF…MRF…All 64MPH 8 cylinder Gardners.
John.
It’s lucky for all of the surviving Scandinavian and European truck manufacturers that all of the Brit manufacturers did’nt just follow that example of brilliant engineering in which it’s been proved here that a 180 or 240 horse Gardner powered truck could be made into such a formidable motor with such a small amount of technical modifications.
Carryfast,you are about as patriotic as Lord Haw Haw.
Well bless your little cotton socks Carryfast !! I was beginning to wonder when you would pop up out of the cheese and here you are mouth open and brain out of gear spouting your usual incoherent drivel !! heres me thinking we would be enjoying a pleasant interesting evening but that idea has now been shattered I can see !! We will now be subjected to the biggest load of B******s since you were last on the site !! Anyway its a free world so go on Carryfast get at it my son !! PS anyway I thought you would be in Hiati by now co-ordinating all the incomming flights !! Oh I forgot you couldnt get a visa to fly into yankee airspace but at least the Hiatians will be spared !! Keep your elbows in !! Bewick.
It’s no good asking for my technical expertise if you don’t want to hear it when I write it down.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
240 Gardner:
stepthru:
Calling Carryfast !! We need your technical expertise Cheers Bewick.I know you do but it’s wasted on you lot.But if I remember rightly was’nt there an argument in the Foden family when E.R Foden refused to believe that a steam powered Foden wagon and drag could be geared to run at 80 mph if they changed it from chain drive to a proper transmission
Say no more Carryfast I can see now you were brainwashed ( in your case that void between your ears were your Bs are now) What a dissapointment you must have turned out to your Grandad& Dad !! They sound like decent guy’s to me so what did they do wrong to be inflicted with you ? Never let the Bs grind you down ! Bewick.
Bewick:
Has anyone ever built one,sold one when new,repaired one,DRIVEN one,or at least seen one or possibly got a photo (side view) showing the 8 potter sticking out the rear of the cab .
hi bewick their is a guy in sunderland bought one of cavewoods a few year ago some deal they done, its in cavewoods colours and he has a single axle trailer that came with it will try get you some photos , the chap that owns it is a friend of mine called darren ord he is a commercial dealer in sunderland.
thanks mark
marcus 22:
Bewick:
Has anyone ever built one,sold one when new,repaired one,DRIVEN one,or at least seen one or possibly got a photo (side view) showing the 8 potter sticking out the rear of the cab .hi bewick their is a guy in sunderland bought one of cavewoods a few year ago some deal they done, its in cavewoods colours and he has a single axle trailer that came with it will try get you some photos , the chap that owns it is a friend of mine called darren ord he is a commercial dealer in sunderland.
thanks mark
Hiya marcus if it was one of Cavewoods are you sure it was a BigJ and not an Invincible ? Cheers Bewick.
Hiya …carryfast Ive just found a Diamond T for you its quite rare as it has a GM twostroke engine my pal Dave owns it.It is very very noisy inside
and dose 28 mph and 4 miles per gallon this is what your relations would have driven.I think it is 160 BHP.As you see its a quite basic interior.
How about the three gearsticks.You see the Americans could build a very very good motor that has lasted the time.Would you like a ride I don’t
think you would be able to drive it your self.
John
3300John:
Hiya …carryfast Ive just found a Diamond T for you its quite rare as it has a GM twostroke engine my pal Dave owns it.It is very very noisy inside
and dose 28 mph and 4 miles per gallon this is what your relations would have driven.I think it is 160 BHP.As you see its a quite basic interior.
How about the three gearsticks.You see the Americans could build a very very good motor that has lasted the time.Would you like a ride I don’t
think you would be able to drive it your self.
John
Don’t set him off John you will have him shooting his bolt all over the key board !! Didn’t you mean 4 gallon to the mile ? Cheers Bewick.
3300John:
Hiya …carryfast Ive just found a Diamond T for you its quite rare as it has a GM twostroke engine my pal Dave owns it.It is very very noisy inside
and dose 28 mph and 4 miles per gallon this is what your relations would have driven.I think it is 160 BHP.As you see its a quite basic interior.
How about the three gearsticks.You see the Americans could build a very very good motor that has lasted the time.Would you like a ride I don’t
think you would be able to drive it your self.
John
Naughty John.
dennis carnt beleave your still humoring carryfast you must be melloring. moss &lovatt at macclesfeild had big j with 8LXB so i heard think it was richard stanier that told me 
Bewick:
3300John:
Hiya …carryfast Ive just found a Diamond T for you its quite rare as it has a GM twostroke engine my pal Dave owns it.It is very very noisy inside
and dose 28 mph and 4 miles per gallon this is what your relations would have driven.I think it is 160 BHP.As you see its a quite basic interior.
How about the three gearsticks.You see the Americans could build a very very good motor that has lasted the time.Would you like a ride I don’t
think you would be able to drive it your self.
JohnDon’t set him off John you will have him shooting his bolt all over the key board !! Didn’t you mean 4 gallon to the mile ? Cheers Bewick.
Thanks John I think I know that old conversion it’s been done on a few of them and I’ve seen another one like it with a Detroit in it but it was the inline 6 53 motor if I remember rightly so it’s no wonder that it’s gutless and bxxxxy noisy.I know all about the gear shift as my dad told me enough times but it might have been better to keep the old Hercules engine.But we’re talking about the state of the art as it stood in 1942 not 1976.But a few extra gearsticks would’nt bother me as it just means a bit more excersise instead of using the range change and splitter on a decent fuller 13 speed.But it’s no good having the noise if you have’nt got the grunt to go with it.
Forget about Detroit Iron & underpowered feats of engineering excellence from Patricroft, that 88 is what you call a real lorry
Bewick, bit harsh on Carryfast wouldn’t you say, yes he may have a few out of the box ideas, in fact half the time he’s totally barmy, but he has a point about his beloved Detroit Diesels, the USA built up a pretty good transport system using them, the company also moved on with the times & went to the 60 Series (which is held in extremely high regard in the states to this day) now they have the DD15 engine, it is without doubt far superior to the alternatives from Volvo or ■■■■■■■ (CAT no longer make truck engines) that are currently available in the USA, on the other hand, where are Gardner today?
Mayday Haulage of Bradnop nr Leek ran a Guy Big J powered by a Gardner 8LXB for a few years. Tideswell`s of Kingsley fitted a 8LXB complete with 9sp Fuller box in a R reg Volvo 88. Tideswell only changed engine oil at every M o T test, every 80,000 miles , alas not often enough for the 290 Volvo, hence the swop to Gardner power. Never threw old oil away, that was saved for the older vehicles “that were using a drop”. waste not want not was the motto.