trev_h sorry about your keyboard hopefuly it will dry out but re me googling this thread I should have known what would come up , wether this b----y guy ever existed it has got us typing away and that pic of gearstick is the little button for clutch brake if it is that must have got your mind going Iremember driving a 2 speed axle for the first time I played a lot of tunes on that till I got the hang of it cheers fred
Hy Bewick, I noticed that you are still very sceptical about fitting an 8LXB into a 9’ 6" chassis such as the ERF “A” Series but they did indeed fit the 8LXB in this chassis which to quote from their Brochure in the Brochure Thread “Dimension from centre of rear axle to nearest obstruction behind cab is seven foot, eight and a quarter inches for all models except 8LXB which is seven foot two and a half inches” which is a difference of only six and a quarter inches. The Guy had a slightly longer front to back cab measurement and a longer wheel base, so as I see it, no prob…Tony.
Suttons Tony:
Hy Bewick, I noticed that you are still very sceptical about fitting an 8LXB into a 9’ 6" chassis such as the ERF “A” Series but they did indeed fit the 8LXB in this chassis which to quote from their Brochure in the Brochure Thread “Dimension from centre of rear axle to nearest obstruction behind cab is seven foot, eight and a quarter inches for all models except 8LXB which is seven foot two and a half inches” which is a difference of only six and a quarter inches. The Guy had a slightly longer front to back cab measurement and a longer wheel base, so as I see it, no prob…Tony.
Hiya Tony ! I did run an A Series and it was an 8LXB ! What I meant was it was much easier when the manufactures started to build the longer chassis as it gave a bit more room behind the cab .Are you defo that the Guy was a longer W. B. ( 114 ins.) ? I think the A series was similar but will stand corrected if it isn’t . Glad to see you are paying attention ! Cheers Bewick.
Dave the Renegade:
The Foden two stroke was noisy,but it did sound nice from a distance. A chap called Freddie Brace from Hereford ran two Foden eight wheelers with two strokes out of the local quarry. I drove a Commer Maxiload with TS3 two stroke,good lorry,but you had no engine braking whatsoever…,good job it had full air brakes.
Cheers Dave.
Your just two faced Renegade !! Dennis
fryske:
phil the book:
Hello i hope you dont mind me putting my 10 pence worth in i had the unluck to drive a guy demo for a few weeks i the early 70s and being rather on the tall side getting in the cab was an effort the seat never went back far enough and up or down for that matter the clutch was like rock and the gearstick had the range change button on one side and a clutch brake button on the other this in turn vibrated on your left thigh causing allsorts of pains and bruising and discouloring of the skin.Being tall you had to stoop forward to look under the sunvisors which inturn were fitted to some kind of glove box bolted to the roof after a day in a semi seated feutal position the best thing about the guy was getting out of it although that Gardner 240 was a lovely lump its just a shame that we could not get it into a good british chassis or cab…this should get your left leg twitching then…
Hey Fryske that looks like the control stick on your stair lift to me !!! wheres the Gardener 8LXB on the other end then ? Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
The Foden two stroke was noisy,but it did sound nice from a distance. A chap called Freddie Brace from Hereford ran two Foden eight wheelers with two strokes out of the local quarry. I drove a Commer Maxiload with TS3 two stroke,good lorry,but you had no engine braking whatsoever…,good job it had full air brakes.
Cheers Dave.Your just two faced Renegade !! Dennis
Now now Dennis,I didn’t mention Yankie two strokes,don’t start kicking your toys about,you are catching bad habits off carryfast. 
Cheers Dave.
r slicker:
if you guys (pardon the pun) look on marc’s bubblemans scrapbook thread there is a salvesons big j with a gardner engine badged up. and it sure as hell looks like a 240 badge to mego have a look.
You could have given the Page No on bubblemans scrapbook of Salvessens Big J !! there are 85 to choose from !! Cheers Bewick.
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
The Foden two stroke was noisy,but it did sound nice from a distance. A chap called Freddie Brace from Hereford ran two Foden eight wheelers with two strokes out of the local quarry. I drove a Commer Maxiload with TS3 two stroke,good lorry,but you had no engine braking whatsoever…,good job it had full air brakes.
Cheers Dave.Your just two faced Renegade !! Dennis
Now now Dennis,I didn’t mention Yankie two strokes,don’t start kicking your toys about,you are catching bad habits off carryfast.
Cheers Dave.
Yea Dave but according to Carryfast the UK built trucks were bags of s**t and I wholly agree with him( pass the mouth wash please) the US built ones are as well but for some reason best known to his twisted logic the american trucks are the best things on wheels !! He really needs a brain transplant but the local zoo have not found a suitable doner as of yet !!Cheers Dennis.
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
The Foden two stroke was noisy,but it did sound nice from a distance. A chap called Freddie Brace from Hereford ran two Foden eight wheelers with two strokes out of the local quarry. I drove a Commer Maxiload with TS3 two stroke,good lorry,but you had no engine braking whatsoever…,good job it had full air brakes.
Cheers Dave.Your just two faced Renegade !! Dennis
Now now Dennis,I didn’t mention Yankie two strokes,don’t start kicking your toys about,you are catching bad habits off carryfast.
Cheers Dave.
Yea Dave but according to Carryfast the UK built trucks were bags of s**t and I wholly agree with him( pass the mouth wash please) the US built ones are as well but for some reason best known to his twisted logic the american trucks are the best things on wheels !! He really needs a brain transplant but the local zoo have not found a suitable doner as of yet !!Cheers Dennis.
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
The Foden two stroke was noisy,but it did sound nice from a distance. A chap called Freddie Brace from Hereford ran two Foden eight wheelers with two strokes out of the local quarry. I drove a Commer Maxiload with TS3 two stroke,good lorry,but you had no engine braking whatsoever…,good job it had full air brakes.
Cheers Dave.Your just two faced Renegade !! Dennis
Now now Dennis,I didn’t mention Yankie two strokes,don’t start kicking your toys about,you are catching bad habits off carryfast.
Cheers Dave.
Yea Dave but according to Carryfast the UK built trucks were bags of s**t and I wholly agree with him( pass the mouth wash please) the US built ones are as well but for some reason best known to his twisted logic the american trucks are the best things on wheels !! He really needs a brain transplant but the local zoo have not found a suitable doner as of yet !!Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
The Foden two stroke was noisy,but it did sound nice from a distance. A chap called Freddie Brace from Hereford ran two Foden eight wheelers with two strokes out of the local quarry. I drove a Commer Maxiload with TS3 two stroke,good lorry,but you had no engine braking whatsoever…,good job it had full air brakes.
Cheers Dave.Your just two faced Renegade !! Dennis
Now now Dennis,I didn’t mention Yankie two strokes,don’t start kicking your toys about,you are catching bad habits off carryfast.
Cheers Dave.Yea Dave but according to Carryfast the UK built trucks were bags of s**t and I wholly agree with him( pass the mouth wash please) the US built ones are as well but for some reason best known to his twisted logic the american trucks are the best things on wheels !! He really needs a brain transplant but the local zoo have not found a suitable doner as of yet !!Cheers Dennis.
PS why is Carryfasts name next to mine on the list at the bottom of the page ? anyone would think we are riding on the same bus !!!
Hiya…Bewick…Yes the chassis is 2 inches longer on a Seddon 13 four and Guy bigJ 4t than a ERF A series.The ERF A Series chassis was such a tight fit
for gb regulations that the front bumper should have been fitted on the front of the chassis. But it was redisgned with the bumper under the chassis as
the truck was over length with a 40ft trailer and a fixed 5th wheel.This is genuine as i was working on cab construction at the time in Sun works.
I think you will find out that Atkinson got the first ever 8LXB and was in their chassis before ERF got there first engine Foden was later as ERF tested
past the Elworth factory.I have just looked on the Gardner site and it speakes of omissions been the big nail in the coffin.But a marine engine was available
after lorry engines had ceased
John.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
240 Gardner:
Bewick:
Com’on Dave if they let Carryfast loose among the sheep on Shap Fell it would be the News of The World running the story not S4C channel !!! Cheers Dennis.I think the sheep will be safe, Dennis - they’ll outsmart him
Ubym is about right 240 the thread is about played out through no fault of mine !! But before we send in the men in white coats with a net to remove Carryfast I would like to fire one more grenade in!! What ever happened to the “great” Foden 2 stroke ? Maybe Carryfast could give us the benefit of his de-ranged logic as to why the Foden factory at Sandbach didn’t drop the alternative engines ( Gardener & ■■■■■■■ ) and step production up to 24/7 to satisfy what was at the time , no doubt, an insatiable demand for the engine by British operators !! I remember as a lad growing up in Kendal in the early 60s a Foden factory artic loaded with test weights used to come thro’ every day on its way to the top of Shap and back to Sandbach .What a B****y noise it made when the driver gave it some clog pulling out along Shap road at the noth end of Kendal !!I should be able to claim for damage to my young eardrums !! I can still hear the noisy B*****d . Regards Mutt & Jeff --Bewick.
Probably for the same reason that we did’nt see any yank drivers clamouring to emigrate to the UK in the 1960’s and 1970’s,to work for Brit employers driving Gardner or Foden two stroke powered heaps around Britain at 40 mph,having got fed up with driving noisy Detroit powered beasts across the States at 100 mph.Or for the same reason that GM were’nt so impressed by the Foden two stroke that they dropped ther own one and produced the Foden one instead under licence.
Carryfast it would seem that you are sniffing glue or maybe easy start !! would you mind clariflying the last contribution you posted ? Thanking you in anticipation but I won’t hold my breath !! Bewick.
Blimey I thought that I was stating the bleeding obvious.I was simply pointing out that the British,as so often when it came to making a decent truck engine,made a dogs dinner of the job,(probably because they listened to too many British operators who were more interested in how much fuel they could save by running a slow gutless wagon,which most sensible drivers did’nt want to drive,than how much money they could make by getting more work done with a faster wagon),whereas the yanks made the idea work long before Foden and Commer even thought of trying to copy them, hence the numbers of theirs produced and sold to happy customers versus the Foden attempt at a two stroke and Gardner’s idea of a four stroke like the 240 amongst others probably.
Bewick:
ubym344:
i googled “guy big j with gardner 8xlb” and got a load of gay sites not what Iwas afterDon’t tell Carryfast Ubym as he will be immediatley converted to the merits of Gardener engines as I think he could defo be a passenger on the "other bus !!! You should have put 8LXB in not 8xlb !!! Cheers Bewick.
If you’ve got a grandaughter who’s old enough you could ask her what she thinks if she’d be up for a test run.
Hiya carryfast you say about slower trucks i hope you relised that the maximum speed limit on a A road in the UK was 28MPH until 1963.It was then rasied
to 40 MPH except on Motorways(at that time you did’nt come across much M way)It was’nt until 1985 IICR that trucks could do 50 mph on a duel carrigeway.
SO you tell me what need for a 100 mph Detroit 2 stroke would be. In 1973 (christmas day) i was running sugar beet from Newark to Peterbourough with a 63 MPH Foden (yes it was a gardner 180)most people was opening pressies and i was pottering along at 39.999MPH with mr plod watching me.The night before
(xmas eve) at 9.30pm he got me for 53MPH(second offence) and i got a 6 months ban. Maybe i could say if i’d got a Bedford TM (not available)he would not have caught me…How would that stand in court.A driver doing 100MPH on a 40MPH road in a truck that dose’nt exsist.
John
Bewick:
fryske:
phil the book:
Hello i hope you dont mind me putting my 10 pence worth in i had the unluck to drive a guy demo for a few weeks i the early 70s and being rather on the tall side getting in the cab was an effort the seat never went back far enough and up or down for that matter the clutch was like rock and the gearstick had the range change button on one side and a clutch brake button on the other this in turn vibrated on your left thigh causing allsorts of pains and bruising and discouloring of the skin.Being tall you had to stoop forward to look under the sunvisors which inturn were fitted to some kind of glove box bolted to the roof after a day in a semi seated feutal position the best thing about the guy was getting out of it although that Gardner 240 was a lovely lump its just a shame that we could not get it into a good british chassis or cab…this should get your left leg twitching then…
Hey Fryske that looks like the control stick on your stair lift to me !!! wheres the Gardener 8LXB on the other end then ? Cheers Bewick.
stair lift!!■■
3300John:
Hiya carryfast you say about slower trucks i hope you relised that the maximum speed limit on a A road in the UK was 28MPH until 1963.It was then rasied
to 40 MPH except on Motorways(at that time you did’nt come across much M way)It was’nt until 1985 IICR that trucks could do 50 mph on a duel carrigeway.
SO you tell me what need for a 100 mph Detroit 2 stroke would be. In 1973 (christmas day) i was running sugar beet from Newark to Peterbourough with a 63 MPH Foden (yes it was a gardner 180)most people was opening pressies and i was pottering along at 39.999MPH with mr plod watching me.The night before
(xmas eve) at 9.30pm he got me for 53MPH(second offence) and i got a 6 months ban. Maybe i could say if i’d got a Bedford TM (not available)he would not have caught me…How would that stand in court.A driver doing 100MPH on a 40MPH road in a truck that dose’nt exsist.
John
Hiya John I think Carryfast sits there every evening eating his beans & grits watching a replay of Hell Drivers where else would he have got the idea that motors run round the country doing 100 MPH !! He may have even speeded the film up to get a bigger hard on !!! Cheers Dennis.
fryske:
Bewick:
fryske:
phil the book:
Hello i hope you dont mind me putting my 10 pence worth in i had the unluck to drive a guy demo for a few weeks i the early 70s and being rather on the tall side getting in the cab was an effort the seat never went back far enough and up or down for that matter the clutch was like rock and the gearstick had the range change button on one side and a clutch brake button on the other this in turn vibrated on your left thigh causing allsorts of pains and bruising and discouloring of the skin.Being tall you had to stoop forward to look under the sunvisors which inturn were fitted to some kind of glove box bolted to the roof after a day in a semi seated feutal position the best thing about the guy was getting out of it although that Gardner 240 was a lovely lump its just a shame that we could not get it into a good british chassis or cab…this should get your left leg twitching then…
Hey Fryske that looks like the control stick on your stair lift to me !!! wheres the Gardener 8LXB on the other end then ? Cheers Bewick.
stair lift!!■■
Yea Fryske you know they fit them the stairs to make it easier for the elderly to go up and down stairs !! Interesting shot though never had anything like it on our Guys Cheers Bewick.
3300John:
Hiya carryfast you say about slower trucks i hope you relised that the maximum speed limit on a A road in the UK was 28MPH until 1963.It was then rasied
to 40 MPH except on Motorways(at that time you did’nt come across much M way)It was’nt until 1985 IICR that trucks could do 50 mph on a duel carrigeway.
SO you tell me what need for a 100 mph Detroit 2 stroke would be. In 1973 (christmas day) i was running sugar beet from Newark to Peterbourough with a 63 MPH Foden (yes it was a gardner 180)most people was opening pressies and i was pottering along at 39.999MPH with mr plod watching me.The night before
(xmas eve) at 9.30pm he got me for 53MPH(second offence) and i got a 6 months ban. Maybe i could say if i’d got a Bedford TM (not available)he would not have caught me…How would that stand in court.A driver doing 100MPH on a 40MPH road in a truck that dose’nt exsist.
John
I was’nt actually trying to make any comparisons based on those type of criterea based on certain types of speed limited local roads at those specific times.But there were plenty of applications where you could actually use a lot more power even in a 32 tonner and there’s no way that a Gardner 180 would even reach 60 mph flat out at 32 tonnes especially if it saw a hill , and when the 38 tonne limit came in the Brit manufacturers were stuffed because all of their thinking was based on those types of gutless British guvnors wagons.But the issue is that the thinking which produced such lousy wagons and Gardner powered ones really sum up the type of thinking which wrecked the British manufacturing industries compared to the type of trucks which the yanks and the Scandinavian manufacturers were turning out in which 10 horses per tonne was rightly considered a minimum requirement.In which case what was the point of engines like the 240 except maybe for small rigids, buses and coaches but why would you want a big heavy 14 Litre engine for that when something much smaller ad lighter could do the job?.
Bewick:
3300John:
Hiya carryfast you say about slower trucks i hope you relised that the maximum speed limit on a A road in the UK was 28MPH until 1963.It was then rasied
to 40 MPH except on Motorways(at that time you did’nt come across much M way)It was’nt until 1985 IICR that trucks could do 50 mph on a duel carrigeway.
SO you tell me what need for a 100 mph Detroit 2 stroke would be. In 1973 (christmas day) i was running sugar beet from Newark to Peterbourough with a 63 MPH Foden (yes it was a gardner 180)most people was opening pressies and i was pottering along at 39.999MPH with mr plod watching me.The night before
(xmas eve) at 9.30pm he got me for 53MPH(second offence) and i got a 6 months ban. Maybe i could say if i’d got a Bedford TM (not available)he would not have caught me…How would that stand in court.A driver doing 100MPH on a 40MPH road in a truck that dose’nt exsist.
JohnHiya John I think Carryfast sits there every evening eating his beans & grits watching a replay of Hell Drivers where else would he have got the idea that motors run round the country doing 100 MPH !! He may have even speeded the film up to get a bigger hard on !!! Cheers Dennis.
Not guilty it was’nt me who speeded up that film to make those mickey mouse tippers look like they could exceed the limit.But if you really want to know where they were driving artics at 100 mph you’ll have to look in the States and their films like Convoy actually used theirs on film running a lot slower than in real life unlike our filmakers did. 