sorry dennis will jump back in my bedford tk and shut up 
by the way i remember judy shunter in yard !!!
yappie:
sorry dennis will jump back in my bedford tk and shut up
Yea JR thats one you never got to butcher !!! U. NO HOO !!!
Bewick:
yappie:
sorry dennis will jump back in my bedford tk and shut upYea JR thats one you never got to butcher !!! U. NO HOO !!!
This thread is deteriating in fron’t of me so I’m off to bed sod it !!
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!
The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off .But what is a Detroit Dennis never heard of one?.But those Gardner powered heaps which were cut up for their engines were just given a humane way out like sending an old nag to the Knackers yard and their engines probably ended up in a South American Amazon river barge because they could’nt afford to run a Detroit in it.
Carryfast:
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off
Look here Carryfast what is it with you and Gardener engines did one fall on your head in earlier years or somthing as it would seem you are in need immediate help or at least some stronger medication ----- Nurse, nurse quickly and bring the straight jacket with you !!! Dispairingly Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off
Look here Carryfast what is it with you and Gardener engines did one fall on your head in earlier years or somthing as it would seem you are in need immediate help or at least some stronger medication ----- Nurse, nurse quickly and bring the straight jacket with you !!! Dispairingly Bewick.
Hi carryfast,
I can’t see the logic in championing a vehicle that is heavier on fuel,the whole point of running lorries is to make money.You might call a Gardner engined vehicle a heap or a Bosses moter,but most of the blokes that drove them were happy enough,at least they were reliable.Everyone wants to drive a nice comfortable lorry with bags of power,but at the end of the day,that vehicle has got to operate at a profit.
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off
Look here Carryfast what is it with you and Gardener engines did one fall on your head in earlier years or somthing as it would seem you are in need immediate help or at least some stronger medication ----- Nurse, nurse quickly and bring the straight jacket with you !!! Dispairingly Bewick.
Hi carryfast,
I can’t see the logic in championing a vehicle that is heavier on fuel,the whole point of running lorries is to make money.You might call a Gardner engined vehicle a heap or a Bosses moter,but most of the blokes that drove them were happy enough,at least they were reliable.Everyone wants to drive a nice comfortable lorry with bags of power,but at the end of the day,that vehicle has got to operate at a profit.
Cheers Dave.
Dave you really are wasting your time with reasoned argument here mate you may as well stand on top of Brecon Beacon , face the wind and try emptying your bladder without p*****g all over your self !!! Dennis
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off
Look here Carryfast what is it with you and Gardener engines did one fall on your head in earlier years or somthing as it would seem you are in need immediate help or at least some stronger medication ----- Nurse, nurse quickly and bring the straight jacket with you !!! Dispairingly Bewick.
Hi carryfast,
I can’t see the logic in championing a vehicle that is heavier on fuel,the whole point of running lorries is to make money.You might call a Gardner engined vehicle a heap or a Bosses moter,but most of the blokes that drove them were happy enough,at least they were reliable.Everyone wants to drive a nice comfortable lorry with bags of power,but at the end of the day,that vehicle has got to operate at a profit.
Cheers Dave.Dave you really are wasting your time with reasoned argument here mate you may as well stand on top of Brecon Beacon , face the wind and try emptying your bladder without p*****g all over your self !!! Dennis
Hi Dennis,
They had a lady on the radio this morning who trains sheepdogs,she lives at Shap,perhaps she could train carryfast,make him round a few sheep up and try driving them,much harder to drive than anything.
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off
Look here Carryfast what is it with you and Gardener engines did one fall on your head in earlier years or somthing as it would seem you are in need immediate help or at least some stronger medication ----- Nurse, nurse quickly and bring the straight jacket with you !!! Dispairingly Bewick.
Hi carryfast,
I can’t see the logic in championing a vehicle that is heavier on fuel,the whole point of running lorries is to make money.You might call a Gardner engined vehicle a heap or a Bosses moter,but most of the blokes that drove them were happy enough,at least they were reliable.Everyone wants to drive a nice comfortable lorry with bags of power,but at the end of the day,that vehicle has got to operate at a profit.
Cheers Dave.Dave you really are wasting your time with reasoned argument here mate you may as well stand on top of Brecon Beacon , face the wind and try emptying your bladder without p*****g all over your self !!! Dennis
Hi Dennis,
They had a lady on the radio this morning who trains sheepdogs,she lives at Shap,perhaps she could train carryfast,make him round a few sheep up and try driving them,much harder to drive than anything.
Cheers Dave.
Com’on Dave if they let Carryfast loose among the sheep on Shap Fell it would be the News of The World running the story not S4C channel !!! Cheers Dennis.
Hi Guys, I was speaking to my brother today,the two of us worked at Millars of Abington.He was on the night shift for many years and Smith of Maddiston trunkers used to be in the garage most nights getting repairs, mostly trailer lights,bulbs,wiper blades etc. I’ve been following the great debate about Guy big Js being fitted with 240 gardners.He confirmed to me that Smiths had a load of them,and when they stopped production they bought Seddons with the 240 engine. I would also like to say that the gardner engine at that time was most reliable and efficient.The mileages that these engines covered was unbelievable considering that engine oils were not as they are today.Anyone who thinks the Yanks could make anything close to Gardner should really be taken away with the men in white coats.
The mechanic:
Hi Guys, I was speaking to my brother today,the two of us worked at Millars of Abington.He was on the night shift for many years and Smith of Maddiston trunkers used to be in the garage most nights getting repairs, mostly trailer lights,bulbs,wiper blades etc. I’ve been following the great debate about Guy big Js being fitted with 240 gardners.He confirmed to me that Smiths had a load of them,and when they stopped production they bought Seddons with the 240 engine. I would also like to say that the gardner engine at that time was most reliable and efficient.The mileages that these engines covered was unbelievable considering that engine oils were not as they are today.Anyone who thinks the Yanks could make anything close to Gardner should really be taken away with the men in white coats.
Welcome to the thread Mechanic youv’e been keeping stumm while all this controvesy has been raging !! I suppose I will have to accept that SOM did run some 240s but I don’t see how it was" loads" as Gardeners didn’t build a " load " and even then Guy’s were about 5th in line and only then if Leyland allowed them to have some !! I suppose there wasn’t much call to use a camera in the " middle of the Nicht " at Abingdon but it would be great if there was an old photy of one at Millars !! I hope that Carryfast reads your quote! but I’m afraid it will take a bigger lump hammer that youv’e got in your box to get thro’ to that guy !! Many thanks Bewick.
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off
Look here Carryfast what is it with you and Gardener engines did one fall on your head in earlier years or somthing as it would seem you are in need immediate help or at least some stronger medication ----- Nurse, nurse quickly and bring the straight jacket with you !!! Dispairingly Bewick.
Hi carryfast,
I can’t see the logic in championing a vehicle that is heavier on fuel,the whole point of running lorries is to make money.You might call a Gardner engined vehicle a heap or a Bosses moter,but most of the blokes that drove them were happy enough,at least they were reliable.Everyone wants to drive a nice comfortable lorry with bags of power,but at the end of the day,that vehicle has got to operate at a profit.
Cheers Dave.
More than 3.5 million engine sold versus how many gutless Gardners?.But why would 3.5 milllion customers want to buy a motor that would have financially ruined them?.It seems to me that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
yappie:
carryfast i think you must have a drink problem only 290 bhp out of a 14L.FORD TRANSCONTI 355 ■■■■■■■ BEDFORD TM HAD NTE370 These would all pass an 8LXB but the gardner would pass them on the fuel pump and most defanatley a detroit dennis i would say all the big js with 8LXBs will have been cut up for there engines cracking thread mate!!!The Gardner powered heap might have passed those at the fuel pump but only if the drivers of the Transconti or the Bedford took an hour off as well but if it had been a decent Detroit powered TM the driver could have taken two hours off
Look here Carryfast what is it with you and Gardener engines did one fall on your head in earlier years or somthing as it would seem you are in need immediate help or at least some stronger medication ----- Nurse, nurse quickly and bring the straight jacket with you !!! Dispairingly Bewick.
Hi carryfast,
I can’t see the logic in championing a vehicle that is heavier on fuel,the whole point of running lorries is to make money.You might call a Gardner engined vehicle a heap or a Bosses moter,but most of the blokes that drove them were happy enough,at least they were reliable.Everyone wants to drive a nice comfortable lorry with bags of power,but at the end of the day,that vehicle has got to operate at a profit.
Cheers Dave.More than 3.5 million engine sold versus how many gutless Gardners?.But why would 3.5 milllion customers want to buy a motor that would have financially ruined them?.It seems to me that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Nurse ,nurse who let Carryfast out of the Rubber room and I thought you were asked to up his medication, Matron, matron !!!
Hello i hope you dont mind me putting my 10 pence worth in i had the unluck to drive a guy demo for a few weeks i the early 70s and being rather on the tall side getting in the cab was an effort the seat never went back far enough and up or down for that matter the clutch was like rock and the gearstick had the range change button on one side and a clutch brake button on the other this in turn vibrated on your left thigh causing allsorts of pains and bruising and discouloring of the skin.Being tall you had to stoop forward to look under the sunvisors which inturn were fitted to some kind of glove box bolted to the roof after a day in a semi seated feutal position the best thing about the guy was getting out of it although that Gardner 240 was a lovely lump its just a shame that we could not get it into a good british chassis or cab…
The V8 d/d was heavy on fuel compared to a ■■■■■■■ never mind a gardener we had one in a Scammell Samson in 71 and I ran with it and drove it and when I was running with it in a 250 ■■■■■■■ Atki it would use around 30% more juice with the same loads on though it was a few ton heavier on tare weight, it was match to a 15 speed fuller where I had a 6 speed ZF and it could not get too far away and sometimes the ■■■■■■■ would out pull it this was on heavy haulage running around 60 tons gross. It ws not easy to run at half throttle with the D/D as you needed to keep the revs high where as the ■■■■■■■ was happy on half throttle when you could on flat running.
cheers Johnnie
Bewick:
The mechanic:
Hi Guys, I was speaking to my brother today,the two of us worked at Millars of Abington.He was on the night shift for many years and Smith of Maddiston trunkers used to be in the garage most nights getting repairs, mostly trailer lights,bulbs,wiper blades etc. I’ve been following the great debate about Guy big Js being fitted with 240 gardners.He confirmed to me that Smiths had a load of them,and when they stopped production they bought Seddons with the 240 engine. I would also like to say that the gardner engine at that time was most reliable and efficient.The mileages that these engines covered was unbelievable considering that engine oils were not as they are today.Anyone who thinks the Yanks could make anything close to Gardner should really be taken away with the men in white coats.Welcome to the thread Mechanic youv’e been keeping stumm while all this controvesy has been raging !! I suppose I will have to accept that SOM did run some 240s but I don’t see how it was" loads" as Gardeners didn’t build a " load " and even then Guy’s were about 5th in line and only then if Leyland allowed them to have some !! I suppose there wasn’t much call to use a camera in the " middle of the Nicht " at Abingdon but it would be great if there was an old photy of one at Millars !! I hope that Carryfast reads your quote! but I’m afraid it will take a bigger lump hammer that youv’e got in your box to get thro’ to that guy !! Many thanks Bewick.
Bewick was’nt it you yourself who said that anyone who worked on nights for a long time was a bit strange? If I remember rightly we would have been a bit worried about anyone who’d have said that they’d have preferred to take our Gardner powered yard shunter on a 400 mile night trunk instead of a DAF with nearly 300 horse let alone a 400 horse TM if we’d have been lucky enough to have had one But maybe we would’nt have thought that he was totally beyond help if it had that eight cylinder 240 Gardner in it.
phil the book:
Hello i hope you dont mind me putting my 10 pence worth in i had the unluck to drive a guy demo for a few weeks i the early 70s and being rather on the tall side getting in the cab was an effort the seat never went back far enough and up or down for that matter the clutch was like rock and the gearstick had the range change button on one side and a clutch brake button on the other this in turn vibrated on your left thigh causing allsorts of pains and bruising and discouloring of the skin.Being tall you had to stoop forward to look under the sunvisors which inturn were fitted to some kind of glove box bolted to the roof after a day in a semi seated feutal position the best thing about the guy was getting out of it although that Gardner 240 was a lovely lump its just a shame that we could not get it into a good british chassis or cab…
Hiya Phil now you know what Robson’s Foden drivers felt like they all had kinks in their necks from having to peep under the top edge of the screen !! However you must have had a Bummer of a Guy as I don’t recognise that description driving a Big J ! and I am 6ft tall ( or I used to be before the ravages of age took hold !!) and seriously did the Guy you had on demo really have an 240LXB fitted or are you just at the wind up !! I will agree that they wern’t over endowed with a lot of room but it was sufficient and if you were a short a***d Scotsman from Falkirk they were positively cavernous !!
sammyopisite:
The V8 d/d was heavy on fuel compared to a ■■■■■■■ never mind a gardener we had one in a Scammell Samson in 71 and I ran with it and drove it and when I was running with it in a 250 ■■■■■■■ Atki it would use around 30% more juice with the same loads on though it was a few ton heavier on tare weight, it was match to a 15 speed fuller where I had a 6 speed ZF and it could not get too far away and sometimes the ■■■■■■■ would out pull it this was on heavy haulage running around 60 tons gross. It ws not easy to run at half throttle with the D/D as you needed to keep the revs high where as the ■■■■■■■ was happy on half throttle when you could on flat running.
cheers Johnnie
Knowing British transport managers it was probably a non turbocharged 9 Litre 8V71being made to do the work of a turbocharged 14 Litre 12V71.So you’re probably saying that a 14 litre ■■■■■■■ needs less stick than a 9 Litre two stroke Diesel running on the flat.But a 250 ■■■■■■■ running at 60 tonnes gross? versus even a 300+ horse 8V71 Detroit let alone a 500 + horse 12V71 uphill at 60 tonnes no chance.But all Detroit two strokes produced their peak torque at around 1,000 rpm and peak power at around 2,000 rpm not really much different to most modern four strokes.The high revs myth is mainly just based on the engine note not the rev counter.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
The mechanic:
Hi Guys, I was speaking to my brother today,the two of us worked at Millars of Abington.He was on the night shift for many years and Smith of Maddiston trunkers used to be in the garage most nights getting repairs, mostly trailer lights,bulbs,wiper blades etc. I’ve been following the great debate about Guy big Js being fitted with 240 gardners.He confirmed to me that Smiths had a load of them,and when they stopped production they bought Seddons with the 240 engine. I would also like to say that the gardner engine at that time was most reliable and efficient.The mileages that these engines covered was unbelievable considering that engine oils were not as they are today.Anyone who thinks the Yanks could make anything close to Gardner should really be taken away with the men in white coats.Welcome to the thread Mechanic youv’e been keeping stumm while all this controvesy has been raging !! I suppose I will have to accept that SOM did run some 240s but I don’t see how it was" loads" as Gardeners didn’t build a " load " and even then Guy’s were about 5th in line and only then if Leyland allowed them to have some !! I suppose there wasn’t much call to use a camera in the " middle of the Nicht " at Abingdon but it would be great if there was an old photy of one at Millars !! I hope that Carryfast reads your quote! but I’m afraid it will take a bigger lump hammer that youv’e got in your box to get thro’ to that guy !! Many thanks Bewick.
Bewick was’nt it you yourself who said that anyone who worked on nights for a long time was a bit strange?
Look Carryfast you really are beyond help !! We once ran an 1968 F reg atky mk1 150 LX /DB6spd/BDR and it regularly covered 390 miles on its trunk (loaded both ways) and I regularly filled it up my-self and it used between 39 & 44/45 gal depending on the weather up and down the M6 – now that is what you call profitable operation my son!! Regards you Cab Happy Hero Bewick.
Carryfast this was nearly 40 years ago it was one of the first in this country and it was only rated at 290bhp at that time and needed to be pushed all the time but it was at the same time as the 240 gardener was out and we had an Atki with one in and matched to a ten speed fuller and that had a top speed of 38 mph against 46 for the ■■■■■■■ with 6 speed ZF and I know the D/D as been developed a lot since then.
cheers Johnnie