essexpete:
I thought the grill changes are more age related with the pre '72/73 (or thereabouts) having the horizontal bars in two built in grills. The later type appears to be a pressed or molded additional surround to the cab front with 2 mesh grills.
IIRC the front grille extensions were moulded fibreglass,but we’re quite thin in places making them susceptible to cracking.
David
Anyone noticed this on ebay.
Different grille types depending on Engine, it seems if you crashed your 240 you couldn’t get a replacement grille. 
Steve
vwvanman0:
210Anyone noticed this on ebay.
Different grille types depending on Engine, it seems if you crashed your 240 you couldn’t get a replacement grille.
Steve
Ha Ha 
, possible reason we cannot get the picture evidence of the additional 2 pots stuck out the back of the cab then! 
I’m certain Dennis will be happy to read this additional information to his armoury on this matter!! 
E.W .
vwvanman0:
210Anyone noticed this on ebay.
Different grille types depending on Engine, it seems if you crashed your 240 you couldn’t get a replacement grille.
Steve
Would that not be age related as well? I see a mention Gardner 6lw.
Would that not be age related as well? I see a mention Gardner 6lw.
I would think you mean 6LX, the Gardner 150. Yes this is age and weight related as the Big J got on in years and bigger engines were available and fitted as options which meant the grilles needed to change to allow for the bigger radiators. They managed this without spoiling the look and even improved it. Franky.
EW car truck & bus:
vwvanman0:
210Anyone noticed this on ebay.
Different grille types depending on Engine, it seems if you crashed your 240 you couldn’t get a replacement grille.
Steve
Ha Ha
I’m certain Dennis will be happy to read this additional information to his armoury on this matter!!
E.W
Absolutely E.W. there is no mention of the 240LXB on the page about grilles ! Every other engine used was mentioned eh ! Regards Dennis.
Geordielad:
Would that not be age related as well? I see a mention Gardner 6lw.I would think you mean 6LX, the Gardner 150. Yes this is age and weight related as the Big J got on in years and bigger engines were available and fitted as options which meant the grilles needed to change to allow for the bigger radiators. They managed this without spoiling the look and even improved it. Franky.
Yes, I didn’t read it properly!
Bewick:
EW car truck & bus:
vwvanman0:
210Anyone noticed this on ebay.
Different grille types depending on Engine, it seems if you crashed your 240 you couldn’t get a replacement grille.
Steve
Ha Ha
I’m certain Dennis will be happy to read this additional information to his armoury on this matter!!
E.W
Absolutely E.W. there is no mention of the 240LXB on the page about grilles ! Every other engine used was mentioned eh ! Regards Dennis.
The fact that neither the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ or the TL12 seems to be there might be a clue that even the bigger bores of the TL and the ■■■■■■■ 6 cylinders weren’t going to fit.
That leaves another possibility that the 240 got onto the spec sheet and was offered to customers before someone on the shop floor told the office it ain’t gonna fit when the orders came in.
Here’s a pic of that tractor unit but with a Gardner badge!!
flickr.com/photos/45676495@N05/5092659443
Edit: What happened to the page showing a J4T that was supposed to have a ■■■■■■■ 14l fitted?? I posted the comment above, returned to the page, and it had vanished.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
EW car truck & bus:
vwvanman0:
Anyone noticed this on ebay.Different grille types depending on Engine, it seems if you crashed your 240 you couldn’t get a replacement grille.
Steve
Ha Ha
I’m certain Dennis will be happy to read this additional information to his armoury on this matter!!
E.W
Absolutely E.W. there is no mention of the 240LXB on the page about grilles ! Every other engine used was mentioned eh ! Regards Dennis.
The fact that neither the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ or the TL12 seems to be there might be a clue that even the bigger bores of the TL and the ■■■■■■■ 6 cylinders weren’t going to fit.
That leaves another possibility that the 240 got onto the spec sheet and was offered to customers before someone on the shop floor told the office it ain’t gonna fit when the orders came in.
I suspect that list was specifically for smaller engines, as all larger options are omitted. Plenty of Big-Js had the ■■■■■■■ 14-litre, either as an NTC 335 or the 250.
Dennis Javelin:
Here’s a pic of that tractor unit but with a Gardner badge!!flickr.com/photos/45676495@N05/5092659443
Edit: What happened to the page showing a J4T that was supposed to have a ■■■■■■■ 14l fitted?? I posted the comment above, returned to the page, and it had vanished.
Yes it was a Gardner 
. That’s why I had already removed the post and replaced it with another saying the same thing but without using the erroneous example
ERF-NGC-European:
Dennis Javelin:
Here’s a pic of that tractor unit but with a Gardner badge!!flickr.com/photos/45676495@N05/5092659443
Edit: What happened to the page showing a J4T that was supposed to have a ■■■■■■■ 14l fitted?? I posted the comment above, returned to the page, and it had vanished.
Yes it was a Gardner
Thank goodness for that, I thought I’d entered a parallel universe 
Whilst we’re on the subject though was this a very late reg unit or was it re-registered at a later date? The “B” prefix seems rather late, I thought production stopped around 1979/80.
ERF-NGC-European:
Carryfast:
The fact that neither the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ or the TL12 seems to be there might be a clue that even the bigger bores of the TL and the ■■■■■■■ 6 cylinders weren’t going to fit.
That leaves another possibility that the 240 got onto the spec sheet and was offered to customers before someone on the shop floor told the office it ain’t gonna fit when the orders came in.I suspect that list was specifically for smaller engines, as all larger options are omitted. Plenty of Big-Js had the ■■■■■■■ 14-litre, either as an NTC 335 or the 250.
10
^ Seems to suggest that the larger engine options were specifically related to the 44t 3 axle study which obviously didn’t happen ?.
Nothing there which confirms the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ being used in the 4x2 configuration ?.
Bearing in mind that even 6 140mm cylinders probably doesn’t equate to the block length required for 8 Gardner cylinders including their coolant passageways and jackets.
Obviously no mention of using the 760/TL12 either way in 3 or 2 axle units which adds to the questions.
Dennis Javelin:
ERF-NGC-European:
Dennis Javelin:
Here’s a pic of that tractor unit but with a Gardner badge!!flickr.com/photos/45676495@N05/5092659443
Edit: What happened to the page showing a J4T that was supposed to have a ■■■■■■■ 14l fitted?? I posted the comment above, returned to the page, and it had vanished.
Yes it was a Gardner
Thank goodness for that, I thought I’d entered a parallel universe
Yes, it had been laid up, hence the late B-plate. It had a six-pot Gardner and a 9sp Fuller.
Carryfast:
ERF-NGC-European:
Carryfast:
The fact that neither the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ or the TL12 seems to be there might be a clue that even the bigger bores of the TL and the ■■■■■■■ 6 cylinders weren’t going to fit.
That leaves another possibility that the 240 got onto the spec sheet and was offered to customers before someone on the shop floor told the office it ain’t gonna fit when the orders came in.I suspect that list was specifically for smaller engines, as all larger options are omitted. Plenty of Big-Js had the ■■■■■■■ 14-litre, either as an NTC 335 or the 250.
10
^ Seems to suggest that the larger engine options were specifically related to the 44t 3 axle study which obviously didn’t happen ?.
Nothing there which confirms the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ being used in the 4x2 configuration ?.
Bearing in mind that even 6 140mm cylinders probably doesn’t equate to the block length required for 8 Gardner cylinders including their coolant passageways and jackets.
Obviously no mention of using the 760/TL12 either way in 3 or 2 axle units which adds to the questions.
It doesn’t matter what’s written there: I can put lots of pictures on here of 4x2 Guys with 14ltr ■■■■■■■ in them. Pickfords & RJ Crisp ran them for a start.
ERF-NGC-European:
It doesn’t matter what’s written there: I can put lots of pictures on here of 4x2 Guys with 14ltr ■■■■■■■ in them. Pickfords & RJ Crisp ran them for a start.
Firstly I don’t think that there are any outward identifying badges etc which would denote the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ being fitted ?.
Also strangely there are used adverts in CM archives that just state ■■■■■■■ not the difference between 220 v 250 etc which surely would have been important information.As though only the 220 was fitted/offered at that point ?.
While we do know that the AEC 760/TL12 wasn’t fitted in it for ‘some’ reason ?.
As stated before we need the measurement from the radiator to the diff input flange of the 4x2 BigJ v the fan to fuller output flange of the 8lxb engine and trans assembly to find out if it would have all even fitted leaving space for the propshaft.At least without extending the chassis rails which obviously wouldn’t have been economic.
It’s a good bet that if anyone needed 250+ in their BigJ then the Rolls was the default option in being able to fit where a 6 cylinder Gardner would fit length and width wise.
While it’s possible that the 8lxb BigJ dream ended with the finished cabs with their 240 badges already stuck on them and their 8lxb engines waiting to be fitted in the chassis of the orders and someone standing there with a tape measure saying oh zb.
Carryfast:
ERF-NGC-European:
It doesn’t matter what’s written there: I can put lots of pictures on here of 4x2 Guys with 14ltr ■■■■■■■ in them. Pickfords & RJ Crisp ran them for a start.Firstly I don’t think that there are any outward identifying badges etc which would denote the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ being fitted ?.
Also strangely there are used adverts in CM archives that just state ■■■■■■■ not the difference between 220 v 250 etc which surely would have been important information.As though only the 220 was fitted/offered at that point ?.
While we do know that the AEC 760/TL12 wasn’t fitted in it for ‘some’ reason ?.
As stated before we need the measurement from the radiator to the diff input flange of the 4x2 BigJ v the fan to fuller output flange of the 8lxb engine and trans assembly to find out if it would have all even fitted leaving space for the propshaft.At least without extending the chassis rails which obviously wouldn’t have been economic.
It’s a good bet that if anyone needed 250+ in their BigJ then the Rolls was the default option in being able to fit where a 6 cylinder Gardner would fit length and width wise.
While it’s possible that the 8lxb BigJ dream ended with the finished cabs with their 240 badges already stuck on them and their 8lxb engines waiting to be fitted in the chassis of the orders and someone standing there with a tape measure saying oh zb.
Most lorries of that period didn’t have a badge saying what their power output was. What we do know is that some Big-Js were fitted with 14-ltr ■■■■■■■ 335s or 250s. Here are some of them for starters:
ERF-NGC-European:
Carryfast:
ERF-NGC-European:
It doesn’t matter what’s written there: I can put lots of pictures on here of 4x2 Guys with 14ltr ■■■■■■■ in them. Pickfords & RJ Crisp ran them for a start.Firstly I don’t think that there are any outward identifying badges etc which would denote the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ being fitted ?.
Also strangely there are used adverts in CM archives that just state ■■■■■■■ not the difference between 220 v 250 etc which surely would have been important information.As though only the 220 was fitted/offered at that point ?.
While we do know that the AEC 760/TL12 wasn’t fitted in it for ‘some’ reason ?.
As stated before we need the measurement from the radiator to the diff input flange of the 4x2 BigJ v the fan to fuller output flange of the 8lxb engine and trans assembly to find out if it would have all even fitted leaving space for the propshaft.At least without extending the chassis rails which obviously wouldn’t have been economic.
It’s a good bet that if anyone needed 250+ in their BigJ then the Rolls was the default option in being able to fit where a 6 cylinder Gardner would fit length and width wise.
While it’s possible that the 8lxb BigJ dream ended with the finished cabs with their 240 badges already stuck on them and their 8lxb engines waiting to be fitted in the chassis of the orders and someone standing there with a tape measure saying oh zb.Most lorries of that period didn’t have a badge saying what their power output was. What we do know is that some Big-Js were fitted with 14-ltr ■■■■■■■ 335s or 250s. Here are some of them for starters:
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Firstly it seems impossible to find any contemporary stated evidence of the 250-335 small cam being specced in the 4x2 BigJ in the day.Such as used ads ?.
While these figures might help.
Overall length of the 855 small cam was 59 inches added to 28 inches for 9 speed Fuller ?.
So over 7 feet + prop shaft.
Overall length of the 8lxb was over 8 feet added to the 2ft 4’’ of the Fuller call it 10’ 6’’ + the prop shaft 1’6’’ maybe more ?.
How long have we got between the rad and the diff input flange ?.
Call it the wheelbase + 2 feet at best propably less.
I just read yesterday reference the change in Big J grilles, the reason for this wasn’t just to accommodate a larger radiator with a larger engine being fitted but a small oil cooler was fitted in front of the rad and that’s why the grille needed to protrude a little more. Also on 14lt ■■■■■■■ being fitted I have a GUY brochure page from 1975 that states the 4x2 Big J in the photo (a white cab with green bumper, wings and wheels, this was to point out that Leyland named the GUY range the ‘Greenline’ along with the other named ‘coloured’ ranges in the group) came with the NH 220 or NH 250, now that wouldn’t be said if they couldn’t fit the 250 into the chassis and we have to remember back in 1971 the eight wheel wagon and drag unit prototype they planned for Euro markets at 56 Ton Gross Combination had the ■■■■■■■ 350 fitted. At the same date GUY introduced the 265bhp Turbo Rolls Eagle engine 4x2 tractor with extended grille, so if they could fit that engine why not the ■■■■■■■ too or indeed the 240 Gardner! Franky.
Geordielad:
I just read yesterday reference the change in Big J grilles, the reason for this wasn’t just to accommodate a larger radiator with a larger engine being fitted but a small oil cooler was fitted in front of the rad and that’s why the grille needed to protrude a little more. Also on 14lt ■■■■■■■ being fitted I have a GUY brochure page from 1975 that states the 4x2 Big J in the photo (a white cab with green bumper, wings and wheels, this was to point out that Leyland named the GUY range the ‘Greenline’ along with the other named ‘coloured’ ranges in the group) came with the NH 220 or NH 250, now that wouldn’t be said if they couldn’t fit the 250 into the chassis and we have to remember back in 1971 the eight wheel wagon and drag unit prototype they planned for Euro markets at 56 Ton Gross Combination had the ■■■■■■■ 350 fitted. At the same date GUY introduced the 265bhp Turbo Rolls Eagle engine 4x2 tractor with extended grille, so if they could fit that engine why not the ■■■■■■■ too or indeed the 240 Gardner! Franky.
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