Atkinson & ERF both showed vehicles at Earls Court in 1970 with the 8LXB engine. 
Foden 1970.
Atkinson & ERF both showed vehicles at Earls Court in 1970 with the 8LXB engine.
That’s right Dean, I put the Foden twin steer info on here a little while back, the above was answering Dennis’ query about the 71 Shows. The Atkinson, Foden, ERF 1970 show vehicles were hopefull projects of an increase in weight regulations to the proposed 38Ton GCW that in the end by 1972 didn’t materialise, but they did get the attention of some of the bigger companies. No idea how many of the three makes were sold up to the point when the weight increase never happened but the buyers possibly regretted it as they would have had new 36/38 Ton rated machines for a weight they couldn’t pull until another decade had passed by which time some of them would have been ready for or already gone to the knackers yard. I wonder how much of a hole this put in not only the hauliers finances but the manufacturers too. Franky.
Frankydobo:
I believe, the exception of Foden who were the only manufacturer to exhibit an 8LXB Unit . But I will stand corrected on my recollection !That’s right Dennis it was the 71 Kelvin Show and the unit was a Kaye Goodfellow six wheel 75 Ton tractor, 12 speed box and double drive rear bogie. The all steel S.41 cab had the front panel extended to house the high capacity radiator. Interestingly in the 72 Earls Court Show Foden exhibited three vehicles with ■■■■■■■■ Rolls Royce and Gardner engines, only it was the 6LXB and in an eight wheeler. Even well after the introduction of the 8LXB it seems Foden fitted more 6LXB’s into their models and ■■■■■■■ BHP ratings were also up to and over 320 by mid 70’s, with Rolls engined models also being exhibited right up until the 1980 takeover by Paccar, the 8LXB didn’t seem to be promoted by Foden again since the 71 Kelvin Show. Franky.
This is my Dad and this Gardner 8LXB A series ERF was on the ERF stand at the 1971
Kelvin Hall Motor Show
It was the first A Series ERF in Scotland to have the “240” fitted
It’s clear from the twin steer pic that an 8LXB ain’t going to fit in a 6x4 chassis at least.
windrush:
A few years ago one of the family members who ran Moss and Lovatt Transport from Rushden Spencer near Leek came and gave a talk and slide show at our club. One Big J clearly had a GARDNER 240 badge on the grille and when the show ended I asked Nigel Moss about it! He said that he had never noticed that but assured me that it would be the driver who added it and they never ran any.Alas we don’t know which engine this was fitted with, NMP
Pete.
Here is another picture of what appears to the sister of the one on show but with a ■■■■■■■ engine,but note that this one does not benefit with the grille extension,so unlikely to be an engine larger than a 220.
David
Well this one appears to be a shorter wheel base plus its fuel tank must be on the opposite side, I dont think it would have had a 220 engine of any kind, Of course this is just my humble oppinion, 
, Regards Larry.
Getting back to the good old Gardner 8 LX Engine I remember Claben Kippers Ltd. Had a one in a Atki artic unit, They used to do a change over at Lawsons Cafe at Londonderry which sadley is closed now, This was about 1959/60, Their motors were a pale Yellow colour IIRC, Pollocks used to do a change over too in those good old days, 
,Regards Larry.
Well now then! I appear to have “flushed out” posts that claim that all three of the Premium manufactures exhibited pre launch 8LXB Chassis at the 1970 Commercial Vehicle Shows-- Thanks ! But can I ask where was the 8LXB Big J Chassis ? 
Oh dear I do not believe that Guy Motors would have never even figured when Gardners were allocating ,probably, the only three 8LXB’s they had got ready for this auspicious occasion ! Cheers Bewick.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Getting back to the good old Gardner 8 LX Engine I remember Claben Kippers Ltd. Had a one in a Atki artic unit, They used to do a change over at Lawsons Cafe at Londonderry which sadley is closed now, This was about 1959/60, Their motors were a pale Yellow colour IIRC, Pollocks used to do a change over too in those good old days,
Now then Larry you have possibly started the makings of a new thread here with talk of a “Claben Kippers” 8LX Atkinson unit circa 1959/60 ? 
I just bet you scrounged a dozen or so of these tasty “morsels” my mouth is wattering !! Hope you and yours are keeping well Regards Dennis.
Bewick:
Lawrence Dunbar:
Getting back to the good old Gardner 8 LX Engine I remember Claben Kippers Ltd. Had a one in a Atki artic unit, They used to do a change over at Lawsons Cafe at Londonderry which sadley is closed now, This was about 1959/60, Their motors were a pale Yellow colour IIRC, Pollocks used to do a change over too in those good old days,Now then Larry you have possibly started the makings of a new thread here with talk of a “Claben Kippers” 8LX Atkinson unit circa 1959/60 ?
I just bet you scrounged a dozen or so of these tasty “morsels” my mouth is wattering !! Hope you and yours are keeping well Regards Dennis.
Thanks Dennis , We are both keeping well, The only Kippers that I savour these days are from Craster I get fro m a local shop at Milkhope not far from Ponteland, , I quite enjoy them for brekkie topped with jam , Strawberry of course, Nowt but the best for an old wagon driver Eh, , Take care & stay safe, Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Bewick:
Lawrence Dunbar:
Getting back to the good old Gardner 8 LX Engine I remember Claben Kippers Ltd. Had a one in a Atki artic unit, They used to do a change over at Lawsons Cafe at Londonderry which sadley is closed now, This was about 1959/60, Their motors were a pale Yellow colour IIRC, Pollocks used to do a change over too in those good old days,Now then Larry you have possibly started the makings of a new thread here with talk of a “Claben Kippers” 8LX Atkinson unit circa 1959/60 ?
I just bet you scrounged a dozen or so of these tasty “morsels” my mouth is wattering !! Hope you and yours are keeping well Regards Dennis.Thanks Dennis , We are both keeping well, The only Kippers that I savour these days are from Craster I get fro m a local shop at Milkhope not far from Ponteland, , I quite enjoy them for brekkie topped with jam
Howay now Larry " Strawberry Jam " on Kippers !!! Whats that all about then ■■ Ye have some peculiar eating habits up yonder !! I have a couple of poached eggs on mine which are either from the IOM or Arbroath ( when we can get them) !! Ye will be putting watter in your Single malt next I can see the coming !!! Cheers Dennis.
Dennis water is for washing & radiators, & Defo not to put into my fave Malts, Only when the crystal rummer is MT, & Going to be cleansed for the next session , , Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Well this one appears to be a shorter wheel base plus its fuel tank must be on the opposite side, I dont think it would have had a 220 engine of any kind, Of course this is just my humble oppinion,
Sorry Larry,I don’t see the relevance of the shorter wheel base and a 220 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ is a ■■■■■■■ badge of the lower centre of the grille,before I went onto nights with a big Percy powered Guy,I was tramping with a couple of different 220 or 205 (IIRC)■■■■■■■ powered Guy’s.
David
Lawrence Dunbar:
Well this one appears to be a shorter wheel base plus its fuel tank must be on the opposite side, I dont think it would have had a 220 engine of any kind, Of course this is just my humble oppinion,
Hiya Larry, I had a butchers on the SOM photo site and I found one of the O/S of that unit and it had the same size tank as the Show unit so I reckon they were both the same WB but for some reason the tanks were on opposite sides ! another conundrum ! As for the engines I tend to think that they were both fitted with the 220 ■■■■■■■ and it would be interesting to learn what G/box they had as I’m not sure when the Fuller boxes first appeared but they could have had the 6 spd ZF box ?. Also I wonder what the double drive was,? Eaton maybe? as from the shots it doesn’t look like its a Guy DD.
Just my thoughts others will have different ideas maybe ! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Lawrence Dunbar:
Well this one appears to be a shorter wheel base plus its fuel tank must be on the opposite side, I dont think it would have had a 220 engine of any kind, Of course this is just my humble oppinion,Hiya Larry, I had a butchers on the SOM photo site and I found one of the O/S of that unit and it had the same size tank as the Show unit so I reckon they were both the same WB but for some reason the tanks were on opposite sides ! another conundrum ! As for the engines I tend to think that they were both fitted with the 220 ■■■■■■■ and it would be interesting to learn what G/box they had as I’m not sure when the Fuller boxes first appeared but they could have had the 6 spd ZF box ?. Also I wonder what the double drive was,? Eaton maybe? as from the shots it doesn’t look like its a Guy DD.
Just my thoughts others will have different ideas maybe ! Cheers Dennis.
If it helps Dennis,all the Guy’s I drove for SoM had the Fuller RoadRanger box in them.
5thwheel:
Bewick:
Lawrence Dunbar:
Well this one appears to be a shorter wheel base plus its fuel tank must be on the opposite side, I dont think it would have had a 220 engine of any kind, Of course this is just my humble oppinion,Hiya Larry, I had a butchers on the SOM photo site and I found one of the O/S of that unit and it had the same size tank as the Show unit so I reckon they were both the same WB but for some reason the tanks were on opposite sides ! another conundrum ! As for the engines I tend to think that they were both fitted with the 220 ■■■■■■■ and it would be interesting to learn what G/box they had as I’m not sure when the Fuller boxes first appeared but they could have had the 6 spd ZF box ?. Also I wonder what the double drive was,? Eaton maybe? as from the shots it doesn’t look like its a Guy DD.
Just my thoughts others will have different ideas maybe ! Cheers Dennis.If it helps Dennis,all the Guy’s I drove for SoM had the Fuller RoadRanger box in them.
Well David those two 6 wheeler Big J’s were F reg and I don’t think that the Fuller boxes appeared until about 1970/1 and I can agree that the 205/220 ■■■■■■■ usually had the 610 box behind them and the 240LXB/250 ■■■■■■■ Chassis got the 95909 larger box. But exceptionally we had one 1974 Borderer with the ■■■■■■■ 220 engine but with the 95909 box !!! I reckon it must have been the only box left on the Friday afternoon at Walton -le- Dale so they stuck it into this Borderer along with a Kirkstall D 85 HR axle ! 
Cheers Dennis.
I thought Guys made their own axles that looked like Eatons for double drives .
I’ve got a pic of an SOM GUY six wheel tractor as the one in the show shot, can’t say if its the same one, the GUY lettering looks to be white where the one in the show pic has a dark filling to the lettering and the Thistle badge on the grille isn’t on this one, apart from that they look exactly the same dimensions, maybe somebody knows how many Heavy Haulage units they ran. However the engine is quoted as being a 14lt 252bhp ■■■■■■■ and 9 Speed Roadranger box with options of 270 and 310bhp engines. The other six wheel unit is an earlier build F Reg (LMS Oct 67-Jan 68) with the earlier grille. The extended grille was said to have been done for the bigger capacity radiators of the Turbocharged ■■■■■■■ and Rolls engines (no mention of the 8LXB) so the F Reg could well have had an Naturally Aspirated engine or just didn’t need the bigger cap rad then. Franky.
Bewick:
5thwheel:
Bewick:
Lawrence Dunbar:
Well this one appears to be a shorter wheel base plus its fuel tank must be on the opposite side, I dont think it would have had a 220 engine of any kind, Of course this is just my humble oppinion,Hiya Larry, I had a butchers on the SOM photo site and I found one of the O/S of that unit and it had the same size tank as the Show unit so I reckon they were both the same WB but for some reason the tanks were on opposite sides ! another conundrum ! As for the engines I tend to think that they were both fitted with the 220 ■■■■■■■ and it would be interesting to learn what G/box they had as I’m not sure when the Fuller boxes first appeared but they could have had the 6 spd ZF box ?. Also I wonder what the double drive was,? Eaton maybe? as from the shots it doesn’t look like its a Guy DD.
Just my thoughts others will have different ideas maybe ! Cheers Dennis.If it helps Dennis,all the Guy’s I drove for SoM had the Fuller RoadRanger box in them.
Well David those two 6 wheeler Big J’s were F reg and I don’t think that the Fuller boxes appeared until about 1970/1 and I can agree that the 205/220 ■■■■■■■ usually had the 610 box behind them and the 240LXB/250 ■■■■■■■ Chassis got the 95909 larger box. But exceptionally we had one 1974 Borderer with the ■■■■■■■ 220 engine but with the 95909 box !!! I reckon it must have been the only box left on the Friday afternoon at Walton -le- Dale so they stuck it into this Borderer along with a Kirkstall D 85 HR axle !
I worked for a couple of years for a local plant hire company. The low loader was a G-reg Big J with ■■■■■■■ and 10-speed Fuller. The range change was on the side of the gearknob and there was an air-operated clutch brake operated by a small button let into the top of the knob. I often wondered if it was a one-off as I never encountered another to this spec. Any ideas?
Retired Old ■■■■:
If it helps Dennis,all the Guy’s I drove for SoM had the Fuller RoadRanger box in them.
Well David those two 6 wheeler Big J’s were F reg and I don’t think that the Fuller boxes appeared until about 1970/1 and I can agree that the 205/220 ■■■■■■■ usually had the 610 box behind them and the 240LXB/250 ■■■■■■■ Chassis got the 95909 larger box. But exceptionally we had one 1974 Borderer with the ■■■■■■■ 220 engine but with the 95909 box !!! I reckon it must have been the only box left on the Friday afternoon at Walton -le- Dale so they stuck it into this Borderer along with a Kirkstall D 85 HR axle ! Cheers Dennis.
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I worked for a couple of years for a local plant hire company. The low loader was a G-reg Big J with ■■■■■■■ and 10-speed Fuller. The range change was on the side of the gearknob and there was an air-operated clutch brake operated by a small button let into the top of the knob. I often wondered if it was a one-off as I never encountered another to this spec. Any ideas?
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Yes. Apparently they used these in some Big-Js. This Richard Stanier picture shows one with a 9-sp Fuller in a Big-J equipped with a 290 ■■■■■■■■ Ro
