Grassbag culture

The more big name companies I seem to go in to these days the more I see these posters littering the walls about reporting incidents.

Report any suspicious behaviour, safety starts with you and encouraging people to report even ‘minor’ incidents all with pictures of people smiling and holding hands in the background.

My point is when did it become encouraged to dig out the folk you work with and encourage the backstabbing for what could and most probably be the most trivial ■■■■■■■■. Would love to see the ■■■■■■■■ that dream up some of these programs get collared by them themselves.

Has anyone that works for one of these big firms been caught out by their footsoilders or find they are walking on eggshells?

I’ve only worked for small firms and found that the trusting common sense attitude seems to work instead of threats on a bit of paper plastered all over the place

i work for a building supplier , they introduced a system where you fill a card in to report anything you regard as unsafe (near miss card), the manager then looks at it and takes action . the card and its response then goes on the notice board so everyone can learn from it . basically it was a tell tale ■■■ card. you post a trivial complaint about me and i watch you like a hawk and almost break my neck rushing to post something about you. absolute load o ■■■■ ,did nothing but cause trouble. ended up with A not speaking to B who wasnt speaking to C etc .certain yard staff wouldnt load certain drivers and vice versa. thankfully the biggest ■■■■ stirrers left and things are reasonably good these days .

The problem comes not from the actual reporting or “grassing” its how that information is used. As far as transport goes, it seems to be very much the management want to catch drivers and warehouse staff out and give them disciplinaries.

However, in the Chemical manufacturing place that my Mrs works as a scientist and previous workplaces she has been at in the scientific sector, it is used to start conversations on how safety practices can be improved and how best to look after employees to mitigate risk and make sure it doesnt happen again. Obviously major things would be a disciplinary, but the smaller things are taken as a what can we learn from this.

Was going to post something very similar to what Furzat said - its not the reporting of the problem its the way that its dealt with or knowing the way that it is dealt with.

If I was aware that people would get into trouble for something minor I’d just ignore it but if I knew that it would be viewed with a pragmatic approach of making things better then I’d be tempted to mention stuff.

Unfortunately in this industry its more often the former which is odd as I’d argue you get better results with more engagement between more people (why don’t we do it thisbway as opposed to this is how we’ve always done it etc)

Fuzrat:
The problem comes not from the actual reporting or “grassing” its how that information is used. As far as transport goes, it seems to be very much the management want to catch drivers and warehouse staff out and give them disciplinaries.

However, in the Chemical manufacturing place that my Mrs works as a scientist and previous workplaces she has been at in the scientific sector, it is used to start conversations on how safety practices can be improved and how best to look after employees to mitigate risk and make sure it doesnt happen again. Obviously major things would be a disciplinary, but the smaller things are taken as a what can we learn from this.

Exactly how it should be done.
Not as the previous post describing a bunch of people with “chips on their shoulders”.
Management have a duty to root out vindictive or pointless complaints, but drivers who want to be called professionals need to open to criticism too. Not just an egotistical refusal to look at themselves.

It ain’t so much the modern management that I hate who dreams up all this crap, we know what they are and where we stand with them…although they are bad enough.
It’s more the arse wipes which co.operate with this stuff go along with it and implement it…fellow colleague employees. :smiling_imp:
The decent ones amongst us just treat it with the contempt it deserves with a ‘‘Aye, and ■■■■ that’’ attitude.
It’s the others who I hate with a vengeance and who I would take great pleasure in watching them suffer a slow horrible death. :imp:
You know who you are,.and shame you. :bulb:

robroy:
It ain’t so much the modern management that I hate who dreams up all this crap, we know what they are and where we stand with them…although they are bad enough.
It’s more the arse wipes which co.operate with this stuff go along with it and implement it…fellow colleague employees. :smiling_imp:
The decent ones amongst us just treat it with the contempt it deserves with a ‘‘Aye, and [zb] that’’ attitude.
It’s the others who I hate with a vengeance and who I would take great pleasure in watching them suffer a slow horrible death. :imp:
You know who you are,.and shame you. :bulb:

Super grasses end up as agency drivers :laughing:

syramax:
i work for a building supplier , they introduced a system where you fill a card in to report anything you regard as unsafe (near miss card), the manager then looks at it and takes action . the card and its response then goes on the notice board so everyone can learn from it . basically it was a tell tale ■■■ card. you post a trivial complaint about me and i watch you like a hawk and almost break my neck rushing to post something about you. absolute load o [zb] ,did nothing but cause trouble. ended up with A not speaking to B who wasnt speaking to C etc .certain yard staff wouldnt load certain drivers and vice versa. thankfully the biggest [zb] stirrers left and things are reasonably good these days .

This is exactly the outcome I imagine would come from it. In fact the only real outcome and creating a toxic atmosphere unless like you say, it weeds out the pricks that do it and leaves the decent ones that ignore it

Some of it is management trying to make it look like they are being “proactive”, so when there’s an accident and HSE get involved, they can show all the procedures they have in place.

Of course HSE aren’t stupid and can see through all the b/s, but the second part is to justify and protect their jobs by passing the buck, usually to the injured party.

What most don’t realise is they have to act on these highlighted problems. If they start this, find all the dangerous walkways, doors opening too close to forktrucks amd anything wrong with the site. Get everyone to do this weekly and see how fast it disappears.

We have all seen it coming.
Plod came and charged me with DD offence, long story, but all based on a road commander furnishing dash cam evidence of my vehicle.
No research, or questions asked, just the charge.
Due to appear April 2021 ( 14 months after event)
We must be seen as easy pickings.

ringfur:
We have all seen it coming.
Plod came and charged me with DD offence, long story, but all based on a road commander furnishing dash cam evidence of my vehicle.
No research, or questions asked, just the charge.
Due to appear April 2021 ( 14 months after event)
We must be seen as easy pickings.

Without providing a positive breath sample… :laughing: :smiley: :unamused:

Grass bags aye kf them all.many many yrs back i was on a company muck away job just our own wagons and machine operators at both end just a two mile each way job and repeat. Well mid afternoon I came in to load and plod was waiting to do me on “insecure load” a car had came through the site and smashed his gearbox ( old Talbot). Seems plod had asked another driver and pointed finger at me , because I was the youngest and the older drivers would have said something!! . I denied it the machine man and flag man saw nothing so after a warning from plod on my way again.A real eye opener for me on drivers throwing other “friends” under the bus.( was my first driving job and had worked as a machine operator for three yrs with these backstabers)

thehighlandscot:
The more big name companies I seem to go in to these days the more I see these posters littering the walls about reporting incidents.

Report any suspicious behaviour, safety starts with you and encouraging people to report even ‘minor’ incidents all with pictures of people smiling and holding hands in the background.

My point is when did it become encouraged to dig out the folk you work with and encourage the backstabbing for what could and most probably be the most trivial [zb]. Would love to see the [zb] that dream up some of these programs get collared by them themselves.

Has anyone that works for one of these big firms been caught out by their footsoilders or find they are walking on eggshells?

I’ve only worked for small firms and found that the trusting common sense attitude seems to work instead of threats on a bit of paper plastered all over the place

Sounds like a Malcolm depot… full of “Yes” men and two-faced bellends. I’ve worked for a couple of small companies and you always felt like part of the family. The big companies, you’re just a backside on a seat, doesn’t matter if you destroy gates every manouvre or have an accident free driving year, you’re all treated the same.

We are expected to fill in “near miss” forms at least once a month for anything. Even if there is nothing to report.

Ive been there over 18 months after being TUPE’d and not filled one in.