truckerjon:
It won’t happen here, Tesco won’t like it!
no they wont allow it to happen, they have a seat on the board at brussels 
would that also mean the end of teardrop bodies as the rigids at out place fitted with them are 13’6 
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Santa:
To put the arguement that truck sizes should be reduced to create more jobs is ridiculous. The idea is to cut traffic and cut pollution. More lorries = more of both which would be bad for us all.Maybe we should go back to 38 tonnes as well and 24 pallet trailers; that would create even more jobs… Or would it just make rail freight more appealing?
Agreed. More lorries because of smaller trailers = prices of everything goes up …yet again
TC
The_Catman:
Santa:
Agreed. More lorries because of smaller trailers = prices of everything goes up …yet againTC
Because Tesco could not possibly absorb the extra costs when they only made £3.4 billion last year… they are so hard up that I have noticed they get you to scan your own shopping nowadays, rather than them employing somebody to do it… every little helps!
hitch:
car transporters can run at 4 metres
just not with 11/12 cars
autologic.co.uk/european-ope … nl-profile
sorry, i should have been more specific.
i’ve seen the double deck transporters, running round europe.
it will def effect the multi-deck operators, ecm, and the like.
All large businesses seem to work on the “let’s employ as few people as possible” basis.
Outsource the manufacture to China, the transport to Romania and Bulgaria, even the bloke on the gate was a Vietnamese until Tesco worked out that an intercom system was cheaper than even him…
So it’s more efficient for the time being, and it makes a few people rich, but if people aren’t working and spending here, then the money-go-round is just going to grind to a halt.
Someone was moaning earlier in the thread about the extra 12" higher CoG containers have when on sliders. This is actually BS as they are not any higher than a fixed skelly. The slider part sits recessed beneath the level of the trailer tyre guards so it makes no odds as the deck where the container sits still just clears the tyre guard tops, exactly the same on a fixed skelly and hence why your overall height is still 13’6 with a standard box on and has the same CoG.
ETA: In fact it was Malc! 
Rob K:
Someone was moaning earlier in the thread about the extra 12" higher CoG containers have when on sliders. This is actually BS as they are not any higher than a fixed skelly. The slider part sits recessed beneath the level of the trailer tyre guards so it makes no odds as the deck where the container sits still just clears the tyre guard tops, exactly the same on a fixed skelly and hence why your overall height is still 13’6 with a standard box on and has the same CoG.ETA: In fact it was Malc!
I think Malc was just pointing out that the same container will ride about a foot lower ( 30cm for the youngsters) when it is on a Dutch haulier’s skelly as opposed to a British haulier’s.
steadymabo:
Rob K:
merc0447:
4 meters (13’1) is ridiculousIf the height is only 13’1 in EUland then how do they transport shipping containers?
On low ride skelly trailers, where the bottom of the container is about 2 inches above the drive tyres
and the back of the trailer extends for a 45ft container unlike in the middle in the uk, length laws are a bit more lax abroad so running a longer trailer doesnt bother the police unlike back home in blighty
Just for Rob K, the top two lorries will go under a 13’ 1’’ tunnel
The bottom two wont, can you see the difference Rob?
Wheel Nut:
Just for Rob K, the top two lorries will go under a 13’ 1’’ tunnelThe bottom two wont, can you see the difference Rob?
The bottom two have got trailer chassis which look like they were built by bridge builders where the couplings are
Yes, you have selectively chosen your pictures. Some sliders sit higher than others, same for fixed skellies. When I was at S&L we had 2 fixed 40fters and there was no obvious difference between the ride reight of those and the sliders. In fact both of them would fit under a 12’9 marked bridge in Ravensthorpe with a standard box on the back so I am still of the opinion that your 12" higher CoG is greatly exaggerated Mr. M ! 
Rob K:
Yes, you have selectively chosen your pictures. Some sliders sit higher than others, same for fixed skellies. When I was at S&L we had 2 fixed 40fters and there was no obvious difference between the ride reight of those and the sliders. In fact both of them would fit under a 12’9 marked bridge in Ravensthorpe with a standard box on the back so I am still of the opinion that your 12" higher CoG is greatly exaggerated Mr. M !
You sound like my missus, so 6 or 8’’ then
But on your travels just have a look at a Dutch or Belgium spec skelly and see where the box sits and the thickness of the chassis, most continental manufacturers use the container stiffness for the strength, hence the reason for screw tight twist locks rather than what we normally use.
Wheel Nut:
Rob K:
Yes, you have selectively chosen your pictures. Some sliders sit higher than others, same for fixed skellies. When I was at S&L we had 2 fixed 40fters and there was no obvious difference between the ride reight of those and the sliders. In fact both of them would fit under a 12’9 marked bridge in Ravensthorpe with a standard box on the back so I am still of the opinion that your 12" higher CoG is greatly exaggerated Mr. M !You sound like my missus, so 6 or 8’’ then
But on your travels just have a look at a Dutch or Belgium spec skelly and see where the box sits and the thickness of the chassis, most continental manufacturers use the container stiffness for the strength, hence the reason for screw tight twist locks rather than what we normally use.
Yes I know the continental ones sit lower. That was never under question . I was replying to your comments that sliders are death traps because of their alleged 12" higher CoG, which of course isn’t true at all :
Nut of Wheels:
I followed a large UK haulier yesterday and was thinking how primitive the sliding skelly is and how dangerous it looks, when safety is all about a low centre of gravity, we still run old engineering practices with a box sat at least a foot higher than it needs to be.
Not that i’m in favour of harmonisation with europe over max.trailer heights, but as a trunk driver pulling nothing but curtain sider deckers for the last 8 years and seeing an ever increasing number on our roads, i have often asked why we Brits with historically the highest fuel duties continue with these, well lets say aerodynamically challenged trailers 
… Instead of harmonsisation i would be inclined to look more at our european counterparts equipment with their low ride combos and more wagon-drags(with longer permitted length) being a more interesting proposition to max out cubic capacity but keeping overall running heights lower with a positive contribution to fuel returns… Attitudes need to change in an effort to best counter escalating costs especially fuel, which continue to spiral out of control…
hipsway:
Not that i’m in favour of harmonisation with europe over max.trailer heights, but as a trunk driver pulling nothing but curtain sider deckers for the last 8 years and seeing an ever increasing number on our roads, i have often asked why we Brits with historically the highest fuel duties continue with these, well lets say aerodynamically challenged trailers
I agree. And welcome to the forums hipsway! 
This is the most ridiculous proposal i’ve ever heard. Was pro Europe till now, muppetry of the highest order. The previous point of having lower but longer trailers is flawed because why don’t we just have longer and higher trailers to improve cube if that’s the goal. The improvement in fuel economy of lower trailers does not exceed the economic benefit of just hauling more “stuff”. Just think, we’re paying taxes to these bright sparks to come up with this guff. 
hipsway:
Not that i’m in favour of harmonisation with europe over max.trailer heights, but as a trunk driver pulling nothing but curtain sider deckers for the last 8 years and seeing an ever increasing number on our roads, i have often asked why we Brits with historically the highest fuel duties continue with these, well lets say aerodynamically challenged trailers
Trunk drivers obviously think alike but we’ve had the LHV discussion lots of times but the Brit government will never let them on our roads to protect rail freight.The wagon and drag idea also allows for much higher weights in addition to cubic capacity increases and that’s the bit that scares the rail interests.
I really hope the EC push this through.
The height of trailers in this country is getting rather silly and dangerous .
We dont have the road infrastructure …too many low railyway bridges
we have too many undertrained idiots working in RDCs …overloading top decks
we have the wrong climate …far too windy
and we have the wrong terrain … too many hills and dales.
At first these trailers were brought in for trunking purposes , but now we find ourselves in busy tight city centres with them.
Maybe 4m is a bit too low , i would be happy with 4.25 ( just under 14ft).
It seems that anything that brussells introduce to this country, we are the first to abide by…so this new trailer height should only apply when the rest of the eu abide by the rules already in force.
The EU are using the Uk as a dumping ground for new regulations…and have just announced that millions of Indians will be allowed to come to the uk, so long as they are skilled…so our illustrious government/coalitions statement that they will curb immigration for those outside of the uk are a total farce.
I feel sure that this government stated that any new rules from the eu, will be put to the vote…does it mean this one too ■■
Another stupid rule this government should apply, is child benefit paid to foreigners living abroad.
I know that a lot of foreigners can apply for child benefit once they start working here…when they decide to go home…that benefit is still paid into their bank accounts…so although they are no longer working here, they are still taking us for mugs…along with the workshy etc…all theiving scumbags in my opinion.
Rob K:
merc0447:
4 meters (13’1) is ridiculousIf the height is only 13’1 in EUland then how do they transport shipping containers?
on a ship.