" Cyclists to share space ".
Love to watch a meteor obliterate one.
roaduser66:
The-Snowman:
Its also official guidance to always wear a helmet and use front and rear lights but you and that other ■■■ BWD seem to think it doesnt matter since its not illegal. Cant have it both ways palDon’t lie about what I’ve written. You’ve been asked politely before not to make up stuff I’ve never said. Pack it in.
On the other thread your flapping your gums in you said “wearing a helmet is not mandatory”. It is official guidance to wear one however. So because its not illegal, you think its ok if someone isnt wearing one.
Forget the bit about lights,I meant hi viz attire. Lights was something else I was typing that I forgot to change to hi-viz. But the point is still the same
But even though not using lights is illegal you also seem to think it irrelevant if someone isnt using them because it “only” accounts for 2% of deaths which in a round about way is saying its ok (even though its illegal).
The-Snowman:
boredwivdrivin:
I spelled it out for the fick kidz on another thread .Well given that just a few days ago you admitted to posting things that were not true in an attempt to wind people up, its hardly surprising no one takes what you say as gospel is it?
No SnowTroll . i made a joke . if you were not so stoopid as to keep on about a video i told u i couldnt view then it would have been unnecessary .
You consistantly misquote , misread, twist or just plain miss the point that it is embarassing being on the same internet as you
A helmet wearing a helmet lol.
I honestly have almost ■■■■■■ my pants tonight with this thread. Good job they are Lycra.
They protect you from everything.
boredwivdrivin:
Ive never asked for pedestrians and cyclists to share space .If cyclists dont have their own roads ( like bristol to bath cyclepath) then they must use roads
Ive asked for drivers to drive properly ,with due care and attention , and when there is an inevitable death , that the police investigate , and the CPS review whether charges are appropriate , not the police
Why is it considered better to regulate the speeds and actions of motor traffic on the road in order to cater for the higher risk wider differentials in speed and vulnerability v cyclists.Than limit the speed and actions of cyclists in order for them to co operate with pedestrians in a lower risk shared cycle/pedestrian environment ?.
As for the police CPS issue you still haven’t answered the question as to what happens if/when the police investigations support the case for the defence.Let me guess there would/could be no case for any ‘defence’ in a regime based on vulnerability not rule of the road.
I see the prick is still waffling on !
When I was working as a parcel delivery driver in a van driving around rural West Sussex I lost count the amount of times I nearly wiped out a gaggle of LCT’s because they were riding as a large group along the lanes which were frequently used and in the summer had polo pony transport trucks driven up and down them by foreign drivers on phones and driving like bats out of hell
boredwivdrivin:
No SnowTroll . i made a joke . if you were not so stoopid as to keep on about a video i told u i couldnt view then it would have been unnecessary .
You still said it though. How do we know it was “a joke”? (arnt jokes supposed to be funny?) You admitted to putting stuff out there that wasnt true so why should anyone believe you ever again? Anything you post is now automatically tainted without proof. Oh the humanity
As for the video, I told you what it was. You know what it is. Its a guy holding onto a lorry while cycling on the dual carriageway. Why do you need to see it? All I ever wanted was your thoughts on it since you keep banging on about how fantastically superior cyclists are. That’s why I keep bringing it up. Because every time you avoid giving an answer you confirm more and more just how paper thin and one sided your constant rambling posts about cyclists are.
You think I don’t know your acting like this to avoid answering? Tut tut
boredwivdrivin:
You consistantly misquote , misread, twist or just plain miss the point that it is embarassing being on the same internet as you
Its not my fault if your grasp of the basic English language is so bad you cant understand what i’ve written. Dont blame me. There must be night courses you can take
And if I do misread its probably because you still use text speak to post despite it being obsolete for at least 12 years
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Bluey Circles:
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For your consideration - motorists pay general taxes…AND road tax on top of that. Interesting…You pay road tax ? LOL, I’m not sure who you are paying it to but it was abolished in 1936 LOL
Right…it goes like this…once a year, in order to be allowed to drive my car on the public roads network, a chunk of money goes out of my bank account, to the government. Has done since 1975. Now you can be as pedantic as it pleaseth you to be, but that my friend, is a government tax on me (the aformentioned motorist) for using the roads. It could be called a rubber erosion tax, but it`s still the same thing.
That is a tax on the pollution you are causing, plenty cars available where that tax is zero rated, buy one of those instead. In any case the vast majority of cyclists also own cars, and some even own trucks.
boredwivdrivin:
This latest fisherman, i shouted at him from a long way off to move his sticks / chair /coolbox etc .
He didnt move so i kept my foot down to ‘bunnyhop’ his junk .
At last moment he dived for his sticks and got a peddle in his shins and front brake hand in his guts .
I fell into stinging nettles .
He refused to apologise and was moaning his sticks were broke along with his shins .Im sure we are all pleased to know that my Anthem X1 was completely unscathed in this incident .
It’s attitudes and incidents like this that cause motorists (and the general population) to hate us cyclists. You just displayed behaviour towards someone that you accuse motorists of displaying towards cyclists. Your continual arguments are doing nothing but prove cyclist are ■■■■■■■■ Please stop.
I managed a thirty mile round trip to work everyday for nearly two years incident free, simply by respecting other road users and taking responsibility for myself.
Captain Caveman 76:
boredwivdrivin:
This latest fisherman, i shouted at him from a long way off to move his sticks / chair /coolbox etc .
He didnt move so i kept my foot down to ‘bunnyhop’ his junk .
At last moment he dived for his sticks and got a peddle in his shins and front brake hand in his guts .
I fell into stinging nettles .
He refused to apologise and was moaning his sticks were broke along with his shins .Im sure we are all pleased to know that my Anthem X1 was completely unscathed in this incident .
It’s attitudes and incidents like this that cause motorists (and the general population) to hate us cyclists. You just displayed behaviour towards someone that you accuse motorists of displaying towards cyclists. Your continual arguments are doing nothing but prove cyclist are [zb]. Please stop.
I managed a thirty mile round trip to work everyday for nearly two years incident free, simply by respecting other road users and taking responsibility for myself.
Have you noticed caveman that when ever you or any of the other sensible cyclists post on here it becomes a reasoned debate with both sides putting across their side and it all ends on friendly terms. A joke, a friendly dig, a counter argument to a post etc etc. No hassles,no insults, no problem.
Its only whenever borintwat or roadloser66 wade in like a pair of arrogant pricks that it desends into this?
Thing is frozen chap, these two clowns simply do not realise the danger that they put themselves in.
I remember dragging one knobhead 300 yards on my nearside step, after his trouser clip got caught on my Kelsa side step light unit. Prick didn’t even thank me for saving him all that pedalling.
Carryfast . i have answered along way above .
The police investigate …
And whatever their conclusions it must be reviewed by CPS
Same as domestic abuse or racial hatred …
Because police have proven themselves incapable of getting any form of justice for dead cyclists in over 50% of cases
eagerbeaver:
Thing is frozen chap, these two clowns simply do not realise the danger that they put themselves in.I remember dragging one knobhead 300 yards on my nearside step, after his trouser clip got caught on my Kelsa side step light unit. Prick didn’t even thank me for saving him all that pedalling.
boredwivdrivin:
Carryfast . i have answered along way above .The police investigate …
And whatever their conclusions it must be reviewed by CPS
Same as domestic abuse or racial hatred …
Because police have proven themselves incapable of getting any form of justice for dead cyclists in over 50% of cases
A young lad was killed after being knocked from his bike. The police then said the cyclist didn’t have lights or hi vis. The rider had both. The driver wasn’t charged and the police destroyed the cyclist’s clothing.
The police attend cyclist fatalities and declare it “an accident” before the investigation is even begun. The police lose or destroy evidence, lie to the bereaved families and insult the dead person’s memory by lying about them:
Police watchdog slams force which said pensioner’s cycling death was an accident just 15 MINUTES into their investigation
Richard Jordan, 67, hurled from his bike in country lane near Ashford, Kent
But medics did not tell police about crash - they only found out a day later
Kent Police then said death was accidental 15 minutes into their probe
Forensic evidence was lost and investigator was not fully qualified
IPCC report has ordered Kent Police to trawl back over widow’s complaint
She said: ‘We can’t grieve. We’ve had to keep reliving it for three years’
boredwivdrivin:
Carryfast . i have answered along way above .The police investigate …
And whatever their conclusions it must be reviewed by CPS
Same as domestic abuse or racial hatred …
Because police have proven themselves incapable of getting any form of justice for dead cyclists in over 50% of cases
How can the CPS ‘review’ the ‘conclusions’ of the Police when it’s the police who provide the required investigative ‘expert’ witnesses for the prosecution case not the CPS.Assuming those investigations support the case for the defence ?. 
boredwivdrivin:
Because police have proven themselves incapable of getting any form of justice for dead cyclists in over 50% of cases
You dont think its maybe possible that in those 50% of cases there just wasnt a case to answer and it was nothing more than a tragic accident? Not every death is as a result of dangerous driving or recklessness. As tragic as it is, accidents happen.
Police have admitted failing to fully investigate a crash in which a cyclist was hit by a lorry and killed.
Marc Dunk, 28, died in February 2010 when he was riding to work in Thanet.
A coroner recorded a verdict of accidental death and an initial Kent Police review found the investigation had been carried out correctly.
But Mr Dunk’s family were dissatisfied with the investigation and a campaign led to the force carrying out a serious case review aided by Essex Police.
Kent Police said lessons had been learned, although the issues raised in its review would have been unlikely to have altered the outcome of the case.
‘Missed opportunities’
The initial police investigation into the crash concluded Mr Dunk rode across the path of the lorry but his mother has always maintained that was not the case, and she wanted to prove that he was not at fault.
Kent Police have now acknowledged there were “missed opportunities”, including a failure to examine during the lorry driver’s interview his “consumption of codeine and its effects on him”.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-32710024
The CTC record complaints about the way the police make a complete dog’s breakfast out of investigating RTCs involving cyclists. The number tallies four thousand cases.
roaduser66:
boredwivdrivin:
Carryfast . i have answered along way above .The police investigate …
And whatever their conclusions it must be reviewed by CPS
Same as domestic abuse or racial hatred …
Because police have proven themselves incapable of getting any form of justice for dead cyclists in over 50% of cases
A young lad was killed after being knocked from his bike. The police then said the cyclist didn’t have lights or hi vis. The rider had both. The driver wasn’t charged and the police destroyed the cyclist’s clothing.
The police attend cyclist fatalities and declare it “an accident” before the investigation is even begun. The police lose or destroy evidence, lie to the bereaved families and insult the dead person’s memory by lying about them:
Police watchdog slams force which said pensioner’s cycling death was an accident just 15 MINUTES into their investigation
Richard Jordan, 67, hurled from his bike in country lane near Ashford, Kent
But medics did not tell police about crash - they only found out a day later
Kent Police then said death was accidental 15 minutes into their probe
Forensic evidence was lost and investigator was not fully qualified
IPCC report has ordered Kent Police to trawl back over widow’s complaint
She said: ‘We can’t grieve. We’ve had to keep reliving it for three years’
And for balance; from what I’ve seen, every HGV driver involved in a fatal accident with a cyclist is arrested before the investigation even starts.
It’s not a one-way street mate; but even if it was, there’d probably be a cyclist riding the wrong way up it.
Sidevalve:
roaduser66:
boredwivdrivin:
Carryfast . i have answered along way above .The police investigate …
And whatever their conclusions it must be reviewed by CPS
Same as domestic abuse or racial hatred …
Because police have proven themselves incapable of getting any form of justice for dead cyclists in over 50% of cases
A young lad was killed after being knocked from his bike. The police then said the cyclist didn’t have lights or hi vis. The rider had both. The driver wasn’t charged and the police destroyed the cyclist’s clothing.
The police attend cyclist fatalities and declare it “an accident” before the investigation is even begun. The police lose or destroy evidence, lie to the bereaved families and insult the dead person’s memory by lying about them:
Police watchdog slams force which said pensioner’s cycling death was an accident just 15 MINUTES into their investigation
Richard Jordan, 67, hurled from his bike in country lane near Ashford, Kent
But medics did not tell police about crash - they only found out a day later
Kent Police then said death was accidental 15 minutes into their probe
Forensic evidence was lost and investigator was not fully qualified
IPCC report has ordered Kent Police to trawl back over widow’s complaint
She said: ‘We can’t grieve. We’ve had to keep reliving it for three years’And for balance; from what I’ve seen, every HGV driver involved in a fatal accident with a cyclist is arrested before the investigation even starts.
It’s not a one-way street mate; but even if it was, there’d probably be a cyclist riding the wrong way up it.
Which examples are you thinking of? It’s extremely rare for the driver in a fatality to be arrested immediately.
Sidevalve:
It’s not a one-way street mate; but even if it was, there’d probably be a cyclist riding the wrong way up it.
I just made a cup of tea and just spat out a mouthful as I read that!