Check out virtually every one in London.
Sidevalve:
Check out virtually every one in London.
You said “From my experience”. Of what? Which case do you mean?
Cyclist killed in crash with tipper truck at Bank junction in the …
www.standard.co.uk › News › London
22 Jun 2015 - A woman cyclist was killed after being struck by a lorry just yards from the Bank of England in horrific scenes … The woman is the eighth cyclist to die on London’s roads so far this year. … At the time he had not been arrested.
Cyclist, 32, dies after crash with Co-op lorry in London in …
www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › Home News
29 May 2015 - The cyclist died in hospital hours after the crash in Camberwell. … of the lorry, who stopped metres away down a side road, was not arrested.
Female cyclist killed in lorry crash on Lambeth Bridge …
www.london24.com/…/cyclist_hit_by_lor … ge_1_402….
9 Apr 2015 - She is the fifth cyclist to die on London’s roads this year. … The 40-year-old driver of the tipper lorry stopped at the scene, and was not arrested.
That’s three this year. Driver wasn’t arrested in any of them.
roaduser66:
boredwivdrivin:
Carryfast . i have answered along way above .The police investigate …
And whatever their conclusions it must be reviewed by CPS
Same as domestic abuse or racial hatred …
Because police have proven themselves incapable of getting any form of justice for dead cyclists in over 50% of cases
A young lad was killed after being knocked from his bike. The police then said the cyclist didn’t have lights or hi vis. The rider had both. The driver wasn’t charged and the police destroyed the cyclist’s clothing.
In which case are you saying that you’re going to be able to make a successful prosecution with the police investigations agreeing with the defence.Especially when the defence call on said police investigators to give evidence. 
On that note exactly who’s word was it that disagreed with the police investigators’.
I haven’t the faintest idea what you’re trying to say. Is there a grown-up with you who could try to write intelligible English?
roaduser66:
Cyclist killed in crash with tipper truck at Bank junction in the …
standard.co.uk › News › London
22 Jun 2015 - A woman cyclist was killed after being struck by a lorry just yards from the Bank of England in horrific scenes … The woman is the eighth cyclist to die on London’s roads so far this year. … At the time he had not been arrested.Cyclist, 32, dies after crash with Co-op lorry in London in …
independent.co.uk › News › UK › Home News
29 May 2015 - The cyclist died in hospital hours after the crash in Camberwell. … of the lorry, who stopped metres away down a side road, was not arrested.Female cyclist killed in lorry crash on Lambeth Bridge …
london24.com/…/cyclist_hit … ge_1_402….
9 Apr 2015 - She is the fifth cyclist to die on London’s roads this year. … The 40-year-old driver of the tipper lorry stopped at the scene, and was not arrested.That’s three this year. Driver wasn’t arrested in any of them.
I’m guessing that the left turning truck scenario was a factor among any or all of the above ?.In which case we know there’s been a collision.The question is was it overtaking truck hits cyclist when turning left or undertaking cyclist gets hit by left turning truck ?.
Under a regime of innocent until proven guilty according to rules of the road the answer to that question,beyond reasonable doubt in favour of the cyclist and against the driver,is obviously the essential point and relevant test of guilt.Not stating the bleedin obvious that there’s been a collision.
Since we’re playing “lorry driver arrested” trumps; rather than cherry-pick cases perhaps this explains it better.
Your point conceded that it does not automatically follow that an HGV driver will be arrested; might I suggest that this might be because the police make a judgement on the spot as to who was most likely at fault, and arrest if necessary, rather than accuse the lorry driver of being in the wrong every time as seems to be the case with the pro-cycling lobby?
roaduser66:
I haven’t the faintest idea what you’re trying to say. Is there a grown-up with you who could try to write intelligible English?
Love it, say something else and I’ll promise not to laugh, honest! 
There may be some missing comma’s from Carryfast’s response, but if you can’t interpret/comprehend that…
And on your battle with Carryfast, best of luck pal!
You said “From your experience” drivers were usually arrested. Which cases were you thinking of?
Evil8Beezle:
roaduser66:
I haven’t the faintest idea what you’re trying to say. Is there a grown-up with you who could try to write intelligible English?Love it, say something else and I’ll promise not to laugh, honest!
There may be some missing comma’s from Carryfast’s response, but if you can’t interpret/comprehend that…And on your battle with Carryfast, best of luck pal!
What, exactly, do you think carryfast’s point was?
roaduser66:
Evil8Beezle:
roaduser66:
I haven’t the faintest idea what you’re trying to say. Is there a grown-up with you who could try to write intelligible English?Love it, say something else and I’ll promise not to laugh, honest!
There may be some missing comma’s from Carryfast’s response, but if you can’t interpret/comprehend that…And on your battle with Carryfast, best of luck pal!
What, exactly, do you think carryfast’s point was?
The ‘point’ was how do you expect the CPS to prosecute when the prosecutions main expert witness/es,in the form of the police investigator/s,support the case for the defence.Unless you’re aware of any prosecution case in which the police were acting as hostile witnesses against the prosecution side. 
roaduser66:
You said “From your experience” drivers were usually arrested. Which cases were you thinking of?
I’ve just conceded your point. FWIW they’re in that list I posted; but if you’ll excuse me I’ve got better things to do than piddle about finding them.
By the way; I’m a two-wheeled user myself, vintage motorbikes with old-fashioned brakes and no indicators, so you’d expect me to have a certain empathy with the cycling fraternity. as indeed I do, provided that they ride sensibly and desist from putting themselves into dangerous situations without thought for others. Unfortunately, people with pro-cycling agendas like yourself who troll boards like this pushing their one-eyed gospel tend to bring out the worst in me.
There are plenty of cases in that list I posted where the lorry driver is indeed at fault; nobody but a fool would argue that point. There are also as many, if not more, where the cyclist either by dint of carelessness, inattention, stupidity or arrogance put themselves into a life-threatening position by their own actions, which has left the car or lorry drivers involved saddled with the guilt of having killed or maimed someone even when it wasn’t their fault. That however does not make for good propaganda, does it?
That’s fair enough sidevalve, ta. Sorry for being a bit strong, all this “cyclists are stupid for not using cycle lanes” rubbish boils my ■■■■ and I lashed out, sorry.
roaduser66:
That’s fair enough sidevalve, ta. Sorry for being a bit strong, all this “cyclists are stupid for not using cycle lanes” rubbish boils my ■■■■ and I lashed out, sorry.
No worries; apology accepted in the good spirit in which it was offered.
Ride safe!
roaduser66:
I haven’t the faintest idea what you’re trying to say. Is there a grown-up with you who could try to write intelligible English?
Oh dear. Going down that road are you?
The old “I cant understand what you put so I wont/cant answer” routine?
Your pal borintwat does that a lot. It doesnt work for him either. Everyone can see through it
Came across this right clown riding in the fog on the a628 to Barnsley today. He shot out of a side road, no high vis, no lights, nothing, just his Lycra shellsuit on, no helmet either mind then went charging off down the street into the wall of grey. Some cyclists really don’t help themselves!
Carryfast:
The ‘point’ was how do you expect the CPS to prosecute when the prosecutions main expert witness/es,in the form of the police investigator/s,support the case for the defence.Unless you’re aware of any prosecution case in which the police were acting as hostile witnesses against the prosecution side.
May be the whole point here is to compel the police to do their job correctly and thoroughly. It is all too easy for the police to arrive at the scene take a quick look around and declare a 50/50 accident, no one to blame! lets all get back down to the station and have another cup of tea … now if the police know that they will have to hand the report over to the CPS no matter what, then just may be they will do their job properly and investigate every aspect of the incident.
Radar19:
Came across this right clown riding in the fog on the a628 to Barnsley today. He shot out of a side road, no high vis, no lights, nothing, just his Lycra shellsuit on, no helmet either mind then went charging off down the street into the wall of grey. Some cyclists really don’t help themselves!
that is an amazing amount of detail from someone you never saw. And what’s the relevance of the helmet?
Carryfast . read that link i posted above . it looks at every single death of a cyclist .
A small minority are killed by left turning vehicles .
I also think you have a basic misunderstanding of how justice system works
The police investigate . they MAY bring charges
The CPS reviews . It may bring charges OR drop the police charges
The magistrate / jury decide guilt .
The magistrate / judge sentences .
Its the police bit i have a problem with . people seem to think the police decide guilt . they dont .
Police are not getting justice for dead people .
Bluey Circles:
Carryfast:
The ‘point’ was how do you expect the CPS to prosecute when the prosecutions main expert witness/es,in the form of the police investigator/s,support the case for the defence.Unless you’re aware of any prosecution case in which the police were acting as hostile witnesses against the prosecution side.May be the whole point here is to compel the police to do their job correctly and thoroughly. It is all too easy for the police to arrive at the scene take a quick look around and declare a 50/50 accident, no one to blame! lets all get back down to the station and have another cup of tea … now if the police know that they will have to hand the report over to the CPS no matter what, then just may be they will do their job properly and investigate every aspect of the incident.
More like the cyclist lobby are saying if the police investigations don’t support prosecution then they have to re consider until they get the right answer that suits the agenda.So I’ll answer the question again.What if the police report supports the case for the defence and how will then being forced 'to hand it over to the CPS make any difference.Other than putting the police in the impossible position of being a hostile witness against the prosecution.