ROG:
Some have found that changing the photo online also works
It now says you can’t apply online if your name or title has changed or if you have a 5-year bus or lorry licence.
Have they just changed this bit?
wildfire:
Roymondo:
wildfire:
Roymondo:
wildfire:
I would of said regardless to what is on your licence the law states that you require
a medical at 45 and then every 5 years after that, to be able to continue driving,Go on - which law states that?
That’s not a law, that’s a web page which explains about renewing your licence.
this is taken from webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. … tation.pdf
6.4.1. Licensing requirements for this group of drivers are already more stringent than for drivers of small vehicles. They must submit a medical report with their provisional licence application, completed by a qualified medical practitioner, to show that they meet the required health standards. Unlike drivers of small vehicles who get driving entitlement until they reach age 70, they have to renew their driving entitlement at age 45 and every five years after that until age 65, then annually. With each application to renew driving entitlement, they must produce up-to-date medical reports.
this was a consultation paper but the paragraph above list the current rules which are are set out in Part III of the Road Traffic Act 1988, and the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 (SI 1999/2864),
that’s the law as it stands, drivers who pass their test after this year will have to renew their licences every five years by a self declaration until they are 45 then a medical at 45 and every 5 years after that.
so as I said before you must complete a medical at 45
RTA 1988 etc were amended big time by The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) Regulations 2012 - but my point was (and remains) that the law requires drivers to hold a valid driving licence covering the class of vehicle they are using - it doesn’t say that he has to have a medical before he can drive (that comes as part of the renewal process, which is the responsibility of DVLA and, ultimately the Secretary of State). You only have to try reading through this legislation to see that the changes brought in by it are so complex that, in effect a “line in the sand” has had to be drawn, and the Secretary of State (for it is he who specifies how the rules are to be implemented in order to comply with the relevant EU Directives) has decided that all licence renewals, for whatever reason after a set date (which I think was in October 2013) will automatically go over to the new regime from that point. So if you renewed in between regular mandatory renewals (e.g.because you neeed to update your photo) they wiped the slate and all truck and bus licences are now renewed every five years (with a medical exam if you are over 45). To have required a medical for such “early” renewals would have unfairly penalised someone who had renewed their truck entitlement (with a medical) maybe only a year or so earlier but now needed to renew his photo or change name etc.
Roymondo:
wildfire:
Roymondo:
wildfire:
Roymondo:
wildfire:
I would of said regardless to what is on your licence the law states that you require
a medical at 45 and then every 5 years after that, to be able to continue driving,Go on - which law states that?
That’s not a law, that’s a web page which explains about renewing your licence.
this is taken from webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. … tation.pdf
6.4.1. Licensing requirements for this group of drivers are already more stringent than for drivers of small vehicles. They must submit a medical report with their provisional licence application, completed by a qualified medical practitioner, to show that they meet the required health standards. Unlike drivers of small vehicles who get driving entitlement until they reach age 70, they have to renew their driving entitlement at age 45 and every five years after that until age 65, then annually. With each application to renew driving entitlement, they must produce up-to-date medical reports.
this was a consultation paper but the paragraph above list the current rules which are are set out in Part III of the Road Traffic Act 1988, and the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 (SI 1999/2864),
that’s the law as it stands, drivers who pass their test after this year will have to renew their licences every five years by a self declaration until they are 45 then a medical at 45 and every 5 years after that.
so as I said before you must complete a medical at 45
RTA 1988 etc were amended big time by The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) Regulations 2012 - but my point was (and remains) that the law requires drivers to hold a valid driving licence covering the class of vehicle they are using - it doesn’t say that he has to have a medical before he can drive (that comes as part of the renewal process, which is the responsibility of DVLA and, ultimately the Secretary of State). You only have to try reading through this legislation to see that the changes brought in by it are so complex that, in effect a “line in the sand” has had to be drawn, and the Secretary of State (for it is he who specifies how the rules are to be implemented in order to comply with the relevant EU Directives) has decided that all licence renewals, for whatever reason after a set date (which I think was in October 2013) will automatically go over to the new regime from that point. So if you renewed in between regular mandatory renewals (e.g.because you neeed to update your photo) they wiped the slate and all truck and bus licences are now renewed every five years (with a medical exam if you are over 45). To have required a medical for such “early” renewals would have unfairly penalised someone who had renewed their truck entitlement (with a medical) maybe only a year or so earlier but now needed to renew his photo or change name etc.
they have to have a medical to get their provisional before they start driving 
wildfire:
they have to have a medical to get their provisional before they start driving
Yes, but that reinforces my point. The requirement for a driver to hold valid licence is stated in Law. The requirement for him to undergo a medical examination (either on initial grant of the licence or subsequent renewal) is, to the best of my knowledge, not. The relevant legislation places a duty on the Secretary of State to satisfy himself that applicants and holders are medically fit, but effectively leaves the administration of this down to him. The assertion made, and with which I disagree, is " regardless to what is on your licence the law states that you require
a medical at 45 and then every 5 years after that, to be able to continue driving" and added that if you continued to drive without undergoing a medical examination your licence would somehow be invalid and you could be prosecuted for driving without one. I’m saying that this is not the case - the Secretary of State (via his minions at the DVLA) has satisfied himself that I am still fit to hold a licence (in this case by getting me to sign a declaration to that effect) and has quite correctly renewed my licence according to his rules.
Roymondo:
wildfire:
they have to have a medical to get their provisional before they start drivingYes, but that reinforces my point. The requirement for a driver to hold valid licence is stated in Law. The requirement for him to undergo a medical examination (either on initial grant of the licence or subsequent renewal) is, to the best of my knowledge, not. The relevant legislation places a duty on the Secretary of State to satisfy himself that applicants and holders are medically fit, but effectively leaves the administration of this down to him. The assertion made, and with which I disagree, is " regardless to what is on your licence the law states that you require
a medical at 45 and then every 5 years after that, to be able to continue driving" and added that if you continued to drive without undergoing a medical examination your licence would somehow be invalid and you could be prosecuted for driving without one. I’m saying that this is not the case - the Secretary of State (via his minions at the DVLA) has satisfied himself that I am still fit to hold a licence (in this case by getting me to sign a declaration to that effect) and has quite correctly renewed my licence according to his rules.
I read through the rules, and your are right it is not completely clear. the trouble I was having was I couldn’t see how or were they had changed the rule on the medical at 45, just didn’t make sense to me which rule over ruled the other(I am probably to thick) 