Thats a difficult one and only you can answer that. Personally i would be honest, tell them that although you have been thinking about leaving for quite a while, and the fact that you had applied for a new position without success at the time, they have now been in touch, and you are sorry that it has coincided with them putting you through a Class 1, but at the end of the day the job is making you ill, its stressing you out and you are having to dodge points on your licence just to get the job done, sorry guvnor but i have to move on.
Your only predicament is the assessment on Monday, If you hand in your notice now, and then fail the test, you could be out of work best to leave the chat with the boss till after, and good luck.
… If they’d been good to you, you wouldn’t have applied for a job elsewhere. People that are happy do not act in the way you have.
They have put you through your C+E, purely so that you can be available to graft for them in a different capacity. Did they tell you how much of a pay rise you were getting for driving the class 1 vehicles? 
Look at it this way. If you were happy, you’d be staying. You made them aware, they’ve not done anything about it. Therefore, it’s entirely their own fault.
■■■■ em! Move onwards and upwards. They’d drop you like a hot tatty if it suited them…
Stonehouse69:
bottomline though, i need to leave because the jobs messing me up.
Stonehouse69:
all being well and they offer me a job, shich is less work, more money.
Stonehouse69:
how the hell should the conversation with my bosses go?
Well Boss,
As much as I like working here, I Just can’t hack it anymore, the job is seriously effecting my health.
I have spoken to you previously about my concerns, you said things would change but they haven’t.
I appreciate everything you have done for me, but feel I have got to do something about it before I have an accident/lose my licence…
Truckulent:
… If they’d been good to you, you wouldn’t have applied for a job elsewhere. People that are happy do not act in the way you have.They have put you through your C+E, purely so that you can be available to graft for them in a different capacity. Did they tell you how much of a pay rise you were getting for driving the class 1 vehicles?
Look at it this way. If you were happy, you’d be staying. You made them aware, they’ve not done anything about it. Therefore, it’s entirely their own fault.
[zb] em! Move onwards and upwards. They’d drop you like a hot tatty if it suited them…
Agree 100%.
My “old” firm paid for my hiab course and for a time, I was happy but life changes so I moved on.
Never feel guilty for wanting a change, and more importantly, IMO, once you’ve made a decision, stick to it. If it turns out to be a mistake, so what? it’s not the end of the world. I gave a weeks’ notice and on the last day, they offered me more money to stay. I smiled and said no thank you. If I’d stayed with them, they could have quite easily taken the wage rise away in the future, but more importantly, my “new” firm would have been quite justified in thinking I was a merchant!
If you do move on, try and leave on good terms. I’ve only left one job on (VERY) bad terms, and all it did was give me a headache. (I had no intention of ever going back there, so all that bursting into a management meeting, telling them a few home truths, and threatening to throw the MD out of a 3rd floor window did was get it out of my system. Aah, the joys of being 22 year old, and having a job waiting for me 
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You never know what the future holds so don’t burn your bridges unless you’ve no other option.
Stonehouse69:
So, after being in my job for over 2 years, ive finally had enough with driving ridiculous amount of miles and delivering a ridiculous amount of drops, whilst breaking speed limits and working through breaks in order to get it all done! (through fear of losing job). Bottom line, im no longer happy and want out. Needless to say, they have been good to me.A few months ago, i applied to another big firm for a class2 job they had advertised but never heard nothing back and in the meantime, the company i am with now, put me through my class 1 About a month ago.
So heres my problem… today, i had a phone call from “big firm” asking me if i was still interested in a job… i said yes but now have my class 1…they said great, come see us next monday for an assessment…i said great, see you then.
now, all being well and they offer me a job, shich is less work, more money… how the hell should the conversation with my bosses go?Can i also say that no contract has been signed for the licence but im not one for making myself look like a c***. im bricking myself because like i said, theyve been good to me… bottomline though, i need to leave because the jobs messing me up.
advise please.
As some one who has been in the job for over 40years. No firm is good to you.They want all they can get out of you. Your bosses have realised that the DCPC deadline is more or less on them.As has the other firm.Thats why they contacted you. Iam retiring this year and may do a bit of part time for the highest bidder.As will hundereds of older drivers. You sound a young chap to me. Exploit them, for the first time since 1979. When most drivers w 
ere in the TGWU and we all went on strike. The boot is firmly on the other foot. In 79 we went on strike for I think it was £17.50 a week more. It took 3 days and we got what we wanted.Use them like they have used you.
th2013:
You could go for being completely open with the situation with current employer…“Six months ago I was unhappy and applied for a job because I was ■■■■■■ off. I’m grateful for you putting me through class 1. Just been asked for interview for firm I applied to. (Then list reasons why you are still unhappy). Therefore I feel I should go and have a look at this other job”
It could go three ways from there
1 - they hurl abuse at you, and you had better hope you get the job!
2 - they offer different shifts, different work, try and address concerns to keep you
3 - they say fair enough and reasonably discuss how much notice to work
Good advice possibly scenario 4 is they say if you don’t like it then do one. At which point you can walk away without feeling guilty, also possible grounds for constructive dismissal, although you would have to be careful using speeding and infringements as the reasons, I resigned from previous job accusing former employer of constructive dismissal (on fairly flimsy grounds) and they panicked and coughed up nearly £10000 to settle out of court using a compromise agreement. Might be worth researching.
redboxer850:
Well Boss,As much as I like working here, I Just can’t hack it anymore, the job is seriously effecting my health.
I have spoken to you previously about my concerns, you said things would change but they haven’t.I appreciate everything you have done for me, but feel I have got to do something about it before I have an accident/lose my licence…
Pretty much the conversation I had with my former TM. It was done with courtesy and in a business like manner. No hard feelings and didn’t burn any bridges should my new position go belly up.
so, heres an update…
went for an assessment yesterday and got offered a job at the end of it. Today, finished my run, sorted out my paperwork and had a chat with boss telling him my grievances about job and that i need to earn more and that ive been offered a job elsewhere. He said that he was disappointed that i didnt go see him sooner and that he doesnt wanna lose m3 cus im a gread lad and good at my job. But in the same breath, if i left now, that i would have to pay back c+e money plus my wages for the 4 days AND the cost of agency covering my run… apparentlymy firm have done it to another guy that did set out to take the ■■■■ from the start… totally not my intention though.
boss ended up offering me a driver/warehouse supervisor roll with little driving 
more money but now i have turn down the other job and think it would be a mistake, but on the otherhand, cant afford to payback nearly 3 grand… gutted and talk about backed into a corner 
Ok… well IMHO paying back C+E doesn’t seem totally unreasonable to at least discuss, but wages and agency fees is just pure bullying and scaremongering. At this point you have very little to lose - I rarely suggest this but on this occasion I would get legal advice about whether anything exists in your contract, or anything signed since that obliges you to pay them a single penny.
In any case, if you walk away, I’d be surprised if your firm would bother with the hassle of taking you to court to get the money, they have better things to do.
So I would be leaning towards checking out your legal position and running for the hills mate. Very best of luck.
Did you ever sign anything regarding paying back training fees?
The most he can take from you is what you’re owed in wages now. If you get paid monthly and have just been paid then it’s a weeks wages plus any outstanding holiday pay he has over you. For any more he’d have to take you to court and that would require a signed agreement stating the payback scale. The likely hood of him being successful is very low.
Leave now, take the hit of a weeks wage and enjoy the new job.
I used to work for an arse but I didn’t realise it at the time. One day I cracked and walked - best thing I ever did and looking back I can’t believe how badly I was treated but let some misguided loyalty cloud my judgement.
th2013:
Ok… well IMHO paying back C+E doesn’t seem totally unreasonable to at least discuss, but wages and agency fees is just pure bullying and scaremongering. At this point you have very little to lose - I rarely suggest this but on this occasion I would get legal advice about whether anything exists in your contract, or anything signed since that obliges you to pay them a single penny.In any case, if you walk away, I’d be surprised if your firm would bother with the hassle of taking you to court to get the money, they have better things to do.
So I would be leaning towards checking out your legal position and running for the hills mate. Very best of luck.
agreed, i have no problem paying back the c+e training. its only right but the rest is too much. ive looked at my contract and company policies and can find nothing. And im sure i never signed anything else. i suppose some hidden document that they failed to show me would stand either.
Stonehouse69:
so, heres an update…
went for an assessment yesterday and got offered a job at the end of it. Today, finished my run, sorted out my paperwork and had a chat with boss telling him my grievances about job and that i need to earn more and that ive been offered a job elsewhere. He said that he was disappointed that i didnt go see him sooner and that he doesnt wanna lose m3 cus im a gread lad and good at my job. But in the same breath, if i left now, that i would have to pay back c+e money plus my wages for the 4 days AND the cost of agency covering my run… apparentlymy firm have done it to another guy that did set out to take the ■■■■ from the start… totally not my intention though.boss ended up offering me a driver/warehouse supervisor roll with little driving
If you think that turning the job offer down would be a mistake and then do it you will be the company ■■■■■ for as long as you are there. Offer to pay the training cost back at £50 a month, work your notice period, then fight any attempt to recover agency cost etc. DON’T ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE BULLIED.
u know what? ■■■■ it, i gotta do what’s right for me and my family. the new job is what ive always wanted to do and ive always said that id pay pack any training fees. not sure how the rest will pan out but i,ll cross that when it happens.
i appreciate all of your advice people because youve been there and done it. who knew that this industry can be so brutal lol 
I’ve a tiny bit of experience with this sort of thing. I left an firm when they were being wound down and being sold. One guy who was leaving was still ‘in bond’ for a command conversion course. As it was a sticky complicated situation for lots of us we took group legal advice from an emloyment lawyer.
Outstanding training costs are a fair cop IF covered by agreement. Even then if you refuse to pay, recovery by court is lengthy and not guaranteed for employer. As for chasing for days wages. Are you in anyway breaking your employment contract? For example the notice period required? If not then you are in the clear and tell the, to do one.
If you have not honoured the notice period, then - and a big then - they could claim a breach of contract and include mitigation of losses as a result. Mitigation of losses basically means claiming back for the days you were meant to work for rest of the notice and any expense and covering your work. However! We were told, nigh on no company wants to go this route and rarely does unless you’re talking about a high flying executive. It’s expensive, arduous, prone to failure from the company’s point of view with risk you’ll counter claim constructive dismissal and it also sends out a terrible signal to current employees.
Study your contract. Take legal advice but do not exchange anymore in voice, use e mail. Do not agree to anything at this stage and don’t be frightened off accepting your new job.
On a similar note to what Wiretwister said, there is also a possibility your new company would agree to an advance to pay off the old firm and you repay your new people at an agreed rate. I mean the C+E bit, not the whole demand! If you’d been ill for the 4 days you wouldn’t be asked to repay your wages and agency costs and it’s not as if they haven’t benefited at all from your class 1.
Hi all, new to this, please be kind. I’ll keep it brief. I have class 1 , and in full time employment driving the class 1. Shifts and long driving shifts along with boredom not doing me any favours with family ect ect ect. Also the inactivity is having a impact too. Can any one please advice whether it’s worth pursuing the hiab route. I’m thinking it may give me more suitable working hours, along with being a bit more active. I may come across being un- gratefull with full time work and all, but job also means I have to take 2 nine hour breaks out away from home also. So this is why I seek any advice. Many thanks.
like m1cks said they can only take what you’re owed,which is your week in hand and holidays if you’re owed any,if they tried to take you to court they’d need contractual evidence that you agreed to pay back on leaving otherwise it would be laughed out of court.if you still plan on leaving get your wage in your hand on payday then leave.
Where you live dude?
Silver_Surfer:
Where you live dude?
just away outside of Gloucester.