When I see a sign for roadworks on the motorway,40 mph,I drop down to 40 .A lot of hgvs keep going on the limiter,ignoring the speed limit even though there are workmen putting cones down just a few feet away.
How about you,do you keep going on the limiter?
Perhaps you could explain your reasons…
Surely staying in the limited and ignoring the signs is not happening! That would be unprofessional!
If you travel on the same motorway everytime you will know we’re the gatso camera are and were the average are.
Personally if I felt the need to be on my limiter through roadworks, I would change my job. Cannot see any reason why I would want or need to.
Yorkshire Tramper:
Personally if I felt the need to be on my limiter through roadworks, I would change my job. Cannot see any reason why I would want or need to.
Honestly it’s just a bad habit, same with going downhill I let it loose run it to 66mph
TruckDriverBen:
Yorkshire Tramper:
Personally if I felt the need to be on my limiter through roadworks, I would change my job. Cannot see any reason why I would want or need to.Honestly it’s just a bad habit, same with going downhill I let it loose run it to 66mph
A very bad habit mate, licence points and losing it is always on my mind. A few mins gained is not worth the hassle.
Im not so much talking about saving your hgv license but Im on about the safety of the workmen on the road.
Sploom:
Im not so much talking about saving your hgv license but Im on about the safety of the workmen on the road.
+1
Sploom:
Im not so much talking about saving your hgv license but Im on about the safety of the workmen on the road.
The point is that reduced speed limit might (or might not) give the driver a pause to think about what they are doing. I doubt that being hit by a 44 tonne fully laden artic is much different to being hit by a 1.5 tonne car at 40 mph. (Okay, the clean up crew has a different job so that makes a difference).
(Yes, there is a big difference between 44 tonne at 40 mph and 1.5 tonne at 40 mph. It is called physics. Doubt the workman on the receiving end would care).
So, if it is 2 am and there are no workmen (or workwomen) about, or cameras then slow down, pay attention, If it is 2 am and there are flashing beacons slow down and pay attention.
Keep yourself safe.
Because sadly the fools on minimum wage are too silly to keep within limits thus gaining points and increasing their stress which ultimately leads them to being forced from their work places to a even more crap paying job that leads them to tear ■■■ and gain more points.
The smart driver plods along stress free within limits and due to having a clean licence are in a more secure role and thus happier in life.
Ultimately I for one don’t shed a tear when bad drivers get their just desserts.
Drivers who speed through roadworks are the scum of the earth.
Interesting replies here considering i never seem to see another lorry slow down in road works, they all fly past me!
We really need to stop ■■■■■■■ about with average speed cameras and this smart motorway nonsense and just make it physically impossible to speed, i know the technology is there but why oh why don’t we use it already… Maybe somebody somewhere makes a lot of money from it all
GPS mandatory speed limiters are to be fitted to all new cars from next year.
It’s a rubbish idea. Just limit the ultimate top speed to 70 MPH. There is no legal reason for anyone to go faster than 70 MPH.
Averaging speed cameras are a good idea because most idiots don’t know how they work. They brake like crazy to the speed limit to pass the camera, then continue speeding, unaware that it is the time between gates that is measured.
The fixed speed cameras are useless because people slow to pass them and they don’t get them. They just end up creating hard braking zones in the flow of traffic. Even people who are traveling at less than the speed limit brake “just because”.
All of them need their licences revoking.
What’s the difference between 1.5 tons and 44 tons doing 40 MPH? 29.3.
If the number on the flashy light on the matrix isn’t in a red circle the limit is advisory, you can’t be done for going over it.
In regards to roadworks giving them more room is better than slowing down, I’ll move over a lane if possible or move as far over as I can if it’s down to a single lane and I’m one of those who will move to lane 2 if there’s vehicles on the hard shoulder. Whether you pass them at 40 that’s on the sign or 56 on the limiter and you come into contact with the guy coning out with a lorry they’re done for - the advisory limit only really achieves a survivability impact for road workers from slowing cars down from 70.
Red circle with limit is the limit. But only for that gantry. Once you in the roadworks I tend to do 50, though technically, if the gantrys aren’t showing any speed limit any more, I don’t see why trucks cant do 56 and cars 70. I trail cars doing 40 for about 5 miles through roadworks even when 40 has no longer been shown. I’ve gone through tons of camera gantrys at 50 with no flash despite the last gantry showing 40. I’m pretty positive that the gantrys with the yellow cameras MUST be showing a current speed limit to flash you if you exceed it, if they are blank its National speed limit, not the last one you passed 4 miles previously.
The non smart motorway signs where the limit is in a yellow flashing box with no red circle, that is advisory.
Edit: And from driving every night through tons of roadworks, once the cones are out, no workers are anywhere near the live lanes, they tend to be 2 or 3 lanes in working on the hard shoulder.
Whilst always showing the utmost consideration for the safety of actual on-site workers I consider the industry (like all others?) is degenerating in its consideration for those it affects.
It is acknowledged that long stretches of roadworks at reduced speed on motorways are a danger due to cognitive underload & frustration; but they persist in creating them.
Often roadworks that look fine during the daytime, in dry sunny weather, become a hazard in the wet at night as you try to ignore the partly scrubbed out white lines whilst following the reflective studs (excluding the displaced ones) through a chicane.
As I explained in another thread, I had a complaint upheld about the danger posed by the ultra-bright lights set up at speed camera locations. However, they only agreed to remove the light at the specific location I made the complaint about, despite knowing the issue was relevant to every other location they were in place.
It also seems motorway stretches are closed too casually overnight.
I recently brought the sign in the picture below to the attention of the roadworker’s management. Their initial response was an apology for the site being a mess! I was pushing for an acknowledgment that training would be improved but their only intention was to get the ‘complaint’ closed down; a tick box exercise required due to the sub, sub, sub-contracting culture.
So, in response to the OP’s question – yes I do always slow down through roadworks, but I know roadworks longer than 2 miles on motorways should not exist, therefore their own management is knowingly endangering the workers on longer stretches.
ScaniaUltimate:
Whilst always showing the utmost consideration for the safety of actual on-site workers I consider the industry (like all others?) is degenerating in its consideration for those it affects.It is acknowledged that long stretches of roadworks at reduced speed on motorways are a danger due to cognitive underload & frustration; but they persist in creating them.
Often roadworks that look fine during the daytime, in dry sunny weather, become a hazard in the wet at night as you try to ignore the partly scrubbed out white lines whilst following the reflective studs (excluding the displaced ones) through a chicane.
As I explained in another thread, I had a complaint upheld about the danger posed by the ultra-bright lights set up at speed camera locations. However, they only agreed to remove the light at the specific location I made the complaint about, despite knowing the issue was relevant to every other location they were in place.
It also seems motorway stretches are closed too casually overnight.
I recently brought the sign in the picture below to the attention of the roadworker’s management. Their initial response was an apology for the site being a mess! I was pushing for an acknowledgment that training would be improved but their only intention was to get the ‘complaint’ closed down; a tick box exercise required due to the sub, sub, sub-contracting culture.
So, in response to the OP’s question – yes I do always slow down through roadworks, but I know roadworks longer than 2 miles on motorways should not exist, therefore their own management is knowingly endangering the workers on longer stretches.
Totally agree, i also write regular complaints about certain roadworks particularly about unannounced road closures. The whole road maintenance system is not fit for purpose & it’s no surprise that a lot of people don’t slow down for them.
Take the M4 around Newport why do they need to routinely close it from Magor to jnc28 ? You can guarantee that every month there will be 5 nights of closures in each direction! What on earth are they doing■■? Ok some times it could be required i understand that…
More people need to complain about it particularly companies. In fact i was thinking of writing to the ministry of environment or whoever about it, just think how much extra fuel is used by all the diversions!
TruckerGuy:
What’s the difference between 1.5 tons and 44 tons doing 40 MPH? 29.3.
Spot on, but for those who don’t know how you got to that figure:
Formula is f=ma
First need to convert mph to metres per second
Results are in kg per m per second, also know as “Newton seconds”
44,000 kg X 17.88 mps = 786,720
1,500 kg X 17.88 mps = 26,820
786,720/26,820 = 29.3
Sploom:
When I see a sign for roadworks on the motorway,40 mph,I drop down to 40 .A lot of hgvs keep going on the limiter,ignoring the speed limit even though there are workmen putting cones down just a few feet away.
How about you,do you keep going on the limiter?
Perhaps you could explain your reasons…
I’ll set my cruise to whatever the displayed limit is.
Whatever you pay isn’t worth a fine or 3 points on my licence.
Since work is now concerned with ensuring drivers hit their 48 hour average, suddenly cruise set to 50 mph seems attractive - don’t know why.
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Sploom:
When I see a sign for roadworks on the motorway,40 mph,I drop down to 40 .A lot of hgvs keep going on the limiter,ignoring the speed limit even though there are workmen putting cones down just a few feet away.
How about you,do you keep going on the limiter?
Perhaps you could explain your reasons…
But isn’t the problem these that set limits?
It is justifiable to have 40mph speed limits approaching and where people are working but not through the entire road works
Also we have all driven regulary on roads were the lights are flashing away at lower speeds mile after mile yet there is nothing happening.
The same is true were there are no overtaking restrictions for hGVs!