Getting The CPC Road Haulage

basically, looking into courses etc for the CPC

just to confirm for people which one i mean, as there seems to be a lot of confusion about the name of the new drivers CPC recently, all the following questions are related to the transport manager-esque qualification related to holding an operators licence

a lot of places, in particular those who offer distance learning, say previous qualifications/knowledge of working in a transport supervisory position would be required, there are qualifications from the CILT for example, right from level 2 up to degree/masters level, but i’d rather not invest money in introductory qualifications/bits of paper, that have no value in the real world, if not completely necessary (hands up those who have any of these CILT quals for example)

there are costs to consider also, i don’t have a big pot of spare money to throw at multiple courses, hundreds of pounds at a time, mortgage to pay etc

but on the other hand i’ve read about 20-21 year olds completing the CPC, so…

  1. do you actually need any prior qualifications/experience to pass this course?

  2. those of you who have done it, how did you take it; distance learning, full time, part time, evening courses etc, what preparation did you do, and how did you find it?

  3. any recommendations for companies/colleges/tutors etc

and if anyone else has any relevant points to add, i’d be very grateful to read any

thanks in advance

WildGoose:

  1. do you actually need any prior qualifications/experience to pass this course?

No

  1. those of you who have done it, how did you take it; distance learning, full time, part time, evening courses etc, what preparation did you do, and how did you find it?

I did the home study course,and a 2 day revision course

passed module 1 & 2 first time , but took 2 attempts to do module 4 :open_mouth: , passed module 6 first time :slight_smile:

At the time i didn’t know that the case studies were available on t’internet, that probably would have helped

  1. any recommendations for companies/colleges/tutors etc

I used Friendberry , mainly because they’re local to me

anything written by David Lowewill be good

links to OCR are HERE

WildGoose:
basically, looking into courses etc for the CPC

  1. do you actually need any prior qualifications/experience to pass this course?

  2. those of you who have done it, how did you take it; distance learning, full time, part time, evening courses etc, what preparation did you do, and how did you find it?

  3. any recommendations for companies/colleges/tutors etc

and if anyone else has any relevant points to add, i’d be very grateful to read any

thanks in advance

I’ll go with denis F on this one, but I’ll pad it out a bit.

Q1 No qualifications of any kind are necessary. HOWEVER, the CPC course is a level 3 qualification = “A” level. Any person taking this course would need to be confident of being of the right calibre before commencing.

Q2 I hold both Nat & Int and have also taught both for commercial training providers and a college. My advice here is, it would depend on what type of person you are. By that I mean, if you’ve got children and an active social life you might struggle a bit with home-study. If you’re used to academic life, then you’re fully aware of “how” to study. I would suggest that you should be honest with yourself on that one. That’s entirely a matter of personal choice. I wouldn’t like to advise one way or the other. Some people find it best to attend a properly structured course, where you can ask questions in real time.

Q3 denis F mentioned Freindberry. Mr Friendberry knows his stuff, that’s for sure. He’s also very competitive. Seeing where you are, I couldn’t make any recommendation for a training provider, except to say that SOME colleges have funding available for CPC. Of course, to do that, they’d need a logistics department. Try phoning around, because if you can get CPC at a college, you’ll find it cheaper due to the way that funding works.

To get the balace right, it would be unfair of me to not mention EOS at this point. They have, by far, the most used CPC course in the country. As an average, I’d say that the majority of providers use the EOS powerpoint slides and notes. Everybody I’ve worked for uses EOS.

NOTE TO MODERATOR: I hope I’ll not be seen as biased or with a commercial axe to grind. I thought it fairer if I mentioned at least one other provider of course materials.

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W.T.F. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Studying going well then? :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

dieseldave:
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. As an average, I’d say that the majority of providers use the EOS powerpoint slides and notes.

powerpoint :question: :question: :question:

my experiences of CPC were in 2001 & 2002, don’t think they were using powerpoint then :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: as far as I remember it was using OHP’s

Denis F:

dieseldave:
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. As an average, I’d say that the majority of providers use the EOS powerpoint slides and notes.

powerpoint :question: :question: :question:

my experiences of CPC were in 2001 & 2002, don’t think they were using powerpoint then :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: as far as I remember it was using OHP’s

Good point. Mine was 1997, and the guy just read straight from the student notes that we had. :open_mouth:

OHPs? We used those when I first started instructing. Terrible things. No chance of moving away from the desk. Glare in the eyes. Unbearable heat. Plus all viewfoils had to be manually placed and removed and kept the right way up and in the right order. A NIGHTMARE, especially for a newbie instructor.

Truck driving analogy: the difference between a Gardner 180 v. Scania V8. Yes, that’s about right.

PowerPoint removes all the bad points listed above, plus I walk around the classroom with my “infra-red input device” so the slides move when I want them to. PowerPoint really comes into its own when writing/developing courses though.

OHP v. PowerPoint? No contest.

Dave/Denis,looking to do the CPC as home study course.Thinking about the pack from R.H.A. National Training.
Came across this on e-bay,what do you think?
Click Here

never heard of it before, but it’s reviewed on amazon

Very detailed, up-to-date for 2007 and comes with free audio CD!, 8 Feb 2007
Reviewer: Tony A Jones (Birmingham, England) -
This is a massive course and took me quite by surprise. Upon opening the package you get the large, and I mean large black book that comprises the course book. This manual is divided into 5 major sections covers the syllabus in great detail. One ncie surprise was the free audio revision guide supplied in a smart case on an audio CD.

price is good :wink: the first question I’d ask is when was it last updated as questions are changed regularly ( Dave will probably know how often)

the only other thing niggling me is it’s all in one folder! the home study course i used all those years ago came in 4 folders, does it have enough detail ?
how many folders do other home study packs use ?

Hi would like some advice on this too! when i was looking at training thought a different company they told me i had to do my CPC to get the free artic training, i assumed they meant the drivers CPC not the Operators!

I paid my money to find out it was the Operators which was a little advanced for someone who had never even sat in a truck let alone drove one and understood the industry!

I went with another company and i have had to except the financial loss, albeit that i got a CPC book which does look good and they say “idiot Proof” should work for me then!

I know i will have to do the Drivers CPC when it becomes compulsory in 2009 but the first company said it should only take me 8 weeks to study for the Operators CPC!

Surely this cant be the case? otherwise everyone would have one and learning the transport managers role, vat, maths i didnt know existed can be that quick and easy to learn for your average non mensa person can it? and are courses advised?

Thanks for any help on this! :stuck_out_tongue:

To both gsm31 and firebird

Without wishing to be “smart” I’d say that it all comes down to some serious soul searching. (Do this in front of a mirror and look yourself in the eye)

The first question I’d ask you to consider is: Are you of the right calibre?
(I don’t need an answer to that BTW.) My advice: Be honest with yourself.

The fact of the matter is that the CPC we’re discussing is a Level3 qualification. Relating that to academia, it means that it’s the same degree of difficulty as an “A” level. I’m afraid that the time taken to do it is irrelevant.

So that’s your first question. From my own experience teaching it, I’ve seen people in tears by lunchtime on the first day, because they’ve realised it was too difficult. All decent training providers should offer a “taster” day so that they, and you can come to an informed decision as to whether you should commit to doing it. Also, from experience, I’ve seen people who have struggled with home study for various reasons, come to a classroom and say I wish I’d done it this way right from the start.

It really is a matter of personal choice

Next question: Home study Vs classroom? My answer will always be: it depends on the type of person you are. For example, if you have small children or a busy social life, you’d probably be better in a classroom. You’d still have to do some study at home in the evenings though. On the other hand, if you live alone with fairly fixed hours, you would probably cope with home study. My advice: Be honest with yourself.

Then there’s the pros and cons. With home study, you can take as long as you like. In a classroom, it’s all over in typically 5-7 days. Although there is a set syllabus, there isn’t a set timetable. This is a strange qualification, because the tutor doesn’t have to be qualified either :exclamation: The examining body leaves that to market forces :exclamation: :exclamation: However, the exams can ONLY be done at an approved premises.

I know of people who do one module at a time- that works for them. Nobody has to do the whole thing in one go. The exams are held on a set day four times per year. Credits gained are “saved” and when you’ve got the full set, you cash them in for a full certificate. Logically, you could do the qualification in 3 shots then you can focus on each bit at a time. Currently, two of the exams are multi-choice and don’t generally cause many problems. The third part is called “case study” and, if you’re going to fail something, it’ll most likely be that one.

Case study fails are usually caused by candidates not taking notice of instructions. Sorry, but from my experience that’s just the way of it.

I’d advise caution with regard to the book on eBay AND buying it from Amazon. Not because either of them are dodgy, but my totor’s instinct tells me that you’ll have NO WAY of knowing whether the book you have is “in sync” with the exam that you’ll take. Especially if you take the module-by-module option, because it is almost certain that there’ll be changes over a nine-month period. However, doing this module-by-module approach in a reputable trainer’s classroom removes that risk.

The awarding body, OCR, makes changes to the exams to reflect changes in the law, sometimes quickly, sometimes more slowly. A high quality course provider also feeds information to their customer, the training providers, of when any changes to law will end up being included in the exam. (Training providers don’t normally write their own courses, Mr Friendberry does, for example.)

Finances: As a very rough average, I’d expect to pay £600-700 for full tuition then there may be exam fees and VAT. You should check carefully and compare on a like-for-like basis. As I’ve pointed out, there is funding available at SOME colleges- it just so happens that the NW region was first off the mark, so many other regions are still playing catch-up. There are always ways and means and this situation is continuously developing. Colleges also have specialist staff and would quite quickly know whether a candidate is of the right calibre. Colleges also have student support systems. External providers don’t often have these.

I know of one candidate, who chose home study. That person took the three exams at one take. 1 pass + 2 fails. Next exam (three months later) two exams 1 pass and 1 fail. Next exam (another three months later) 1 exam and 1 fail. Now repeat that for the next three attempts = Still hasn’t gained a full certificate. I’ve known this person for 10+ years and gave advice which was ignored. Still doing home study, last I heard. :cry: Loads of cash wasted. :cry: You just can’t tell some people :exclamation:

Last point: The cheapest doesn’t necessarily represent the best value, you’d be very unwise to compare on price alone.

I hope this helps (Please PM me, if you’re still unsure.)

Firebird:
I know i will have to do the Drivers CPC when it becomes compulsory in 2009 but the first company said it should only take me 8 weeks to study for the Operators CPC!

If you get your C+E before 10th Sept 2009 you won’t actually have to do any Driver CPC training until 2014 - you get the initial qualification by “acquired rights”

you then have 5 years to undertake the 35 hours training

Denis F:

Firebird:
I know i will have to do the Drivers CPC when it becomes compulsory in 2009 but the first company said it should only take me 8 weeks to study for the Operators CPC!

If you get your C+E before 10th Sept 2009 you won’t actually have to do any Driver CPC training until 2014 - you get the initial qualification by “acquired rights”

you then have 5 years to undertake the 35 hours training

Good job you didn’t use the expression “grandfather rights” otherwise you’d end up “assisting with enquiries” :wink: I love the new signature BTW. This from somebody who understood every word when the centurion caught the grafitti-artist. I think we’re fellow connoisseurs…

thanks very much for the points peeps, have been searching through loads of training providers recently, shooting off emails, and trawling through the OCR websites associated documentation

getting into the idea now, didnt think i’d be up for more study so relatively soon after passing the class C, but this is a different kettle of fish entirely, and I have always been more at home with theory type exams than with practical

will be heading for home study i think, I like to consider myself good at absorbing information, and if its heavy going, it means I can set my own study pattern to suit

given that its a lifetime qualification, there is no real benefit to hanging around with it, if I am ever going to do it, the time may as well be now, while I am still enthusiastic about the industry

will keep you posted on progress :slight_smile: