I knew it was a big number anyway 
del trotter:
instantKarma:
well done cameron, keep up the good work! [zb]Funny his mum felt up to giving a quote yet did [zb] all to resolve the situation.
Given that he died aged 59, his mother was almost certainly in her 80ās, perhaps there wasnāt much she could do to resolve the situation?
maestegboy:
Well im knackered putting all the hours in i can ready for xmas ,my wages are all spent before they get to the bank,and i,m wondering how the hell do people on benefits manage.
Just the street i live in has about 13 households with disabled blue badges in their brand new cars ,
I,d say 80% of them could work but they choose not to!!
The people on benefits or disability allowance seem to get everything for free,if they are genuine then No problem with that!I,m thinking is it worth working ā¦
In the end does it pay to work.
My rant over.
Iām not being in any way funny with you but you aint managing your money properley, they are.
ckm1981:
Never understood why people involve themselves in worrying about others and how they live their life,youāll never change what they do/what they are given so why waste you time involving yourself with it?!
Iām quite happy to work hard and enjoy what it brings me,as long as Iām ok I couldnāt give a [zb] what others are upto.
Are you off your head? You better believe I give a (zb). I get up at 5am to work all day and I get about Ā£100 (give or take) removed in tax from what I earn. This is what pays for lazy (zb)holes to claim benefits and never contribute. Thatās what gets my goat.
So to get some perspective, benefit fraud represents 2% of the estimated total annual fraud in the UK.
Public sector fraud, is Ā£20.3 billion a year, so within this category it accounts for just under 8%. The majority of this Ā£20 billion is tax fraud which costs the economy Ā£14 billion annually, or 69%
So we can see that both in absolute and percentage terms tax fraud is a much bigger issue than benefit fraud.
In fact, out of all the categories of fraud calculated by the UK Government, 'benefit fraud is the second lowestā. Only identity fraud which costs individuals Ā£1.4billion a year comes below it.
Get the tories out, donāt vote for UKIP and make corporations PAY THEIR WAY. Or, you can carry on blaming the poor, thatās what they tell us to do in the papers anyway.
So if we say benefit fraud is roughly Ā£2Bn, that is still a large sum of money. Its equivalent to the total council tax receipts for over 2 million homes in band A. Its the amount being cut from Police funding for 2014/15 and is equivalent to 1/8th of the total running costs of the UK police.
I have to laugh when people go on about people on benefits, personally, Iāve never been on them, even though I brought up 2 boys from the age of 3 and 6, but the same moaners will go in to Starbucks order off Amazon ectā¦ who cost this Country far more in lost taxes than any benefit scroungers.
The-Snowman:
ckm1981:
Never understood why people involve themselves in worrying about others and how they live their life,youāll never change what they do/what they are given so why waste you time involving yourself with it?!
Iām quite happy to work hard and enjoy what it brings me,as long as Iām ok I couldnāt give a [zb] what others are upto.Are you off your head? You better believe I give a (zb). I get up at 5am to work all day and I get about Ā£100 (give or take) removed in tax from what I earn. This is what pays for lazy (zb)holes to claim benefits and never contribute. Thatās what gets my goat.
I actually got a letter from HMRC last week thanking me for paying all my tax last financial year, and they included a lovely colour pie chart showing me where all my tax money had been spent, and the biggest segment by far was the welfare state.
It gets my back up!!! My wife is a teacher who teachers children with sever disabilities, she put in a request for a stand alone white board for her class room as certain disabled children canāt reach the wall mounted one, it was declined as the school has had its budget cut, so I went out and bough it for her with my own money. One weekend in the summer holidays I went over and hung all the pictures and displays she needed hanging up as budget cuts meant there is now only 1 caretaker and no handyman for hanging pictures etc.
I will try and find the lovely pie chart and scan it in and post it up.
and when you do scan it and put it up will you also put up the bit where all teachers (including your wifes in future ) bin men traffic wardens eg public sector pensions now count as a benefit for accounting nice bit of slight of hand by the condems you will also note that former ministers pensions are NOT included in theses figures now i wonder why that is 
and when you do scan it and put it up will you also put up the bit where all teachers (including your wifes in future ) bin men traffic wardens eg public sector pensions now count as a benefit for accounting nice bit of slight of hand by the condems you will also note that former ministers pensions are NOT included in theses figures now i wonder why that is
danalex84:
I will try and find the lovely pie chart and scan it in and post it up.
Did it show the Ā£224 million the Government recently had to pay an American Company because it couldnāt manage the Borders Agency Contract and was sacked ?
I disagree with this business of āclaw backā on benefits already received. About 2 years back, I was given a fairly decent top-up. I put in loads of hours over Christmas - and guess what? - I had to pay back pretty much pound for pound what Iād earned. So much for āmaking work payā FFSā¦
Thing is, I actually ended up āpaying to workā because Iād originally been given around Ā£4k in tax credits, worked and earned Ā£4k gross, paid tax and insurance on it, thus took home around Ā£2500, and then they want the Ā£4k BACK because Iāve overshot the thresholdā¦
Now, If Iād said āNope, Iām gonna sit on my arse all over Christmasā I wouldnāt have fallen into this trap of course.
THIS year Iāve got to make the choice as of next week of āgoing full timeā or āsundays only until Marchā as to not fall for the same trick as last year - loadsamoney across Christmas, then not enough Jan-March to make up for what Iāve had clawed back off me already.
Letās see what happens with my full time application thenā¦ 
The middle ground just doesnāt pay anymore. Itās all or nothing. I guess my experiment was doomed to fail the moment the Tories screwed over the system on taking office in 2010.
Iām not gonna chase any of this Ā£500 bonus work I keep hearing about at the supermarkets - because itās gonna die the death in January - thus repeating last yearās mistakeā¦
I believe that firms prepared to employ you in January - are the very ones prepared to offer out full time jobs any time nowā¦
danalex84:
The-Snowman:
ckm1981:
Never understood why people involve themselves in worrying about others and how they live their life,youāll never change what they do/what they are given so why waste you time involving yourself with it?!
Iām quite happy to work hard and enjoy what it brings me,as long as Iām ok I couldnāt give a [zb] what others are upto.Are you off your head? You better believe I give a (zb). I get up at 5am to work all day and I get about Ā£100 (give or take) removed in tax from what I earn. This is what pays for lazy (zb)holes to claim benefits and never contribute. Thatās what gets my goat.
I actually got a letter from HMRC last week thanking me for paying all my tax last financial year, and they included a lovely colour pie chart showing me where all my tax money had been spent, and the biggest segment by far was the welfare state.
It gets my back up!!! My wife is a teacher who teachers children with sever disabilities, she put in a request for a stand alone white board for her class room as certain disabled children canāt reach the wall mounted one, it was declined as the school has had its budget cut, so I went out and bough it for her with my own money. One weekend in the summer holidays I went over and hung all the pictures and displays she needed hanging up as budget cuts meant there is now only 1 caretaker and no handyman for hanging pictures etc.I will try and find the lovely pie chart and scan it in and post it up.
You really need to read this mate. bbc.co.uk/news/business-29898083
( huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ā¦ 39192.html tounge in cheek version)
The pie chart you received is well documented government propaganda. Itās not meant to enlighten you, itās meant to alienate. Donāt believe ANYTHING the government churn out as they have an agenda that is not in our interst (our as in, us the people, you and me and your family and neighbours).
It pays a Con Serf Ative government to make the masses believe that āItās all the fault of the unemployed layaboutsā rather than blame themselves for not levying taxes in the right places, or throwing away money abroard unnecessarilyā¦
Labour got elected in 1997 by not alienating the very middle classes that usually allows the Tories to be elected.
What now though?
Labour have got a lot of new support from Immigrants, Tories from disenchanted Blair voters, and UKIP from Disenchanted Cameron voters.
Being āup our streetā as the road issues are - NO politician has done what needs to be done on the roads - make it more friendly for commercial traffic, and very expensive indeed for non-commercial ācommutersā who should bloody well be using public transport, instead of filling up their jags on taxpayer claimbacks. 
Which party is the proper enemy of āExpenses Eddieā and āClaimback Clariceā?
Why not level the playing field by preventing anyone from claiming āfuelā and ātravelā expenses - unless they are a commercial road firm or professional driverā¦
You want to be a ārepā in a non-transport industry and drive a flash gas guzzler? Or use your Rolls to commute to London when you can take the train, bus, or boat? - You damned well pay for it yourself then!
As it stands, these people drain FAR more money out of the system each year with their bull tax claimbacks and offsets than even those on maxed-out ābenefitsāā¦ 
Rant over.
+1
windrush:
Having to give work (driving) up at the age of 52 to care for my missus I was on benefits for ten years until my private pension kicked in. Missus has various benefits so I was put on Income Support to supplement my Ā£40 (approx) carers allowance and was told that I could earn Ā£70 on top of that with part time work. However I was then told (by the benefits folk) that if I earned the Ā£70 I would have to pay council tax, would not get free medical treatment (dentist, opticians etc) and prescriptions for my wife and myself, so they advised me not to bother as I would lose more than I made! We could also have had a mobility car but decided to have the allowance instead as we had our own car and the money was more useful, hence how disabled folk CAN have a new car but it is never theirs though. So we have managed OK but have never been wealthy, we now have to find Ā£2,500 for a new gas boiler and that comes out of our own pockets and run a ten year old car, also the wife has various mobility aids like a powered scooter and two wheelchairs which again are funded by us so for every pound you gain you seem to pay double out again just like most other āordinaryā couples!
Disabled folk also come in many guises, my Brother in Law has been registered Disabled for years due to an industrial injury but still works full time as a bus mechanic so doesnāt draw any allowances. He has a Blue Badge though.Pete.
if your wife is disabled she is most likely entitled to a new boiler,also loft and cavity insulation if neededā¦ not all that are claiming are spongers and I have total respect for people like yourself that have given up their life to help a loved oneā¦my mum doesnāt smoke or drink but has suffered 4 heart attacks,she carries no weight at all but is also a diabetic,suffers with other serious health issuesā¦best of luck with getting a new boiler matey
maestegboy:
Well im knackered putting all the hours in i can ready for xmas ,my wages are all spent before they get to the bank,and i,m wondering how the hell do people on benefits manage.
And after this statement everyone seems to know all about benefits and who should and shouldnāt get them. The fact a lorry driver has no money left is not something anyone wants to comment on or can offer advice on. Amazing, as most here are lorry drivers and are not on benefits. Better than amazing actually.
ajt:
I always used to think tax the rich give to the poor then one day i thought, wtf should someone who has made a go of life, worked hard, built up a business etc have to subsidise those who canāt be bothered to put the effort in!
I agree. I know of a chap who worked his way up from the bottom, ended up with a PhD in his chosen trade (finance). Ended up running the company very successfully.
Why shouldnāt he be paid well/have a bonus?
In fact this whole ābankers bonusesā thing is of no consequence to most. I mean I donāt care how much an investment banker earns or gets in bonuses in the same way I donāt care how much Mark Zuckerberg earns - I donāt pay his wages. Now those retail banks owned by the taxpayer Iām less inclined to turn a blind eye to.
On benefits, I know of a bloke who last worked forty years ago clearing glasses in a pub; gets his council rent paid for and a new car every three years courtesy of the taxpayer.
Similarly my neighbour, hasnāt worked in five years, council property so rent and council tax on the taxpayer, no reason why she canāt work.
It really doesnāt pay to work nowadays really.
dobermann1:
Disabled Facilities Grants: Overview - GOV.UK
if your wife is disabled she is most likely entitled to a new boiler,also loft and cavity insulation if neededā¦ not all that are claiming are spongers and I have total respect for people like yourself that have given up their life to help a loved oneā¦my mum doesnāt smoke or drink but has suffered 4 heart attacks,she carries no weight at all but is also a diabetic,suffers with other serious health issuesā¦best of luck with getting a new boiler matey
No dobermann1, my wife doesnāt get the benefit that entitles us to a new boiler. If I was still on income support British Gas would have supplied one free but alas my old works pension allows me Ā£10 too much money to claim Income Support or Pension Credit! We have no cavity walls anyway and I insulated the loft years ago. What did annoy me slightly (!) was that while she was in Hospital, and later a Care Home, following her breaking her first ankle (she broke her other ankle a month later, plus both wrists) I totally forgot that I was still being paid as her carer, I was visiting her at least once a day and doing her washing plus in Hospital I attended to her bed pan and catheter at times as the staff were too busy so in my mind I was still caring! However I recieved a Ā£60 fine from the Benefits office for neglecting to inform them that she wasnāt at home, I should have notified them within 24 hours apparently, plus of course any payments made were dragged back. They also stopped Anneās benefits while she was in hospital but it took three months after she was home before they decided to restart them again so things were tight for a while. I also had to buy a special bed for her before they would allow her to come home, and also convert the living room into a bedroom for her. They gave me just three days notice to arrange that or we would be paying Ā£600 per week to keep her in the care home as the council refused to fund it any further!
Back in May we applied for a dropped kerb to make wheelchair access easier, of course that hasnāt been done yet even though the council marked it out a couple of months ago so I have to wheel her up and down a ramp on a 1 in 5 slope, great fun!!
There are those who get and those who donāt, doesnāt bother me unduly now as I realise that life isnāt fair to everybody.
Pete.