threewheelsonmywagon:
It’s been my humble opinion for a long time that EVERY road user should have to experience the road from every other road user’s perspective, before they’re allowed to use a public highway.
Without taking sides, if lorry drivers, sorry, “truckers” , had to ride a cycle on a busy road, (and yes, I do just that regularly), they might appreciate how a cyclist feels with 44 ton a few feet from his chuff. Similarly, all cyclists should have to ride in a lorry to make them aware of how vulnerable their stupidity makes them, amongst other things.
Most of the general motoring public neither know nor care about anyone else on the road, hence the “I’m going to drive at 40 mph in the middle lane of the M1 through the 50 mph limit, and sod everyone else” brigade. When I first met my OH, she openly admitted to me that she found lorries a nuisance, taking up all the road and taking hours to get going, etc, etc. Gentle education has altered her opinion somewhat .
Even if folk don’t care, if they had the knowledge, the roads might just be that little bit safer.
TROTSKY3:
Cyclists should be trained before being allowed on the road I’ve passed my car test, full bike test and hold a Class 1 license I think I know how to use a road , and also pay their way, zero emissions means zero payment even if it has four wheels they should have to take lessons, sit hazard and theory ,pass a test , be insured, and have a roadworthy vehicle, and be prosecuted for their faults they are. they do not have to read the highway code so don’t even know the rules of the road, but have the right to use it, maybe letting them ride on the pavement and hitting a pedestrian is safer than letting them on the road.
There’s good and bad drivers of all vehicles on the road including trucks too
How many times do drivers moan on here about other car/truck/van/motorcycle drivers/riders and all these come with tests and training so maybe it’s not the lack of training but the lack of brains/ability/care that’s the problem
Nothing wrong with being on a bike . If it obeys the rules of the road which let’s be frank most won’t because they’re too arrogant , selfish , inpatient
Quite frankly i believe all cycles should be registered and have number plates , that way when they’re caught doing something stupid they can get nicked like the rest of us
TROTSKY3:
Cyclists should be trained before being allowed on the road I’ve passed my car test, full bike test and hold a Class 1 license I think I know how to use a road , and also pay their way, zero emissions means zero payment even if it has four wheels they should have to take lessons, sit hazard and theory ,pass a test , be insured, and have a roadworthy vehicle, and be prosecuted for their faults they are. they do not have to read the highway code so don’t even know the rules of the road, but have the right to use it, maybe letting them ride on the pavement and hitting a pedestrian is safer than letting them on the road.
There’s good and bad drivers of all vehicles on the road including trucks too
How many times do drivers moan on here about other car/truck/van/motorcycle drivers/riders and all these come with tests and training so maybe it’s not the lack of training but the lack of brains/ability/care that’s the problem
i never mentioned emissions… so that’s sorted…,( i drive a car that is exempt) but insurance, mot, legal tyres, brakes, lights, THEY DO NOT PAY THEIR WAY, You may have experience of the road, but many ,many don’t even know the highway code, no training whatsoever , and I think they should, as for prosecution , the law basically have no way of identifying them ,as they do with registered vehicles, other than a photo of a guy with sunglasses and earphones, and a plastic hat ,wearing lycra.
so basically with all your experience you would only need a roadworthy vehicle and insurance to ride your pushbike on the road.
some might insist on a check up from the neck up ,but i wont go that far.
Cant do that sorry " health and safety" they might get caught in the wheel of a passing wagon and drag you in , then the wagon driver would have to be prosecuted for having a wheel.
Radar19:
Should be cyclists sitting in cabs so they can see how they dissappear in the blindspots.
truckyboy:
It happens in cars too, I was behind another car waiting to turn right into a major road, so a car stopped to let us out and the first car moved off, I moved towards the stop line ready to go, when this idiot on a bike thought courtesy didn’t affect him, so rode up the inside of the cars, stopping me from getting out, I wound the window down and called him a few choice words, then he stopped, so I got out and said you had time to stop now, why couldn’t you have waited in the queue like others, I was just about to smack him one when he ran and jumped back on his bike, I wanted to chase him, but my missus told me to calm down, they make me so angry when they just don’t give a toss about others.
I thought it was a stupid stunt,when one of the drivers said " he could see why the cyclist was in a position on the road" ONE WAY TO SOLVE BIKE PROBLEM there should be an exclusion zone on rear and nearside of truck that a twit on a bike should not enter end of.I saw a silly sign on an 8x4 it was between 2nd and 3rd axles it said beware large vehicle,are they jestting if an 8x4 tipper can not been seen without a silly sign stuck between the axles world gone mad
Cant do that sorry " health and safety" they might get caught in the wheel of a passing wagon and drag you in , then the wagon driver would have to be prosecuted for having a wheel.
No, it’s the “If you’ve got Tassels, I want Tassels” debate.
It’s either we all get Tassels or No One gets Tassels.
Or I’m taking my Ball home & we’re not playing any more.
The thing is that the vast majority of cyclists do “pay their way” as they have cars as well as bikes. Cyclists don’t have to pay a tax because if they did you would have to get pedestrians to pay, they use the roads also. And let’s face it, yes you might have the odd cyclist that gets in your busy way for a few seconds, but are they worse than the driver pulling in front of you before braking? The middle lane hogger? The tool that stops in the narrowest part of the road before flashing you through? The lorry driver that pulls out to overtake you on a DC doing 0.1kph faster than you? My advice would be to get used to them, there are going to be plenty more on the road over the next few years, and I’ve yet to see or hear of a cyclist winning the truck v bike match.
the answer to the cycling problem is easy,just let Jeremy Clarkson sort it out, if you don’t know what I mean,just watch the top gear episode on push bikes its brill
Can’t agree with Billy Hunt. If you have a car, you tax and insure it, not talking about low or zero emissions. If you have a second car that you use for recreation or other reasons, you have to tax and insure it too, so the same goes for a bike, surely. A bike rider has a responsibility to use the road safely and to show a bit of care, consideration and common sense to other road users, so why not make them identifiable by a number plate.
I’ve said before that there are drivers of all types of vehicles out there that shouldn’t be on the road, but when I’m on a bike (not often nowadays) I don’t get in everyone’s way, I don’t go up the inside of anything that might be turning left, I don’t go round parked cars without checking to see if it’s clear to move out, I don’t run lights or ride across pedestrian crossings. There are plenty more do’s and don’ts but basically it’s common sense and self preservation, not ignoring road rules knowing that I’ll get away with it because there’s no means of identifying me.
I really think that for the most part, it’s cyclists that need educating.
royhebb2:
the answer to the cycling problem is easy,just let Jeremy Clarkson sort it out, if you don’t know what I mean,just watch the top gear episode on push bikes its brill
peterm:
Can’t agree with Billy Hunt. If you have a car, you tax and insure it, not talking about low or zero emissions. If you have a second car that you use for recreation or other reasons, you have to tax and insure it too, so the same goes for a bike, surely. A bike rider has a responsibility to use the road safely and to show a bit of care, consideration and common sense to other road users, so why not make them identifiable by a number plate.
I’ve said before that there are drivers of all types of vehicles out there that shouldn’t be on the road, but when I’m on a bike (not often nowadays) I don’t get in everyone’s way, I don’t go up the inside of anything that might be turning left, I don’t go round parked cars without checking to see if it’s clear to move out, I don’t run lights or ride across pedestrian crossings. There are plenty more do’s and don’ts but basically it’s common sense and self preservation, not ignoring road rules knowing that I’ll get away with it because there’s no means of identifying me.
I really think that for the most part, it’s cyclists that need educating.
Many countries & cities have tried the number plate on bikes, not one has managed to keep it, it’s just too expensive to administer. And again, motor vehicles have them & that stops nobody driving like a tool. The fact is that, once you put an engine in something it becomes a lethal weapon, the onus is on the driver to drive safely. I, and many many other drivers, have had no problems with cyclists in over 30 years on the road, and yes I do drive through city centres. You see them, you wait for a place to get past them, you go past safely, what’s hard about that? You as a driver have to take responsibility, you might not like it but that’s part of the job.
peterm:
Can’t agree with Billy Hunt. If you have a car, you tax and insure it, not talking about low or zero emissions. If you have a second car that you use for recreation or other reasons, you have to tax and insure it too, so the same goes for a bike, surely. A bike rider has a responsibility to use the road safely and to show a bit of care, consideration and common sense to other road users, so why not make them identifiable by a number plate.
I’ve said before that there are drivers of all types of vehicles out there that shouldn’t be on the road, but when I’m on a bike (not often nowadays) I don’t get in everyone’s way, I don’t go up the inside of anything that might be turning left, I don’t go round parked cars without checking to see if it’s clear to move out, I don’t run lights or ride across pedestrian crossings. There are plenty more do’s and don’ts but basically it’s common sense and self preservation, not ignoring road rules knowing that I’ll get away with it because there’s no means of identifying me.
I really think that for the most part, it’s cyclists that need educating.
that just about sums it up ,but for some reason some of them either think they are invincible or they are just plain ignorant
BillyHunt:
The thing is that the vast majority of cyclists do “pay their way” as they have cars as well as bikes. Cyclists don’t have to pay a tax because if they did you would have to get pedestrians to pay, they use the roads also. And let’s face it, yes you might have the odd cyclist that gets in your busy way for a few seconds, but are they worse than the driver pulling in front of you before braking? The middle lane hogger? The tool that stops in the narrowest part of the road before flashing you through? The lorry driver that pulls out to overtake you on a DC doing 0.1kph faster than you? My advice would be to get used to them, there are going to be plenty more on the road over the next few years, and I’ve yet to see or hear of a cyclist winning the truck v bike match.
they don’t pay their way , not one penny , millions of uninsured drivers on our roads, pedestrians cross the road not use it. sometimes there is no footpath.
There’s different types of cyclists,recreational,student(i.e dippie Doris with a pink helmet and a basket on the front,and the clown cyclist who has no self preservation. This type I’ve seen on a Police,Camera,Action episode were he barely could get through between a stationary coach and pavement,using his left foot on the kerb to guide himself through. I used to cycle alot back in my teens during summer holidays,and when I approach stationary traffic at traffic lights,I would always stay behind (kerbside) the last vehicle,never filtered through,and used the appropiate signals when turning,especially when needing to get into a right turn lane. It’s just instinctive to avoid injury
BillyHunt:
The thing is that the vast majority of cyclists do “pay their way” as they have cars as well as bikes. Cyclists don’t have to pay a tax because if they did you would have to get pedestrians to pay, they use the roads also. And let’s face it, yes you might have the odd cyclist that gets in your busy way for a few seconds, but are they worse than the driver pulling in front of you before braking? The middle lane hogger? The tool that stops in the narrowest part of the road before flashing you through? The lorry driver that pulls out to overtake you on a DC doing 0.1kph faster than you? My advice would be to get used to them, there are going to be plenty more on the road over the next few years, and I’ve yet to see or hear of a cyclist winning the truck v bike match.
they don’t pay their way , not one penny , millions of uninsured drivers on our roads, pedestrians cross the road not use it. sometimes there is no footpath.
Now you’re just showing your ignorance, the roads are paid for out of general taxation, so roads are paid for by some people that don’t drive or cycle, pedestrians for instance. If you earn money & pay tax then you pay, simple as. Your vehicle tax is but a small part of what goes into the pot.
If a pedestrian is crossing a road then they are using it, wether there is a footpath or not is neither here nor there, the fact is they’re crossing the road, clue is in the phrase.
BillyHunt:
The thing is that the vast majority of cyclists do “pay their way” as they have cars as well as bikes. Cyclists don’t have to pay a tax because if they did you would have to get pedestrians to pay, they use the roads also. And let’s face it, yes you might have the odd cyclist that gets in your busy way for a few seconds, but are they worse than the driver pulling in front of you before braking? The middle lane hogger? The tool that stops in the narrowest part of the road before flashing you through? The lorry driver that pulls out to overtake you on a DC doing 0.1kph faster than you? My advice would be to get used to them, there are going to be plenty more on the road over the next few years, and I’ve yet to see or hear of a cyclist winning the truck v bike match.
they don’t pay their way , not one penny , millions of uninsured drivers on our roads, pedestrians cross the road not use it. sometimes there is no footpath.
Now you’re just showing your ignorance, the roads are paid for out of general taxation, so roads are paid for by some people that don’t drive or cycle, pedestrians for instance. If you earn money & pay tax then you pay, simple as. Your vehicle tax is but a small part of what goes into the pot.
If a pedestrian is crossing a road then they are using it, wether there is a footpath or not is neither here nor there, the fact is they’re crossing the road, clue is in the phrase.
make your mind up Billy Hunt (rhymes with), you insure your vehicle, a pedestrian does not have a vehicle. I think cyclists should have insurance , if a cyclist goes into the back of you on his vehicle and damages your vehicle or worse, I believe cyclists should be insured to use the roads the same as all the other insured road users ,so im IGNORANT. Ive never mentioned taxing a cyclist.
TROTSKY3:
Cyclists should be trained before being allowed on the road , and also pay their way, they should have to take lessons, sit hazard and theory ,pass a test , be insured, and have a roadworthy vehicle, and be prosecuted for their faults . they do not have to read the highway code so don’t even know the rules of the road, but have the right to use it, maybe letting them ride on the pavement and hitting a pedestrian is safer than letting them on the road.
Worst idea ive ever heard. The reason most people use push bikes is because there a cheap way to get around. So if you brought these regulations in no one would bother riding them. And so there would be more vehicle’s on the road. Also they can get prosecuted for their faults
, had to ride a cycle on a busy road, (and yes, I do just that regularly), they might appreciate how a cyclist feels with 44 ton a few feet from his chuff. Similarly, all cyclists should have to ride in a lorry to make them aware of how vulnerable their stupidity makes them, amongst other things.
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