Watch out for Liberal Democrat London mayoral candidate, she wants freight on the river and ban lorries at peak hours to protect cyclists .
Her name is Caroline Pidgeon .
Absolutely no problems with this at all, let her crack on with it, then let her explain why customers in London can’t get anything, and when they do, why its five times the price. Alternatively, why not ban private cars on alternate days, like in Delhi (?), and get people using this massively funded public transport?
scaniason:
Absolutely no problems with this at all, let her crack on with it, then let her explain why customers in London can’t get anything, and when they do, why its five times the price. Alternatively, why not ban private cars on alternate days, like in Delhi (?), and get people using this massively funded public transport?
+1
I did a transport managers course 16 years ago, in another life, and back then there was lots of excitable talk about taking non-urgent freight off the roads, and back onto rails and even the canal system.
Still nothing but talk. In principle, nothing wrong with looking at these potential solutions - in practice, the infrastructure and freight forwarders just aren’t capable at this time.
Big cities should have transport hubs outside of the congestion areas, artics deliver there, then smaller vehicles go in to the congested areas .
Not many drivers like going in to London .
All towns and cities in Europe have suitable diversion routes for lorries .
The media portray drivers are at fault for killing cyclists but conveniently forget to mention cyclists colliding with a left turning lorry, the blindspot problem .
The cab design needs to change.
toby1234abc:
Big cities should have transport hubs outside of the congestion areas, artics deliver there, then smaller vehicles go in to the congested areas .
Not many drivers like going in to London .
All towns and cities in Europe have suitable diversion routes for lorries .
The media portray drivers are at fault for killing cyclists but conveniently forget to mention cyclists colliding with a left turning lorry, the blindspot problem .
The cab design needs to change.
Trucks don’t generally go into London as a through route.The idea of trans shipping truckloads onto smaller vehicles isn’t realistic.The best practical answer to the cyclist risk problem is a day time truck ban.
Carryfast:
toby1234abc:
Big cities should have transport hubs outside of the congestion areas, artics deliver there, then smaller vehicles go in to the congested areas .
Not many drivers like going in to London .
All towns and cities in Europe have suitable diversion routes for lorries .
The media portray drivers are at fault for killing cyclists but conveniently forget to mention cyclists colliding with a left turning lorry, the blindspot problem .
The cab design needs to change.Trucks don’t generally go into London as a through route.The idea of trans shipping truckloads onto smaller vehicles isn’t realistic.The best practical answer to the cyclist risk problem is a day time truck ban.
Yes it is the answer build a number of RDC outside London then no hassel or big lorries in the city.But as we all know nothing will change its just another idea that nothing will come of.
No problem with RDCs outside London, but not every load, as everybody here knows, is suitable for a van. I don’t believe anybody would take a lorry into London through choice, but unless somebody wants to put the investment in (a dirty word in this country), nowts gonna change.
Carryfast:
toby1234abc:
Big cities should have transport hubs outside of the congestion areas, artics deliver there, then smaller vehicles go in to the congested areas .
Not many drivers like going in to London .
All towns and cities in Europe have suitable diversion routes for lorries .
The media portray drivers are at fault for killing cyclists but conveniently forget to mention cyclists colliding with a left turning lorry, the blindspot problem .
The cab design needs to change.Trucks don’t generally go into London as a through route.The idea of trans shipping truckloads onto smaller vehicles isn’t realistic.The best practical answer to the cyclist risk problem is a day time truck ban.
how do i get 48 pallets onto a van 
Mayor of London doesn’t really run London. He/she is dictated to by big business and if they say they need artics in delivering goods to London then it will NEVER be stopped.
Barmy Boris would have stopped HGV traffic years ago otherwise!!
Most of the tube stations have large pax lifts right?
Maybe get tfl to invest in some freight carriages and this could be an option during the night/early mornings?
Looking around the net, it appears various other countries have already sorted Boris’ problem. With a little pre-planning, we could take this idea from China, although the pallets might have to be slightly redesigned:
drive.google.com/file/d/0B25i8x … sp=sharing
Unless of course you have larger items, but even DFS won’t be defeated by this lorry ban, as shown by this ingenious individal:
drive.google.com/file/d/0B25i8x … sp=sharing
(sorry, for some daft reason Google Drive isn’t allowing the images to be embedded - dumb Google!)
burnley-si:
Carryfast:
toby1234abc:
Big cities should have transport hubs outside of the congestion areas, artics deliver there, then smaller vehicles go in to the congested areas .
Not many drivers like going in to London .
All towns and cities in Europe have suitable diversion routes for lorries .
The media portray drivers are at fault for killing cyclists but conveniently forget to mention cyclists colliding with a left turning lorry, the blindspot problem .
The cab design needs to change.Trucks don’t generally go into London as a through route.The idea of trans shipping truckloads onto smaller vehicles isn’t realistic.The best practical answer to the cyclist risk problem is a day time truck ban.
how do i get 48 pallets onto a van
That’s what I said.It ‘isn’t’ ‘realistic’.If it’s a truck load then it needs a truck not loads of 7.5 tonners etc.While there’s no way that we want loads of trans shipment depot space in the Green Belt just because a load of wimp drivers don’t want to work nights. 
scaniason:
Absolutely no problems with this at all, let her crack on with it, then let her explain why customers in London can’t get anything, and when they do, why its five times the price. Alternatively, why not ban private cars on alternate days, like in Delhi (?), and get people using this massively funded public transport?
China do similar, in Beijing there are days you cannot take your car in, depending on the last letter of you reg. That is how they limit car traffic
toby1234abc:
Big cities should have transport hubs outside of the congestion areas, artics deliver there, then smaller vehicles go in to the congested areas .
Not many drivers like going in to London .
All towns and cities in Europe have suitable diversion routes for lorries .
The media portray drivers are at fault for killing cyclists but conveniently forget to mention cyclists colliding with a left turning lorry, the blindspot problem .
The cyclists learning not to undertake vehicles design needs to change.
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Fixed that for ya 
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No issues considering alternative methods, how about re-installing electric milk float type delivery vans - silent running - pollution friendly 
Oh wait, yes we have phev and alternate fuel type vehicles now, silly me 
As CarryFast says all the problems are caused by night time loading restrictions .
Politicals wont admit this as its electoral suicide .
Problem with canals is the same as trains . unless you very lucky you still need lorries to take stuff from factory for loading and a lorry to take from canal/railway for delivery .
Not an effective urban solution .
Nice! I would like an amphibious vehicle (DUKW?) driving up a ramp into central London or trans-shipping onto horse drawn drays.
Carryfast:
toby1234abc:
Big cities should have transport hubs outside of the congestion areas, artics deliver there, then smaller vehicles go in to the congested areas .
Not many drivers like going in to London .
All towns and cities in Europe have suitable diversion routes for lorries .
The media portray drivers are at fault for killing cyclists but conveniently forget to mention cyclists colliding with a left turning lorry, the blindspot problem .
The cab design needs to change.Trucks don’t generally go into London as a through route.The idea of trans shipping truckloads onto smaller vehicles isn’t realistic.The best practical answer to the cyclist risk problem is a day time CYCLIST ban.
FTFY
One horse can pull 1 tonne on the road, 5 tonnes on the rails and 50 tonnes on the water.
Very efficient.
Its the onward distribution though, the final mile.
Got 8 packs of dense blocks going to a site in Kensington. Take it on one truck or it would take 16 vans, it just won’t work.
A high proportion of injuries to cyclists seem to be from tippers. Is that because there are a lot of them, or is there some other reason - like the way drivers get paid by the load?
Using 7½ tonne tippers doesn’t seem very practical.
Most of the problems seem to be with construction vehicles.
Prehaps they shouldn’t keep knocking buildings down and building new ones in zone 1 and 2