Get rid of driver CPC as it stands?

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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caz:
I also found this http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/DriverCPC2010/ but you cant create a new one yet because of the new administration. If I was to create a new one what would everyone’s ‘wants’ be as this petition is just to make employers pay for cpc. In my opinion it should be a free course with loss of earnings refunded by the government and courses conducted by government bodies or instructors have to be approved by them to get rid of these jokers who don’t even know the topic they are teaching. Any one else?

Why not open a new thread with this question?

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A protest is already being signed up to by 100s against the CPC :unamused:

HERE

Admin delete if inappropriate.

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ROG:

johnno:
Overtime is paid work so will still count towards weekly driving hours

ALL Periodic Driver CPC training counts as OTHER WORK - our resident VOSA expert has stated that on this site (paid or unpaid - makes no difference) INFO LINK

so what your saying is, im going to lose a days wage for everytime i do a days cpc training aswell as it counting towards one of my working days all the while having to pay for my own dcpc

{zb} that,

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gogzy:

ROG:

johnno:
Overtime is paid work so will still count towards weekly driving hours

ALL Periodic Driver CPC training counts as OTHER WORK - our resident VOSA expert has stated that on this site (paid or unpaid - makes no difference) INFO LINK

so what your saying is, im going to lose a days wage for everytime i do a days cpc training aswell as it counting towards one of my working days all the while having to pay for my own dcpc

{zb} that,

Training to do your job is classed as work, so the hours will have to count towards your weekly tally.

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johnno:

gogzy:

ROG:

johnno:
Overtime is paid work so will still count towards weekly driving hours

ALL Periodic Driver CPC training counts as OTHER WORK - our resident VOSA expert has stated that on this site (paid or unpaid - makes no difference) INFO LINK

so what your saying is, im going to lose a days wage for everytime i do a days cpc training aswell as it counting towards one of my working days all the while having to pay for my own dcpc

{zb} that,

Training to do your job is classed as work, so the hours will have to count towards your weekly tally.

pffft screw that,

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Gogzy it might count as other work but its no on your card so nobody will know except you :wink:

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merc0447:
Gogzy it might count as other work but its no on your card so nobody will know except you :wink:

There is often ways to fiddle things, until caught :cry: :cry:

Some are honest and it is the principle that stinks.

Some big Companies are paying for drivers training but stating they must do it on a Saturday in their own time not realising it is counting on their hours.

Plus, why should anyone give up 35 hours of their own time without pay.

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johnno:

merc0447:
Gogzy it might count as other work but its no on your card so nobody will know except you :wink:

There is often ways to fiddle things, until caught :cry: :cry:

Some are honest and it is the principle that stinks.

Some big Companies are paying for drivers training but stating they must do it on a Saturday in their own time not realising it is counting on their hours.

Plus, why should anyone give up 35 hours of their own time without pay.

there is ways to fiddle it i know,

i wouldnt be soo pee`d off if i was getting it paid for me and i had to do it on a saturday but its the fact im doing it unpaid, its costing me and its counting towards a day of my working week.

im having to give up 35 hours of my time for what, a bit of plastic to say i can no drive safely for the next 5 years.the pub option sounds better everytime i read this thread lol

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somerset bus driver:
they have already faffed up the dates for PCV entitlement.

They have not - a PCV driver still needs to complete 35 hours before 09/09/2013 to be able to drive PCVs commercially.

If the driver has both LGV & PCV then the expiry date will be 09/09/2019 for both when the DQC is issued - this is to bring both into line on the expiry dates
In the above case then the PCV/LGV driver gets 1 year of PCV Dcpc free from 09/09/2018 to 09/09/2019

sorry - BACK TO TOPIC…

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gogzy:
a bit of plastic to say i can no drive safely for the next 5 years.

The trouble is you could be the worst driver on the road, bend all the rules, have a filthy beaten up truck , fall asleep in the classroom and learn nothing and not care less for anyone else and yet still get a cpc

To be equal to a driver that is fully experienced, obeys the rules, has pride in his motor and helps others out.

Not exactly a qualification is it. :imp: :imp: :imp:

gogzy:
the pub option sounds better everytime i read this thread lol

Your round next :grimacing: :grimacing:

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Let’s do away with the Drivers CPC, the WTD & having to take your second rest break as 30 minutes instead of being alowed to subdivide the 45 minutes as it used to be to start with.

That would mean I wouldn’t need another CPC, I could work every saturday as long as any shortfall in my 45 hour weekly rest was up to date & I wouldn’t have to sit taking yet another 30 minute break while I watch the last work of the day go out of the gate on someone elses lorry.

I still want to do everything legally as I always have done but I could earn more with my truck into the bargain!!

BB

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johnno:

gogzy:
a bit of plastic to say i can no drive safely for the next 5 years.

The trouble is you could be the worst driver on the road, bend all the rules, have a filthy beaten up truck , fall asleep in the classroom and learn nothing and not care less for anyone else and yet still get a cpc

To be equal to a driver that is fully experienced, obeys the rules, has pride in his motor and helps others out.

Not exactly a qualification is it. :imp: :imp: :imp:

gogzy:
the pub option sounds better everytime i read this thread lol

Your round next :grimacing: :grimacing:

exactly, it hasnt been thought out properly,if it was done properly then mayby it wouldnt be soo bad, but what the ell aslong as we do what brussells tell us

and yes its my round if you give me my cpc card :wink:

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ROG:

somerset bus driver:
they have already faffed up the dates for PCV entitlement.

They have not - a PCV driver still needs to complete 35 hours before 09/09/2013 to be able to drive PCVs commercially.

If the driver has both LGV & PCV then the expiry date will be 09/09/2019 for both when the DQC is issued - this is to bring both into line on the expiry dates
In the above case then the PCV/LGV driver gets 1 year of PCV Dcpc free from 09/09/2018 to 09/09/2019

sorry - BACK TO TOPIC…

Sorry ROG but you are wrong. The government DID faff it up. ALL PCV drivers I know that have the full DCPC have the entitlement to 2019 hence my saying that they have messed it up

PCV drivers had to start earlier than HGV and there fore their five years should have been 2013 to 2018.
So, I won’t be bothering with all this carp again until 2019, unless its ditched of course
Edited because I typed in wrong year!!!

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penniebee:
Just wanted to say that you’d get a £60 fine for not having a DCPC card on you at the roadside check, once the deadline is in - but if you’ve not done the full 35 hours DCPC training, then you’re looking at £1000 fine and a potential loss of vocational driving licence as well. A lot of people don’t realise that - but their bosses do and this is why a lot of firms are saying to their drivers, " You’ve got to have DCPC to keep your licence - you pay for the training." Of course they’ll be hammered if they are employing drivers without DCPC qualification when the deadline hits too…

I’m sat on the top of the fence, rather than being on the other side of it - I freelance lecture on DCPC and I hear and appreciate the resentment of DCPC as a whole - the syllabus is so unstructured it’s unreal - you can do the same day five times back to back etc. The main benefit I’ve seen, and students have appreciated, is the sharing of experiences, driver to driver - and refreshing memories on law and drivers hours - not everyone keeps up to date with the regulation changes and more than a few people have gone away enlightened about 15+30 minute breaks when they’ve been doing 3x15’s for years!

I suspect that by 2014 the Govt will have decided to pull the reins in on it and be introducing a more structured syllabus, to give uniform areas of training received - maybe even a test by then - at the moment you just have to stay awake really. And remember, the bus and coach sector are a year further into their first DCPC so we might see a flavour of the next tranche of DCPC by their deadline in 2013.

We’re following Europe as ever - and the Govt’s making money out of DCPC as we speak, not just the upload fees but the inital centre approval fees and annual course approval fees - it’s not going to go away anytime soon.

I just wonder if this is more scaremongering from another bandwagon trainer. Do you have a reliable link to your info?

After all the VOSA pages only suggest a £30 fixed penalty or a (FUE) follow up enquiry unless it is a fraudulent case of forgery or similar.

The Vehicle Drivers (Certificates of Professional Competence) Regulations 2007, Regulations 9 (1) & 10(1), SO-3
Cause / permit:-
Regulations 9 (1) & 10(2), SO-3

Article 7

After a driving period of four and a half hours a driver shall
take an uninterrupted break of not less than 45 minutes,
unless he takes a rest period.

This break may be replaced by a break of at least 15 minutes
followed by a break of at least 30 minutes each distributed
over the period in such a way as to comply with the provisions
of the first paragraph.

EC561/2006 actually came into force on the 11th April 2007, so it is only slightly over 3 years.

As a DCPC Freelance Lecturer you wouldn’t be also telling new drivers there is a huge driver shortage would you Pennibee?

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As per usual when I’m on here I’ve had a couple :smiley: but I do have a mate who’s about to reach retirement WHO can’t afford to(retire) Why should a driver who has spent his working life on the road need a piece of paper from Brussels to say he’s competent to drive? All this legislation is a pile of steaming crap and the fact that crap is censored on a website should worry even the most disinterested driver. WAKE UP FFS! The driver CPC means nothing in the real world. Why are we doing it?

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wibble:
As per usual when I’m on here I’ve had a couple :smiley: but I do have a mate who’s about to reach retirement WHO can’t afford to(retire) Why should a driver who has spent his working life on the road need a piece of paper from Brussels to say he’s competent to drive? All this legislation is a pile of steaming crap and the fact that crap is censored on a website should worry even the most disinterested driver. WAKE UP FFS! The driver CPC means nothing in the real world. Why are we doing it?

see if it was setup to be taught by people who have had 30/40 years on the road im more likely to listen to them than somebody whos less experienced than me or is learning from a book.

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I do buses more than lorries, please bear with me though. Met an older driver had a chin wag asked if he was doing cpc. The guy says no way ,but lots of retired drivers do an hour in the morning and an hour in the afternoon its hardly a job for any one but they are being forced of the road.I looked in a book shop where there was a pile of D.S.A. titles the coach drivers cpc book had pictures of buses with questions asking what can you see HEADlight windscreen exhaust pipe .etc. A bus drivers cpc covers for lorries as well.

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somerset bus driver:
they have already faffed up the dates for PCV entitlement.

ROG:
They have not - a PCV driver still needs to complete 35 hours before 09/09/2013 to be able to drive PCVs commercially.

If the driver has both LGV & PCV then the expiry date will be 09/09/2019 for both when the DQC is issued - this is to bring both into line on the expiry dates
In the above case then the PCV/LGV driver gets 1 year of PCV Dcpc free from 09/09/2018 to 09/09/2019

sorry - BACK TO TOPIC…

somerset bus driver:
Sorry ROG but you are wrong. The government DID faff it up. ALL PCV drivers I know that have the full DCPC have the entitlement to 2019 hence my saying that they have messed it up

PCV drivers had to start earlier than HGV and there fore their five years should have been 2013 to 2018.
So, I won’t be bothering with all this carp again until 2019, unless its ditched of course
Edited because I typed in wrong year!!!

Sorry to go off topic again but I thought this was important -

I have just confirmed all the info with the DSA on their Dcpc hotline 0191 201 8112

The information I gave about those having both LGV & PCV is correct

For those holding PCV only -
all the 35 hours must be completed by 09/09/2013 and the DQC expiry date will be 09/09/2018

For all PCV drivers - any that have not completed the 35 hours by 09/09/2013 will not be able to drive PCVs commercially until the 35 hours have been completed and this is where it gets a little different for those with both PCV & LGV or those with just PCV…

If those with BOTH have not fully completed the 35 hours by 2013 but have completed them by 2014 then see paragraph above for PCV restrictions

Those with just PCV who have not fully completed the 35 hours by 2013 then ALL the 35 hours must be taken again as they missed the deadline

All the above information relates to those with aquired/grandfather rights.

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so basically if your unable to get the 35 hours training done by the deadline you loose all the training you have done soo far and have to shell out even more?

ffs

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gogzy:
so basically if your unable to get the 35 hours training done by the deadline you loose all the training you have done soo far and have to shell out even more?

ffs

YES - that is also true for LGV drivers who do not get all the 35 hours in by 09/09/2014

I’m betting that if there are a lot who have not completed by that date then a change in the rules may occur… but don’t hold your breath on that !!