ROG:
schrodingers cat:
ROG:
I wonder how many would be so against it if it was free and the driver did not lose any monies over it?Me for one, I work for a small company and even if they paid for my training which is easily written off against tax, they lose me for one day per year unnecessarily ,which when you take into account the small margns made in our industry is significant.
Easy overtime on a Saturday
Overtime is paid work so will still count towards weekly driving hours
johnno:
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
johnno:
They are all rubbing their hands together with the extra profits from providing training,The ones that I am in contact with are making a LOSS as the take-up is too low.
Which is one reason why it is very easy to get the ātrainingā for the cost of a ādrinkā and no time in the classroom or attending on a Saturday.
That proves just how worthless it is then
Indeed it does, but it does make it a lot cheaper for those who have to pay for it.
johnno:
Overtime is paid work so will still count towards weekly driving hours
ALL Periodic Driver CPC training counts as OTHER WORK - our resident VOSA expert has stated that on this site (paid or unpaid - makes no difference) INFO LINK
ROG:
johnno:
Overtime is paid work so will still count towards weekly driving hoursALL Periodic Driver CPC training counts as OTHER WORK - our resident VOSA expert has stated that on this site (paid or unpaid - makes no difference)
Doh 
That is what I said 
Coffeeholic:
johnno:
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
johnno:
They are all rubbing their hands together with the extra profits from providing training,The ones that I am in contact with are making a LOSS as the take-up is too low.
Which is one reason why it is very easy to get the ātrainingā for the cost of a ādrinkā and no time in the classroom or attending on a Saturday.
That proves just how worthless it is then
Indeed it does, but it does make it a lot cheaper for those who have to pay for it.
Agreed
So lets make the training down the pub on a saturday night and cost a pint 
johnno:
ROG:
johnno:
Overtime is paid work so will still count towards weekly driving hoursALL Periodic Driver CPC training counts as OTHER WORK - our resident VOSA expert has stated that on this site (paid or unpaid - makes no difference)
Doh
That is what I said
you wre correct but you only mentioned PAID WORK - some do Dcpc unpaid
ROG:
you wre correct but you only mentioned PAID WORK - some do Dcpc unpaid
Well more fools they are then.
johnno:
ROG:
you wre correct but you only mentioned PAID WORK - some do Dcpc unpaidWell more fools they are then.
Owner drivers and agency drivers immediately spring to mind but there are many other drivers who work for very small companies who have to pay for their own Dcpc
We have to remember that the UK Govt have done nothing to assist the drivers on the financial side which is well within their remit
ROG:
We have to remember that the UK Govt have done nothing to assist the drivers on the financial side which is well within their remit
Well they better hurry up and do something 
Although the DSA is unable to release figures ahead of the election on the number of drivers who have undertaken Driver CPC courses in the six months since the scheme started, it is estimated that only 60,000 days have been completed. At this rate, only a quarter of drivers will achieve their Driver CPC by the deadline
By 2014 the Country will come to a stop with 3/4 of drivers not trained and they will end up scrapping it and those that have paid early will be wasting their money (maybe)
ROG:
I agree with just about everything being said.The UK Govt were made to have this EU law (or whatever) but as it was the choice of the UK Govt to be in the EU then the UK Govt should have made sure that no cost was passed onto any driver.
LGV drivers put up with much legislation but do not mind for the most part as they do not have to pay for it - this driver CPC is a different matter for many
I wonder how many would be so against it if it was free and the driver did not lose any monies over it?
I think the whole thing is a load of pish and i am dead against it but i won,t be paying a penny to do it,our lovely scottish government has paid Ā£1000 into my bank account to pay for it,however as an owner driver i resent having to waste 5days of my life over 5yrs being taught how to ā ā ā ā eggs,iāve already got a real cpc(national and international) and that shuold be worth more than this keich
Although Iām all in favour of fighting against this daft training fiasco,I just cannot see that the country will come to a stop in 2014 
I doubt whether VOSA will be interested in checking driver CPC cards in 2014. It will be far too much hassle for them and mean they have to get out of their offices 
I had to do my training āunpaidā. Thats the way it goes for a freelance driver and there are still local āfiddlesā for those who do a bit of research
somerset bus driver:
Although Iām all in favour of fighting against this daft training fiasco,I just cannot see that the country will come to a stop in 2014If only a quarter of drivers have obtained their training going by DSA estimates then how is the other 3/4 of the Country going to get supplies if all those not trained refuse to drive.
I doubt whether VOSA will be interested in checking driver CPC cards in 2014. It will be far too much hassle for them and mean they have to get out of their offices
Are you joking, they will be out on day one issuing as many as possibleĀ£60 fines to build up their kitty, nice easy money.
I had to do my training āunpaidā. Thats the way it goes for a freelance driver and there are still local āfiddlesā for those who do a bit of research
ROG:
ā¦ but as it was the choice of the UK Govt to be in the EU then the UK Govt should have made sure that no cost was passed onto any driver.
Errā¦ ROG, do you recall (roughly) when the UK joined the EU??
Do you reckon that the DCPC was foreseeable back then, and do you honestly think that the āissueā of the DCPC would have been a dealbreaker even if it could have been foreseen??
Weāre in the EU and we have the DCPC, so itās pretty much a done deal whether anybody likes it or not.
Just wanted to say that youād get a Ā£60 fine for not having a DCPC card on you at the roadside check, once the deadline is in - but if youāve not done the full 35 hours DCPC training, then youāre looking at Ā£1000 fine and a potential loss of vocational driving licence as well. A lot of people donāt realise that - but their bosses do and this is why a lot of firms are saying to their drivers, " Youāve got to have DCPC to keep your licence - you pay for the training." Of course theyāll be hammered if they are employing drivers without DCPC qualification when the deadline hits tooā¦
Iām sat on the top of the fence, rather than being on the other side of it - I freelance lecture on DCPC and I hear and appreciate the resentment of DCPC as a whole - the syllabus is so unstructured itās unreal - you can do the same day five times back to back etc. The main benefit Iāve seen, and students have appreciated, is the sharing of experiences, driver to driver - and refreshing memories on law and drivers hours - not everyone keeps up to date with the regulation changes and more than a few people have gone away enlightened about 15+30 minute breaks when theyāve been doing 3x15ās for years!
I suspect that by 2014 the Govt will have decided to pull the reins in on it and be introducing a more structured syllabus, to give uniform areas of training received - maybe even a test by then - at the moment you just have to stay awake really. And remember, the bus and coach sector are a year further into their first DCPC so we might see a flavour of the next tranche of DCPC by their deadline in 2013.
Weāre following Europe as ever - and the Govtās making money out of DCPC as we speak, not just the upload fees but the inital centre approval fees and annual course approval fees - itās not going to go away anytime soon.
johnno:
somerset bus driver:
Although Iām all in favour of fighting against this daft training fiasco,I just cannot see that the country will come to a stop in 2014If only a quarter of drivers have obtained their training going by DSA estimates then how is the other 3/4 of the Country going to get supplies if all those not trained refuse to drive.
I doubt whether VOSA will be interested in checking driver CPC cards in 2014. It will be far too much hassle for them and mean they have to get out of their offices
Are you joking, they will be out on day one issuing as many as possibleĀ£60 fines to build up their kitty, nice easy money.
I had to do my training āunpaidā. Thats the way it goes for a freelance driver and there are still local āfiddlesā for those who do a bit of research
The country will NOT come to a stop in 2014 just because whatever % of drivers donāt hold a piece of plastic!!
Come on, you probably know as well as I do that the government will bend the rules if this happens, they have already faffed up the dates for PCV entitlement.
Are you joking, they will be out on day one issuing as many as possibleĀ£60 fines to build up their kitty, nice easy money.
No, Iām not joking. There are less VOSA staff out on the road these days. Unless things change, I doubt that they will want anything to do with the DCPC fiasco. The Ā£60 charge isnāt a big enough draw for them. Only time will tell of courseā¦
To say the Country will come to a stop is possibly an over exageration. 
If going by the DSA estimates then over 50% of drivers will not be able to drive, now that means 50% of goods, fuel, merchandise wil not be moved.
The Government will be forced into extending it, scrapping it or funding it to keep drivers on the road.
If this happens then those that have paid will feel robbed as other drivers will still be able to earn.
Save your money, put a Ā£100 a year in the bank instead of training then see what happens in 2014
If crunch comes then you can have a week of work do the 35 hours and carry on, or because the government panic you might save Ā£500
It might just be one time the Government will realise they need us.
johnno:
If going by the DSA estimates then over 50% of drivers will not be able to drive, now that means 50% of goods, fuel, merchandise wil not be moved.
50% is a big number and with the other 50% tied down by WTD and driver hours rules, then how are people going to get all their plastic crap from china 
I spoke to a business link lady the other day she told me you can claim all of the cost of cpc off your tax return and if your not self employed there is another form you can get to claim it back (donāt know what its called sorry you get it from the inland revenue).
I also found this http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/DriverCPC2010/ but you cant create a new one yet because of the new administration. If I was to create a new one what would everyoneās āwantsā be as this petition is just to make employers pay for cpc. In my opinion it should be a free course with loss of earnings refunded by the government and courses conducted by government bodies or instructors have to be approved by them to get rid of these jokers who donāt even know the topic they are teaching. Any one else?
