If you are a TM, in charge of running a fleet, can you be furloughed?
My stance is, no. Because even if one truck runs during the time you are furloughed, even for one day, you are not adhering to the terms of the O licence.
And an employer can’t hide it, because of tacho and vehicle records.
Ken.
Hi, Quinny i read your post and if you see gov guidance in sec 9 what you put by my advice you can write a latter to Traffic commissioner in your area and explain the situation in your latter and mention you can Handle all situation and all recruitment relating to TM from home , i think they are happy to accept this.
The O licence obviously isn’t furloughed so the TM can’t be furloughed either as a condition of maintaining the former. 
Don’t mention the F word, you will set Winseer off again on his 8 page rants about the fact he never got it first time round!
tmcassett:
Don’t mention the F word, you will set Winseer off again on his 8 page rants about the fact he never got it first time round!
Surely the answer will depend on whether his transport operation runs on an ‘any 5 shifts from 7’ basis? 
I blame Brexit.
Mick Bracewell:
tmcassett:
Don’t mention the F word, you will set Winseer off again on his 8 page rants about the fact he never got it first time round!Surely the answer will depend on whether his transport operation runs on an ‘any 5 shifts from 7’ basis?
Or whether anyone within that transport operation has gone from poacher to game keeper and grassed him up for something he definitely “didn’t do”
I work for a small company. Our transport manger has decided he can work from.home. leaving 1 girl in the office.
So he’s at home allocating jobs from.his mobile phone.
Customers are also phoning the landline to make bookings.
The woman doesn’t have a clue where we are . She trying allocate us jobs as well. But he’s at home doesn’t tell her where we’re going etc . Causing chaos and.confusion
Don’t know how anyone can run a company from.home
Carryfast:
The O licence obviously isn’t furloughed so the TM can’t be furloughed either as a condition of maintaining the former.
As I understand furlough, apart from training, you can’t work whilst on furlough, so a working TM isn’t possible. They can be on/ off furlough but not do both.
Acorn:
Carryfast:
The O licence obviously isn’t furloughed so the TM can’t be furloughed either as a condition of maintaining the former.As I understand furlough, apart from training, you can’t work whilst on furlough, so a working TM isn’t possible. They can be on/ off furlough but not do both.
Quite possible Im wrong here but the original furlough scheme was, as you say rigid, in saying either you were working or you werent. That was altered so that part time work was allowed. The employer paid for work done for a certain number of days per week, and the Gov paid the 80% for days not worked.
This means a traffic manager, for instance, could be on furlough for 4 days, but do their duties for 1 day per week.
Depending on the size of a company that may be enough time. Small companies may employ outside managers remember, and they may have several smaller outfits on their books.
gov.uk/government/news/flex … arts-today
I`ll happily be corrected if that is now out of date or was wrong to start with.
Franglais:
Acorn:
Carryfast:
The O licence obviously isn’t furloughed so the TM can’t be furloughed either as a condition of maintaining the former.As I understand furlough, apart from training, you can’t work whilst on furlough, so a working TM isn’t possible. They can be on/ off furlough but not do both.
Quite possible I
m wrong here but the original furlough scheme was, as you say rigid, in saying either you were working or you werent. That was altered so that part time work was allowed. The employer paid for work done for a certain number of days per week, and the Gov paid the 80% for days not worked.
This means a traffic manager, for instance, could be on furlough for 4 days, but do their duties for 1 day per week.
Depending on the size of a company that may be enough time. Small companies may employ outside managers remember, and they may have several smaller outfits on their books.
gov.uk/government/news/flex … arts-today
I`ll happily be corrected if that is now out of date or was wrong to start with.
That’s how I understand it. The TM could work Monday and furlough Tuesday-fri. What they can’t do is any work during tues-fri unless they are paid by company and documented as non-furlough
The problem we have, and this is my argument, we allocate 1 truck and 2 trailers on a permanent basis to one of our sister companies because of the nature of their work, so even if the rest of the fleet is on furlough, I can’t be, as it means I can’t meet my legal obligations.
Ken.
Quinny:
The problem we have, and this is my argument, we allocate 1 truck and 2 trailers on a permanent basis to one of our sister companies because of the nature of their work, so even if the rest of the fleet is on furlough, I can’t be, as it means I can’t meet my legal obligations.Ken.
Thinking aloud.
You arent required to be on duty for every minute someone is driving the truck. You arent required to check every truck and driver every day.
Only for as long as it takes to check they are obeying the rules. If that takes no more than ■■? one day a fortnight? Cant you be on furlough for the other 9 days you would be on duty? Im not stating that as fact, but wouldn`t a letter/mail to the TC to say you are doing that suffice?
Quinny:
The problem we have, and this is my argument, we allocate 1 truck and 2 trailers on a permanent basis to one of our sister companies because of the nature of their work, so even if the rest of the fleet is on furlough, I can’t be, as it means I can’t meet my legal obligations.Ken.
Putting the semantics aside for a moment, if your gaffer has decided that you are currently surplus to requirements but you are disagreeing because reasons, ie. presumably wishing to remain working as normal, I would recommend treading carefully with how far you push it otherwise you may find yourself surplus to requirements on a permanent basis.