Furlough Pay - Which firms are/will be paying?

[winseer]

Believe what you like. At the end of the day, a lot of people who think they are keeping their jobs on “old terms” - will end up keeping them on inferior terms, or losing those jobs outright…

It all comes out in the wash once Lockdown is over.

My educated guess is that the largest firms will fall the hardest.

Expect the “Big Three” to end up big fat zeros by year’s end, for starters…

Wether I can’t go there, or they don’t want me - makes no difference if a firm later needs drivers, but cannot get them for:

(1) Unable to play “Leapfrog Jump-Bid Wages” any more
(2) Alienated Ex-drivers, who’ve since found other jobs
(3) Have acquired such a bad rep, that one would have to be desperate to work for such dishonest outfits that are nothing but cesspits of political intrigue, aka “Too Many Chiefs, Not Enough Braves”, or “Dictatorships of Micromanagement”.

This’ll be like watching two bods fighting in a sinking lifeboat over the single rubber ring…
Ahh yes. The Client/Agency partnership. Doomed to a forthcoming “job’s End” just as much as Teachers and those non-medical NHS workers who think they’re it right now… Refusing to go back to work here and there, ain’t they? Funny how these Tory haters are so quick to ignore the PM at any other time, but once the benefit money comes out - they’re refusing to go back on their original instructions now…

■■■■■■■■■ - Should keep his job. He’s doing plenty a good enough one!
This isn’t about just breaking the Utility and Coal unions this time around!

[r420]

tmcassett:
No Winseer I will correct you, your role has not been reduced to “whistleblower”, your role is bitter agency driver who doesn’t seem to accept the fact they don’t want you anymore.

^^^ Yep. I have no idea why this guy cares so much about this crap. What has it got to do with him? Nada. If he rants about this [zb] at every place he goes like he does on here then it’s pretty clear why he doesn’t have any work. Some people never ‘get’ it and continue to think it’s everyone else’s fault

[tmcassett]

Winseer:
Believe what you like. At the end of the day, a lot of people who think they are keeping their jobs on “old terms” - will end up keeping them on inferior terms, or losing those jobs outright…

It all comes out in the wash once Lockdown is over.

My educated guess is that the largest firms will fall the hardest.

Expect the “Big Three” to end up big fat zeros by year’s end, for starters…

Wether I can’t go there, or they don’t want me - makes no difference if a firm later needs drivers, but cannot get them for:

(1) Unable to play “Leapfrog Jump-Bid Wages” any more
(2) Alienated Ex-drivers, who’ve since found other jobs
(3) Have acquired such a bad rep, that one would have to be desperate to work for such dishonest outfits that are nothing but cesspits of political intrigue, aka “Too Many Chiefs, Not Enough Braves”, or “Dictatorships of Micromanagement”.

This’ll be like watching two bods fighting in a sinking lifeboat over the single rubber ring…
Ahh yes. The Client/Agency partnership. Doomed to a forthcoming “job’s End” just as much as Teachers and those non-medical NHS workers who think they’re it right now… Refusing to go back to work here and there, ain’t they? Funny how these Tory haters are so quick to ignore the PM at any other time, but once the benefit money comes out - they’re refusing to go back on their original instructions now…

■■■■■■■■■ - Should keep his job. He’s doing plenty a good enough one!
This isn’t about just breaking the Utility and Coal unions this time around!

Errr, wrong again!

We have just received our pay rise that the union negotiated for us before all this corona virus stuff/lockdown started. I work on supermarket type work for a large retailer so you could say we are “pretty large” in your words and have excellent pay, T&C’s etc thanks to our union. Is it 100% safe - no, but that’s life for you anyway with any job and any situation. I’m 99% certain we will carry on as we were before this started.

Believe it or not some firms actually value their staff and look after them! Clearly the way you go about things you always make yourself one of those not too be valued hence why you constantly find yourself being pushed out of places.

[tmcassett]

R420:

tmcassett:
No Winseer I will correct you, your role has not been reduced to “whistleblower”, your role is bitter agency driver who doesn’t seem to accept the fact they don’t want you anymore.

^^^ Yep. I have no idea why this guy cares so much about this crap. What has it got to do with him? Nada. If he rants about this [zb] at every place he goes like he does on here then it’s pretty clear why he doesn’t have any work. Some people never ‘get’ it and continue to think it’s everyone else’s fault

He is like a dog with a bone that just will not let go. I should really stop replying!

[carryfast-yeti]

who are ‘the big three’?

[tmcassett]

carryfast-yeti:
who are ‘the big three’?

I assumed he was on about the supermarkets as he has done a lot of “premium shifts” for them in the past. Also starts the next sentence saying “if I cant go there or they dont want me” (not that it will narrow it down much with his record of alienating himself at places).

However like all his posts who actually knows what the hell he is on about.

[winseer]

I guess you’re all going to be OK until one day they come for you…

“Keeping your head down, and staying quiet” might seem to be the way to play the system - the OLD outgoing system, but I doubt that it will work in the post-crisis world that’ll be coming sooner or later.

I’m only threatening when attacked first. Any strongly Unionized person should understand this concept.

Instead though, too many refuse to engage, and prefer just to put the boot in instead, meaning that “No lessons were learned” just as “no lessons EVER get learned”.

That’s why we have more Tory governments than Labour, more people dead before they draw their good pension than living the dream ON that pension…

If Poor people would rather see those above their station “brought down”, rather than they lift them collectively UP, then it is clear “Resentment” that is alive and well, just different sides of the same coin.

If someone like myself, were to “Freely Speak” then suddenly I have a host of enemies in the workplace who’d line up to get rid of me by any lie, device, or motion…

WTF happened to “Live and let Live”?

If I were working there on agency on say, £20ph and you guys were full timers on £22ph - do you think I’d be rocking the boat moaning about YOU lot?

…But the reverse set-up - definitely causes a lot of resentment, it seems…
“Let’s all hate Winseer because he too often extolled the virtue of £2ph more for a ZHC that meant insecure employment”.
What did I ever do to cut YOUR pay or get you busted out of YOUR jobs?
The biggest thing that I got moaned at with RM for example was “obeying the instructions of one acting manager, and then being late for my regular run given to me by a different manager”. If I’d told the first one that “I’m working my 318 only guv” - I’d have been told (on the few occasions I did attempt to stand up for the 318’s…) “You’re agency now. If you don’t do what a manager tells you, you’re no good to RM. Now are you going to do as you’ve been asked, or shall I ask the agency not to send you here again?”

The moment I stray off the 318 - the original manager moans. I just can’t keep up with two idiots giving me deliberately contradictory orders just because they either don’t like me, or some third-party full timer not even present has thrown me a bomb to catch, knowing that it is a catch-all way of bringing me down…
God, I hate office politics! I was as happy as larry whilst I was being left alone to just do the 318 job - nothing more, nothing less!
As soon as I start getting asked “favours”, I should have guessed my days were numbered…
I should have been suspicious when someone I thought was an old work mate decided to fail me on my first assessment for …wait for it… “Taking the right-hand of three roundabout lanes to take the 3 O’clock exit…” The correct way was apparently “Use the middle lane of three to take the 3 O’clock exit, as per highway code update which you clearly hadn’t bothered to read up and get updated on.”
WTF? - Do I have a valid, clean HGV licence or don’t I here?
“Getting work” shouldn’t be like a Salmon swimming upstream - only to be promptly destroyed once they get there!

I wouldn’t have anythink to moan about - had they just sacked me in writing. They were fully entitled to do that, after all.
As it is though, I was still on the books - am STILL on the books - for what wider purposes, but this is already way beyond any individual moan I might have.
These acts of dishonesty by firms that use such clandestine methods because they fear being sued if they put a foot wrong otherwise - will likely come home to roost post-Crisis, simply because only once the tide has gone completely out, does one then find out who’s not just sans-bathing costume, but also who’s been a naughty boy at the same time.

No doubt if I were to accidentally stumble into you at whatever your workplace might be, the moment it was established I were there, the machinations would then commence to get rid of me using any decice at the earliest opportunity.

For that reason, I’ll be working at a places from now on where people are treated with the proper respect that anyone should and is legally entitled to in the workplace.
If that means I no longer announce myself, then I can live with that obscurity. I’ve had my 15 minutes of fame a long time since, after all.

[r420]

Please God make it stop.

[blue_estate]

R420:
Please God make it stop.

I tried but the powers at be aren’t interested [emoji20]

Sent while in furlough

[r420]

blue estate:

R420:
Please God make it stop.

I tried but the powers at be aren’t interested [emoji20]

Sent while in furlough

The work needs to return to ‘normal’ asap so that he can get back to working 75 hours a week doing his “premium uplifts” and hopefully he’ll be too knackered at the end of each shift to be posting his tales of woe on here. I fear we could be in the for the long haul as no company in Kent will use him . Can we bribe dieseldave with lots of pies to make some… adjustments ?

[robroy]

FFS Winseer man, give it a rest will you
You’re becoming an embarrassment to yourself and becoming even MORE ■■■■ boring than usual…
(Not a personal attack btw mods, more of a bloody fact.)

[tmcassett]

Serious question now guys … anyone actually think Winseer is a troll and has just been on one big long wind up this whole time■■?

[the-snowman]

Winseer:
I should have been suspicious when someone I thought was an old work mate decided to fail me on my first assessment for …wait for it… “Taking the right-hand of three roundabout lanes to take the 3 O’clock exit…” The correct way was apparently “Use the middle lane of three to take the 3 O’clock exit, as per highway code update which you clearly hadn’t bothered to read up and get updated on.”
WTF? - Do I have a valid, clean HGV licence or don’t I here?

Having a valid, clean driving license doesn’t mean you can’t/didn’t use the wrong lane on a roundabout.

[atjt]

Winseer:
These acts of dishonesty by firms that use such clandestine methods because they fear being sued if they put a foot wrong otherwise - will likely come home to roost post-Crisis, simply because only once the tide has gone completely out, does one then find out who’s not just sans-bathing costume, but also who’s been a naughty boy at the same time./quote]

For the last time they don’t need to employ “clandestine” methods. You can’t sue them for not wanting to use you, on a ZHC you can be dropped like a hot brick with zero explanation required. Until this sinks in and you adjust your behaviour to become like the best agency drivers, invisible this will never change. Companies and/or TM’s are not employing ever more elaborate ways to “shadow sack” you, they decide if they don’t want to use someone, tell the agency, job done. It’s that simple, for the love of God stop reading any more into it!!!

[winseer]

You lot clearly have no clue as to what I’m talking about. Mis-management, Fraudulent Behaviour towards Staff, even “Endemic Culture of Bullying”. Something we should all have some concern about, and want a stake in putting right.

Alas, all to many of you appear to be unwilling to push back at unfair, unsafe, unsavoury, or downright illegal practices going on right in front of you: “Manager’s Managed”, the lot of you, by the looks of it…

At least the main news headlines of the past few days have been the Media/Left/Momentum style meltdown over the fact that they fear the effectiveness of “Outside-of-the-box” ■■■■■■■■■ want his scalp oh-so badly, but have forgotten that their behaviour in grassing him up like they have - is nothing short of “Stalking Behaviour” which IS actually illegal.
I’m not alone in being badly treated for being on a different wavelength to most people, it seems. Maybe I should put in for one of these jobs ■■■■■■■■ is advertizing “Wanted: People that think outside of the box”…
With regards to real wavelengths of course, - you don’t hear the DJ on Radio One spending all day long slagging off Nick Ferrari on LBC or Moira Stewart for being on Classic FM - do you?
“Each to their own, everyone leaves everyone else alone”.
Why can’t we be like that on here, where drivers don’t so much need or have to stick together, but it would be nice if one could attend a workplace where a group doesn’t then gather around

“We don’t like the look of him. Watch him carefully for something we can grass him up over, and if that doesn’t work - just smash up something yourself, lie that he done that, and we’ll back you up at disciplinary stage if it gets that far. Camera Footage is to prove the guilt of those we don’t like - not to clear those we don’t like. If he’s guilty unless cleared by the cameras - the cameras were not working that day. Gottit? If he counter-accuses one of us, we only need footage to show the counter-accused somewhere else, if he gets his own accusations less than 100% spot-on for detail…”
You’d think there would be laws against using company computer time/footage/data against people like this. Actually, it IS illegal - but no one ever gets done for it, as no one cares that are unaffected by such abuses.
They, like Dishonest Employers - don’t ever have to tell the truth to get their own way, so they lie, because there’s a culture of laziness - where “Lying” saves a lot of time and effort, even when the firm are paying for your time…It is always the easier, slippery path to take.
Why work hard doing your job and contract properly as a manager at the office when you can just lie rather than deal with people’s grievances according to your own company procedures?
…Just mix a few lies with the truth, pour it all out, and hey presto! Political game won yet again!

Just as momentum activists are stalking ■■■■■■■■■ so I find myself getting stalked by people that I didn’t even know were my enemy - such is the reach of “gossip” so it seems.

So I would ask everyone very reasonably and clearly - if you lot ever decide to start treating me like a fellow driver instead of a complete c… all the time - I’ll stop the moany posts branding you lot as “sheep” for following any old ■■■■■■■■ that you get told by officialdom, but question everything and anything I happen to say - merely for the sake of “looking good in front of your mates”…
Deal? - That means you stop criticising my other posts that are on subjects in which you have no interest, Eg. my “something to see” thread.
No Deal? - You’d better block me, as our posts are clearly getting on each other’s ■■■■ if you find unlimited amounts of time to reply in the negative to my posts, but never in the positive, even to the posts of others, except your own “put-the-boot-in” peers on the same “slag-'im-off” bus of course.
Think of all the time you’d save if you did’t keep slagging me off all the time…
IGNORE me if you can’t bring yourself to treat me as a fellow human - fair enough?

This thread started with a question. Not ONE of you have cared to put any input on here that answered it for me. You’ve just continually slagged me off for banging on and on about a subject where it is a case of “I’m alright Jack”, keeping the driving community as divided as ever. Wouldn’t it be great if we knew the exact correlation between employers and the rates they each paid?
I was attempting to obtain a definite list of employers out there that are “playing it straight”…

Why do firms paying £9ph never seem to run out of drivers for instance? - Is it because they are “generous” in other ways, or is it because they’ll go out of their way to take on 9 points drivers?
What hoops does one have to jump through to keep a top-end job?
I didn’t get to find out in time to keep me in there of course - but others might benefit one day from knowing what is exected of them, and of course the stick they are expected to put up with once there…

If a quarter of all firms are fated to disappear between this year and the next - isn’t there anything the entire community can do to make sure that our beloved firms survive that cut, whilst (as I envisage) the dirtiest ones end up going to the wall first?

Anyone who doesn’t believe by this point that there won’t be a very deep recession, if not outright SLUMP by the end of this year - needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

[winseer]

ATJT:

Winseer:
These acts of dishonesty by firms that use such clandestine methods because they fear being sued if they put a foot wrong otherwise - will likely come home to roost post-Crisis, simply because only once the tide has gone completely out, does one then find out who’s not just sans-bathing costume, but also who’s been a naughty boy at the same time./quote]

For the last time they don’t need to employ “clandestine” methods. You can’t sue them for not wanting to use you, on a ZHC you can be dropped like a hot brick with zero explanation required. Until this sinks in and you adjust your behaviour to become like the best agency drivers, invisible this will never change. Companies and/or TM’s are not employing ever more elaborate ways to “shadow sack” you, they decide if they don’t want to use someone, tell the agency, job done. It’s that simple, for the love of God stop reading any more into it!!!

Adjust what behaviour? I didn’t rant on and on about this until AFTER the abuse was done - didn’t I? I used to wax lyrical about how good a place/agency this was to work - didn’t I?

I wasn’t told I’d not be going back to the same client for for days after, and I never did get the “Ban from All Sites” notice in writing… When I asked “How come?” I got lied to again and again.
As you say, firms choose to outsource work via agencies SO they can act in this manner. That would be fair enough then. They could have just given me the boot there and then, with the obligatory “Clear my Locker/Accounts/Glove Compartment” whilst a member of security escorts me from the building, and confiscates my now exhausted magcard off me in the process, thus “firmly shutting the door behind me” - something I’m used to, don’t forget… No need to lie about it. Did they think I might start a fight? - Laid Back Liberal Me?

If I’d been told at that point “I was sacked” - I could have set about getting a new job straight away…
In the end, I wasted 10 days before I realized that I “wasn’t coming back”, leaving a big hole in my financies, and one week where no stamp got paid… This is what really upset me here.
I would have prefered to have been sacked - on the spot, at that! Who takes references for a driving job these days? Certainly not any doors I set about knocking on…
I’ve heard of full time drivers at some places where they were “required to work notice” - where desperate to get away to start a rather lucrative new job next monday, - they would pull a stroke like “standing in front of a camera and nicking something” - just so they’d get sacked on the spot, and wouldn’t have to work their notice!
I wasn’t in a hurry to get away of course, but why lie to me about the circumstances?
Why lie at all?
“Because they don’t have to tell the truth” seems a bit lame to me…
There wasn’t anything I could have done about it - was there?
Why lie to me as if there were then?
All I’d be entitled to if sacked would be any outstanding earnings, Holiday Pay, and money left on account(s).
…But to “■■■■■■ me from the building” - might tie up some worktime of some manager typing up a letter, refunding me any monies, and actually being asked to do their job properly!
Now, I’m having to chase all that up myself. I’d consider any withholding of monies without a written explanation as to why as “Theft”.
Even there, there’s not much point me bringing a case, since by the time it gets to court, I’m not expecting these firms to still exist, don’t forget!

[the_maoster]

So, anyone getting paid then?

[winseer]

By this point, it would appear that everyone who’s going to get it - has already got it.
Everyone else - doesn’t get it, but has been told to keep quiet, or get moaned at for moaning.
Those who did get it - have been told to keep stumn, lest there is “resentment”…

So we’re ALL none-the-wiser.

“Divided and Conquered” as ever.

There was an opportunity here for the working man to climb out of the gutter, but as was the case during the Peasant’s Revolt - we meekly did as were told, turned upon our own, and got quietly back into our boxes…

“Key Workers”? - My Arse! We’re Serfs being ruled by Big Business Oligarchs! “Be part of their cons, or be destroyed by their cons”…

[robroy]

Well I’ve got it, but I’ve just got one of those mundane full time drivers jobs…, the type that you have gloated over in the past on here telling us what an advantage it is working for an agency, doing the same work for more money.

4 pages of your whinging and whining could have been avoided with an answer in one sentence…ie.
‘‘99.9% of agencies are wonkers who think nothing of their drivers’’.

So that (combined with your obvious ‘Victim’’ issues) has been a bit of self realisation for you, and made you bitter, thus boring the ■■■■ arses off everyone on here, unfortunate to endure your ramblings…and presumably the few friends that you will have,.and all your ■■■■■■ off workmates you have mentioned.

Somebody call an ambulance or a ■■■■ hitman.
(Harsh maybe, , but you evidently bring things on yourself. )

[carryfast-yeti]

the maoster:
So, anyone getting paid then?

yes,we’ve all been paid for our 7 weeks on furlough @ 30 drivers,plus the warehouse staff. all back at work full time this week …but i’m booked off on holiday