Furlough Pay - Which firms are/will be paying?

blue estate:

WheelsofCardiff:
Is it not funny the OP slags off full timers then moans when the agency leaves him dry. Agency work i have never done it. Talk to your agency, holiday pay yes you should get it. Furlough pay is not easy to fiddle you think HMRC will not follow up after this. Everyone furloughed in our place has been given a letter to sign by orders of the government. If you feel hard done by you can take it further but remember legal advice does not come cheap unless you are a union member. What has your workplace union said.

As for the letter, yes me and rest of my work colleagues have had a letter to sign from out HR dept
Also HMRC will check against PAYE records

Sent while in furlough

Our poster thinks they are just going to dish money without checks. Instead of him looking at his contract he rambles on and on.

ATJT:

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I honestly think you are making this infinitely more complicated than it is.

Staffline are not a tin pot organisation, they won’t be claiming anything dodgily. There is a very big difference between a PAYE driver who like Conor sounds like he is at Howdens, and someone like yourself who by your own admission is constantly chasing specific nights/weekends/premium rates.

The end user aka the Client will probably dictate to Staffline who they would want them to Furlough, if it’s a remotely specialist job or one as I say like Howdens who are red hot on having a very specific pool of drivers then it’s in everyone’s interest to furlough you to minimise disruption when normal service is resumed.

However if you are one of the zillions doing supermarket work and are ten a penny there would be massive apathy from both client and agency alike, it’s an administrative ballache and they won’t bother.

I agree it’s unfair but payroll for agencies is a massive expensive, labour intensive pain in the neck. Adding the furlough process into the mix is just not worth the bother in their eyes.
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This is exactly what I was trying to explain to him, although you put it in a much better way than I did. :smiley:

Bottom line, he is agency and 95% of the time that means you are just a number and a bum on a seat who can be replaced just like that. Its just not worth their time or effort to go through the furlough process.

There is no financial incentive for the agency to claim the 80% pay of a particular worker as all they would be doing is passing the full 80% onto the worker leaving nothing for themselves.

Agencies know that when work picks up they will have no problem filling the shifts that they are required to fill, meaning they will not be bothered if a driver decides not to work for them anymore due to getting no furlough pay off them.

WheelsofCardiff:
Is it not funny the OP slags off full timers then moans when the agency leaves him dry. Agency work i have never done it. Talk to your agency, holiday pay yes you should get it. Furlough pay is not easy to fiddle you think HMRC will not follow up after this. Everyone furloughed in our place has been given a letter to sign by orders of the government. If you feel hard done by you can take it further but remember legal advice does not come cheap unless you are a union member. What has your workplace union said.

To be fair to him he doesn’t actually slag off the full timers themselves but the actual full time jobs and their shift patterns offered. I see the point you are getting at though and highlighted the same to him in one of my posts in this thread further up. Still we seem to be wasting our time.

Speaking of furlough I heard a twist today; not drivers per se but my g/f works for a very large car sales group as does her daughter who is a regional accountant for them. My g/f has been furloughed on 80% whereas her daughter is working from home on 100% salary. My g/f’s boss told her he was going to bring a lap top around so she could work from home. I told her to say absolutely NOT unless she was going back onto 100% salary.

Anyhoo it turns out that their HQ had a visit from HMRC today who seized computers to check which (if any) furloughed workers have been sending and responding to work e mails!

I said to Winseer about 300 pages ago that any Co who tried to fiddle this would get nailed to a tree, it appears that I was correct.

I suspect that this thread is getting to a point that maybe the mods should consider locking it so that things can calm down

blue estate:

peirre:
With the conspiracy theory firmly in his head that the company is claiming the furlough grant and keeping it, is it time to call Mulder and Scully ■■?

I changed my settings with how his posts are shown, so now I no longer see his extended posts in my newsfeed, so they just WOOSH past

Same here with Mr tin foil hat :wink:

Tell me how to as it makes my ■■■■■■■ eyes bleed.

Its been covered so many times that there’s no obligation for any company to offer it but what’s the point… crack on… its a conspiracy and that

the maoster:
Speaking of furlough I heard a twist today; not drivers per se but my g/f works for a very large car sales group as does her daughter who is a regional accountant for them. My g/f has been furloughed on 80% whereas her daughter is working from home on 100% salary. My g/f’s boss told her he was going to bring a lap top around so she could work from home. I told her to say absolutely NOT unless she was going back onto 100% salary.

Anyhoo it turns out that their HQ had a visit from HMRC today who seized computers to check which (if any) furloughed workers have been sending and responding to work e mails!

I said to Winseer about 300 pages ago that any Co who tried to fiddle this would get nailed to a tree, it appears that I was correct.

Winseer thinks its a CIA cover up. HMRC dont muck about when it comes to money. Wait when this is ovee some bosses will be in front of a judge.

toonsy:
Tell me how to as it makes my [zb] eyes bleed.

You can click on anyone’s name and go to their profile and choose add friend or foe

the maoster:
Speaking of furlough I heard a twist today; not drivers per se but my g/f works for a very large car sales group as does her daughter who is a regional accountant for them. My g/f has been furloughed on 80% whereas her daughter is working from home on 100% salary. My g/f’s boss told her he was going to bring a lap top around so she could work from home. I told her to say absolutely NOT unless she was going back onto 100% salary.

Anyhoo it turns out that their HQ had a visit from HMRC today who seized computers to check which (if any) furloughed workers have been sending and responding to work e mails!

I said to Winseer about 300 pages ago that any Co who tried to fiddle this would get nailed to a tree, it appears that I was correct.

I’ll await the inevitable reports that a similar “investigation” has come about for those agencies who have selected some for furlough, and not others then, seemingly based around how much it would cost them to do: Big Bucks worker like Moi - gets thrown out for being “too expensive”, whilst 9-5 casual bods - get taken down and paid, based on their average weekly being rather less than yours truly’s has been.

If they are paying some then it is almost certain that a grant has been claimed somewhere. It would be madness to furlough anyone at all - if no money was ever to be claimed anywhere… You’d just lay people off to suit, and keep that posture going until the end of the lockdown at least. To keep it legit then, the firm would have to furlough a select few out of their own pockets, only to find that later in the year (most likely) that the loss of goodwill caused by being far too fussy in their “bums on seats” operation - leaves them short of drivers and capacity should there ever be this ‘V’ shaped recovery the government speaks of… I’ve yet to return to an agency once I’ve left. I have no power to enforce change on anyone, and hence I can only ever vote with my feet. Getting myself ahead of the curve again - requires that I both take a view on the length of the lockdown, and then make a business judgement on which firms are going to be having a hard time because they are totally under-capacity to deal with any upturn following that, regardless of speed.

My current thinking is that former users of many agency drivers such as Supermarkets and Courier firms - will be unwilling to ever “gamble”, and will find that all they can attract with their decent, but clearly resented going rates at such venues - are the “9 points OK” crowd, who may or may not jump through any hoops required before being hurled into the FT abuser pit that is working at such venues these days.
Once upon a time it was classed as a snazzy career move for a driver to deliberately leave full time to come back on agency…
But nowadays - such thinking is clearly heresy, with Full Timers doing whatever they can to get rid of any upstarts earning more money than they did doing the same job, rather than contemplating their own risk-averse nature in turning down exit packages of their own whilst they had the chance…

Mark my words - if you think your full time contracts gives you the right to never be buggered about like I have been in due course, - is just a matter of time before the largest firms start defaulting things like Pensions, Holidays, and even upholding the same hourly rates as previous years, - before long. THAT is the nature of the Deflationary Crash we now face in this country, long after any lock-down has ceased.

The big winners in the Post-Coronavirus workplace - will be those who dodged the bullets (which I clearly didn’t) and/or got ahead of the curve (which I now intend to do the moment I can move on)
The best place for me to find employment in the future - will clearly be somewhere (to use everyone else’s own terminology for me here) “Where they don’t know he’s a c…t” the moment I turn up there…

There it is.

I’ll know within about 4 weeks if I’ve succeeded or not. If it works, I’ll let you all know that I’ve found the answer, but I won’t brag on here about what that answer was… No one can moan at me anymore that way, nor gain assistance/advice on the subject neither. It won’t be a case of “wishing me luck” because the best way to avoid flying bullets - is to not turn up at that particular battlefield, and then blend into the background so enemy intel can’t bugger me around any longer. :neutral_face:

I guess I’ve finally caught up with the main bulk of you lot out there that always argued “Agencies are all dishonest” when it comes down to it.
“Dishonesty” isn’t illegal though, and that’s what smarts.
Let’s see who’s still laughing by Christmas, because if I’m correct in my economic forecasts, we’ve already had the last agency Christmas run-up as of Pre Last December’s election… How under-wealming that was, too with premium rates not kicking in until december and not even lasting out the end of that same month… A warning if ever there was one that the future for agencies in general - looks rather bleak now.

Winseer:

the maoster:
Speaking of furlough I heard a twist today; not drivers per se but my g/f works for a very large car sales group as does her daughter who is a regional accountant for them. My g/f has been furloughed on 80% whereas her daughter is working from home on 100% salary. My g/f’s boss told her he was going to bring a lap top around so she could work from home. I told her to say absolutely NOT unless she was going back onto 100% salary.

Anyhoo it turns out that their HQ had a visit from HMRC today who seized computers to check which (if any) furloughed workers have been sending and responding to work e mails!

I said to Winseer about 300 pages ago that any Co who tried to fiddle this would get nailed to a tree, it appears that I was correct.

I’ll await the inevitable reports that a similar “investigation” has come about for those agencies who have selected some for furlough, and not others then, seemingly based around how much it would cost them to do: Big Bucks worker like Moi - gets thrown out for being “too expensive”, whilst 9-5 casual bods - get taken down and paid, based on their average weekly being rather less than yours truly’s has been.

If they are paying some then it is almost certain that a grant has been claimed somewhere. It would be madness to furlough anyone at all - if no money was ever to be claimed anywhere… You’d just lay people off to suit, and keep that posture going until the end of the lockdown at least. To keep it legit then, the firm would have to furlough a select few out of their own pockets, only to find that later in the year (most likely) that the loss of goodwill caused by being far too fussy in their “bums on seats” operation - leaves them short of drivers and capacity should there ever be this ‘V’ shaped recovery the government speaks of… I’ve yet to return to an agency once I’ve left. I have no power to enforce change on anyone, and hence I can only ever vote with my feet. Getting myself ahead of the curve again - requires that I both take a view on the length of the lockdown, and then make a business judgement on which firms are going to be having a hard time because they are totally under-capacity to deal with any upturn following that, regardless of speed.

My current thinking is that former users of many agency drivers such as Supermarkets and Courier firms - will be unwilling to ever “gamble”, and will find that all they can attract with their decent, but clearly resented going rates at such venues - are the “9 points OK” crowd, who may or may not jump through any hoops required before being hurled into the FT abuser pit that is working at such venues these days.
Once upon a time it was classed as a snazzy career move for a driver to deliberately leave full time to come back on agency…
But nowadays - such thinking is clearly heresy, with Full Timers doing whatever they can to get rid of any upstarts earning more money than they did doing the same job, rather than contemplating their own risk-averse nature in turning down exit packages of their own whilst they had the chance…

Mark my words - if you think your full time contracts gives you the right to never be buggered about like I have been in due course, - is just a matter of time before the largest firms start defaulting things like Pensions, Holidays, and even upholding the same hourly rates as previous years, - before long. THAT is the nature of the Deflationary Crash we now face in this country, long after any lock-down has ceased.

The big winners in the Post-Coronavirus workplace - will be those who dodged the bullets (which I clearly didn’t) and/or got ahead of the curve (which I now intend to do the moment I can move on)
The best place for me to find employment in the future - will clearly be somewhere (to use everyone else’s own terminology for me here) “Where they don’t know he’s a c…t” the moment I turn up there…

There it is.

I’ll know within about 4 weeks if I’ve succeeded or not. If it works, I’ll let you all know that I’ve found the answer, but I won’t brag on here about what that answer was… No one can moan at me anymore that way, nor gain assistance/advice on the subject neither. It won’t be a case of “wishing me luck” because the best way to avoid flying bullets - is to not turn up at that particular battlefield, and then blend into the background so enemy intel can’t bugger me around any longer. :neutral_face:

I guess I’ve finally caught up with the main bulk of you lot out there that always argued “Agencies are all dishonest” when it comes down to it.
“Dishonesty” isn’t illegal though, and that’s what smarts.
Let’s see who’s still laughing by Christmas, because if I’m correct in my economic forecasts, we’ve already had the last agency Christmas run-up as of Pre Last December’s election… How under-wealming that was, too with premium rates not kicking in until december and not even lasting out the end of that same month… A warning if ever there was one that the future for agencies in general - looks rather bleak now.

You still don’t get it do you! :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

Your agency (staffline in this case) do not deem you worthwhile of pursuing any furlough claim “FOR YOU” - end of!!! There is no conspiracy theory … despite what you might think.

For some reason you still seem to have this deluded opinion that once this is all over, companies with high agency usage like supermarkets as you mention will only be able to attract … in your words, “9 points okay types”. Again, simply not true, maybe its not what you want to hear but they will always have enough on their books to cover any work they have available across numerous agencies that they will use.

Still going on?
The OP has already said that his agency asked him to go for an assessment and fill in some forms. I thought that would be perfectly normal for an agency?
If he doesn’t agree to alternative work, as an agency driver, does he really want we tax payers to pay him?

Franglais:
as an agency driver, does he really want we tax payers to pay him?

On a scale of 1 - 10 what do you think?

Btw I’m getting RSI of my thumbs with scrolling through the thread, because everyone is quoting the overly long posts he makes, can everyone please edit their posts to address the specific points so it keeps the reply shorter

peirre:

Franglais:
as an agency driver, does he really want we tax payers to pay him?

On a scale of 1 - 10 what do you think?

Btw I’m getting RSI of my thumbs with scrolling through the thread, because everyone is quoting the overly long posts he makes, can everyone please edit their posts to address the specific points so it keeps the reply shorter

Eleven.

I did intend my last post to be my final post on this but in one last chance to try to convince Winseer it’s not a conspiracy I’ll add this.

In order to be eligible for furlough pay you need a written agreement between yourself and your employer. The employer will need to provide this (either now or in the future) in order to claim the furlough grant for that specific employee. You have not signed an agreement therefore you aren’t actually eligible for any furlough pay, neither can the agency claim for you and pocket the money.

They aren’t just getting a lump sum to cover all employees, each employee is a specific case. Proof of furlough is required (the letter) and proof of earnings (which will be taken from the PAYE system).

It will be pretty difficult to swindle the system and anyone who does will be looking at a high profile court case likely ending in prison time.

Swallow your pride and go for another assessment, tell them where to stick it and claim your holiday pay or sit tight and see if any work comes your way through them whilst looking about for something else.

Just to clarify, I’m sorry for you, but even though you meet the criteria your not eligible for furlough pay as you’ve no written agreement.

peirre:

Franglais:
as an agency driver, does he really want we tax payers to pay him?

On a scale of 1 - 10 what do you think?

Btw I’m getting RSI of my thumbs with scrolling through the thread, because everyone is quoting the overly long posts he makes, can everyone please edit their posts to address the specific points so it keeps the reply shorter

I didnt want to keep quoting “his whole” posts but couldn’t figure out how to just use certain bits as it kept going wrong. :smiley:

Anyway I’ve made my point to him. Whether he chooses to listen to it or not is anybody’s guess.

OK folks - It aint a conspiracy, I’ve just been singled out for malign treatment. That’s it.

Winseer:
OK folks - It aint a conspiracy, I’ve just been singled out for malign treatment. That’s it.

The shortest post you ever made. Straight to the point. Keep it up

Winseer:
OK folks - It aint a conspiracy, I’ve just been singled out for malign treatment. That’s it.

Winseer…I think you’ve just broken the internet!

Crack on, make your future better. Good luck!

Im aware that of around 100+ Drivers who work on one particular contract, who happen to work for the same agency as Winseer, only 10 of them met the criteria for furlough.

peirre:
Im aware that of around 100+ Drivers who work on one particular contract, who happen to work for the same agency as Winseer, only 10 of them met the criteria for furlough.

That’s a bit weird. I have done the calculations for a couple of people (both from small companies) and it’s pretty easy to work out. I admit that the original email from HMRC was horrible but the calculator itself is really easy to use.

There is definately something wrong somewhere as I don’t believe the ‘qualifying’ aspects of it are particularly stringent.

Perhaps the identifying bit is that the money is for a ‘job retention scheme’ and the agency do not want to keep the drivers they aren’t putting on furlough?
(I think I will regret being that blunt)