Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Is it some kind of weird tax fiddle or just inept and â â â â poor management of a company?
robroy:
Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Is it some kind of weird tax fiddle or just inept and â â â â poor management of a company?
(Not me or my firm btw)
Yes it is legal.
The furlough has to be a minimum of three weeks, so if work comes in you can cover it.
Also Rob, whilst you are on furlough you are not allowed to work for the company that has put you on furlough. They would have to take you off furlough to get you to work for them again, it may be paying a higher rate to an agency but if it is just temporary it would cost them more to take you o ff furlough then have to pay your wages themselves even if they have no work for you or worse, they would have to lay you off altogether.
robroy:
Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Is it some kind of weird tax fiddle or just inept and â â â â poor management of a company?
(Not me or my firm btw)
Yes it is legal.
The furlough has to be a minimum of three weeks, so if work comes in you can cover it.
The Taxpayer pays the 80% not the employerâŚ
Ok, but is it not to be eventually paid back to the government, or have I got that wrong.
robroy:
Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Is it some kind of weird tax fiddle or just inept and â â â â poor management of a company?
(Not me or my firm btw)
Yes it is legal.
The furlough has to be a minimum of three weeks, so if work comes in you can cover it.
The Taxpayer pays the 80% not the employerâŚ
Ok, but is it not to be eventually paid back to the government, or have I got that wrong.
Nope, all going to be stumped up by the Government (taxpayerâŚ).
Ok.
My mate tells me it ainât so much work that has âcome upâ as such, just the regular type of work they already do.
So surely you would think the govt would be asking questions as to the motive of laying drivers off at their expense, when on the whole there was no real need.
I was just curious as to why they would do this, and suspected it was maybe something underhand.
Evidently not.
robroy:
Ok.
My mate tells me it ainât so much work that has âcome upâ as such, just the regular type of work they already do.
So surely you would think the govt would be asking questions as to the motive of laying drivers off at their expense, when on the whole there was no real need.
I was just curious as to why they would do this, and suspected it was maybe something underhand.
Evidently not.
I am guessing the government takes the attitude that they are either paying for the full time driver or the agency driver on furlough, at least if one is working itâs as broad as it long. Just my thoughtsâŚ
robroy:
Ok.
My mate tells me it ainât so much work that has âcome upâ as such, just the regular type of work they already do.
So surely you would think the govt would be asking questions as to the motive of laying drivers off at their expense, when on the whole there was no real need.
I was just curious as to why they would do this, and suspected it was maybe something underhand.
Evidently not.
I am guessing the government takes the attitude that they are either paying for the full time driver or the agency driver on furlough, at least if one is working itâs as broad as it long. Just my thoughtsâŚ
robroy:
Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Yes.
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Because when an employee is on furlough the government pay that 80% back to the employer. A company only gets the furlough wage reimbursed from the government if the employee is off for 3 weeks. Also as it was in the first month when we were running again it was hit and miss what there was as everything was constantly changing so there wasnât enough for a full weeks work for everyone.
Therefore from a business point of view it makes perfect sense to have an employee sat at home on 80% pay which the government is going to repay you whilst using agency for the adhoc work you do have coming in. It makes much more sense than paying a driver their normal wage out of the businesses pocket to spend half the week doing nothing.
robroy:
Ok.
My mate tells me it ainât so much work that has âcome upâ as such, just the regular type of work they already do.
So surely you would think the govt would be asking questions as to the motive of laying drivers off at their expense, when on the whole there was no real need.
I was just curious as to why they would do this, and suspected it was maybe something underhand.
Evidently not.
I am guessing the government takes the attitude that they are either paying for the full time driver or the agency driver on furlough, at least if one is working itâs as broad as it long. Just my thoughtsâŚ
Yep, youâre probably right.
I am sure I will be proved wrong before the evening is outâŚ
robroy:
Ok.
My mate tells me it ainât so much work that has âcome upâ as such, just the regular type of work they already do.
It is where I am but for the first few weeks it was trying to get stuff sent out to whatever depots were open who were able to take what was supposed to have gone out the day lockdown came into being. As they opened up more places we started doing deliveries but it was nowhere like normal due to low volumes and because everything was up in the air sometimes you didnât know if there was a job on the following day until teatime the day before.
So whilst it might be the regular type of work theyâre doing, from the planning side of the business it is very unlikely itâs being done as normal.
robroy:
Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Is it some kind of weird tax fiddle or just inept and â â â â poor management of a company?
(Not me or my firm btw)
Yes it is legal.
The furlough has to be a minimum of three weeks, so if work comes in you can cover it.
The Taxpayer pays the 80% not the employerâŚ
Ok, but is it not to be eventually paid back to the government, or have I got that wrong.
Nope, all going to be stumped up by the Government (taxpayerâŚ).
Thatâs a very simplistic answer. It will never be stumped up by the government. We will all be paying for this for a very long time. The money has to come from somewhere and it will come from all of us through out taxes. People on furlough think of it as a free holiday of which it wonât be. Iâm glad Iâm still able to work through it tbh. Nothing in life is free especially paid holidays on top of statutory holiday entitlement.
robroy:
Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Is it some kind of weird tax fiddle or just inept and â â â â poor management of a company?
(Not me or my firm btw)
Please donât set Winseer off again by talking about agencies and furlough!
On a serious note though i would say yes its legal. Our depot has been running at around 50% capacity for a few weeks now so some have been on Furlough, they have come back and now others (including myself) are off for the 3 weeks.
As far as I understand it, once you have signed to say you are on furlough thatâs you off for the set period so if work picks up then I guess they would need agency to cover the increase in work.
robroy:
Is it legal for a co to put drivers on furlough, then call in agencies to do the jobs the furloughed drivers would usually do?
Apart from the legal side, where is the common sense,.and actual business acumen in paying a driver 80% of his wages while sat at home, then getting agencies in and paying them a much higher hourly rate of pay on top for doing the job he could be doing?
Is it some kind of weird tax fiddle or just inept and â â â â poor management of a company?
(Not me or my firm btw)
its cheaper to have a driver on 80% of his wage and use agency on hourly pay for the odd bit of work that comes in. for example a contracted driver s contracted 10 hours a day / 50 hours a week and a job comes in that takes 5 hours its cheaper to pay 90 % (45 hours) of the salary than 100% This is of course assuming that the original driver is contracted to so many hours per week
Iâm waiting for the âIm not driving that until itâs been deep cleaned/valetedâ anti agency replies when the penny drops that the company has put a limper in Robs truck.
I do hope he emptied his gear out before embarking on furlough, as the limper might have had the audacity to actually lay on the bunk, or the thieving scumbag may have been tempted to steal one of his chocolate Bonbons from his sweetie jar.
Gâwon fess up Rob, I bet you are going to round to the yard and inspect YOUR truck as soon as possible, to see if anything is missing or thereâs any minor damage or scratches on the paintwork
Thatâs a very simplistic answer. It will never be stumped up by the government. We will all be paying for this for a very long time. The money has to come from somewhere and it will come from all of us through out taxes. People on furlough think of it as a free holiday of which it wonât be. Iâm glad Iâm still able to work through it tbh. Nothing in life is free especially paid holidays on top of statutory holiday entitlement.
Thatâs a very simplistic answer. It will never be stumped up by the government. We will all be paying for this for a very long time. The money has to come from somewhere and it will come from all of us through out taxes. People on furlough think of it as a free holiday of which it wonât be. Iâm glad Iâm still able to work through it tbh. Nothing in life is free especially paid holidays on top of statutory holiday entitlement.
no sh sherlockâŚ
Thatâs why I put taxpayer in brackets⌠jeez
I think hes jealous,Iâm into my sixth week and loving it and still got five weeks holiday to use up in the year,just look on it as a tax rebate.
peirre:
Iâm waiting for the âIm not driving that until itâs been deep cleaned/valetedâ anti agency replies when the penny drops that the company has put a limper in Robs truck.
I do hope he emptied his gear out before embarking on furlough, as the limper might have had the audacity to actually lay on the bunk, or the thieving scumbag may have been tempted to steal one of his chocolate Bonbons from his sweetie jar.
Gâwon fess up Rob, I bet you are going to round to the yard and inspect YOUR truck as soon as possible, to see if anything is missing or thereâs any minor damage or scratches on the paintwork
Whatever would make you think that.
I was in yard last Thursday to see if they were re.taxing it next day, and re.starting me.m I was told it would be re.taxed next week at earliest, or maybe not even then.
The day I finished 31 March, I left all my kit in there including personal effects, because I was assured it would not be usedâŚso Iâm hoping they have stuck to it, if I thought it would be used Iâd have took everything out.
Iâve said before, I have not got a problem it being used, it ainât my truck itâs theirs, paintwork and scratches are THEIR problem not mine âŚ,
What does â â â â me off mega style is if some Ill mannered, dirty minging type â â â â , makes a mess inside the cab, (ie my 2nd home) and leaves it for me to clean up, thinking that it is acceptable to do so.
But Iâm sure I have NEVER mentioned that on here before.
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