I’m a bit confused about something, and wondered if anyone could help solve a little mystery. It’s just something nagging me in the back of my mind and curiosity is getting the better of me.
In the past 2 weeks I’ve filled up at various pumps and forecourts. But three particular pumps at Northants, Essex, and Yorkshire had fuel at 99.9p - 100p per litre. All 3 pumps were Keyfuels, and not on major petrol company forecourts.
I thought it was a mistake at the first pump, but when it happened the next night I thought it can’t be a coincidence. Then it happened last night too. 300 litres was £300 one night, and £614 the next (■■?).
Am I missing something blindingly obvious? How on earth is diesel at that price at various locations around the country?
ezydriver:
I’m a bit confused about something, and wondered if anyone could help solve a little mystery. It’s just something nagging me in the back of my mind and curiosity is getting the better of me.
In the past 2 weeks I’ve filled up at various pumps and forecourts. But three particular pumps at Northants, Essex, and Yorkshire had fuel at 99.9p - 100p per litre. All 3 pumps were Keyfuels, and not on major petrol company forecourts.
I thought it was a mistake at the first pump, but when it happened the next night I thought it can’t be a coincidence. Then it happened last night too. 300 litres was £300 one night, and £614 the next (■■?).
Am I missing something blindingly obvious? How on earth is diesel at that price at various locations around the country?
ezydriver:
I’m a bit confused about something, and wondered if anyone could help solve a little mystery. It’s just something nagging me in the back of my mind and curiosity is getting the better of me.
In the past 2 weeks I’ve filled up at various pumps and forecourts. But three particular pumps at Northants, Essex, and Yorkshire had fuel at 99.9p - 100p per litre. All 3 pumps were Keyfuels, and not on major petrol company forecourts.
I thought it was a mistake at the first pump, but when it happened the next night I thought it can’t be a coincidence. Then it happened last night too. 300 litres was £300 one night, and £614 the next (■■?).
Am I missing something blindingly obvious? How on earth is diesel at that price at various locations around the country?
It ain’t a cherry shade of red is it?
Ha ha, the first time I spotted it I panicked for a second and thought “Am I filling up with red diesel?”, but no, it was ordinary fuel.
Any “price” marked on those pumps means nowt.
Some bunker pumps have no price marked at all.
The amount in litres will be accurate, and properly calibrated, but the actual price paid varies all the time, and they don`t bother altering that on the actual pump.
Franglais:
Any “price” marked on those pumps means nowt.
Some bunker pumps have no price marked at all.
The amount in litres will be accurate, and properly calibrated, but the actual price paid varies all the time, and they don`t bother altering that on the actual pump.
but how does that explain the op paying £300 one night , £600 the next , assuming he got the same amount of fuel ?
Franglais:
Any “price” marked on those pumps means nowt.
Some bunker pumps have no price marked at all.
The amount in litres will be accurate, and properly calibrated, but the actual price paid varies all the time, and they don`t bother altering that on the actual pump.
but how does that explain the op paying £300 one night , £600 the next , assuming he got the same amount of fuel ?
ezydriver:
All 3 pumps were Keyfuels, and not on major petrol company forecourts.
Franglais:
Any “price” marked on those pumps means nowt.
Some bunker pumps have no price marked at all.
The amount in litres will be accurate, and properly calibrated, but the actual price paid varies all the time, and they don`t bother altering that on the actual pump.
So you’re saying that though the pump showed 300 litres of fuel cost £300, my employer would’ve paid something more like £600, and that’s something I wouldn’t know by looking at the display on the pump?
When I looked at the display after filling up it said
Price: £300.00
Litres: 300.00
Price per litre: 100.00p
Franglais:
Any “price” marked on those pumps means nowt.
Some bunker pumps have no price marked at all.
The amount in litres will be accurate, and properly calibrated, but the actual price paid varies all the time, and they don`t bother altering that on the actual pump.
So you’re saying that though the pump showed 300 litres of fuel cost £300, my employer would’ve paid something more like £600, and that’s something I wouldn’t know by looking at the display on the pump?
When I looked at the display after filling up it said
Price: £300.00
Litres: 300.00
Price per litre: 100.00p
Exactly that.
The price changes every week, but they dont play around with any display on the pumps, it is all done during the invoicing. Company "X" has 300 litres, so just charge that weeks price per litre x300.
Using Keyfuels card at a main service station also gets the company a discount.
The ticket may say
300 litres…£600…
but the company may only pay £570 or so.
ED The unmanned sites tend to be cheaper than a main site even with a discount.
Franglais:
Any “price” marked on those pumps means nowt.
Some bunker pumps have no price marked at all.
The amount in litres will be accurate, and properly calibrated, but the actual price paid varies all the time, and they don`t bother altering that on the actual pump.
So you’re saying that though the pump showed 300 litres of fuel cost £300, my employer would’ve paid something more like £600, and that’s something I wouldn’t know by looking at the display on the pump?
When I looked at the display after filling up it said
Price: £300.00
Litres: 300.00
Price per litre: 100.00p
Exactly that.
The price changes every week, but they dont play around with any display on the pumps, it is all done during the invoicing. Company "X" has 300 litres, so just charge that weeks price per litre x300.
Using Keyfuels card at a main service station also gets the company a discount.
The ticket may say
300 litres…£600…
but the company may only pay £570 or so.
Ah ok, mystery solved then. I assumed pumps would always display the correct price.
Franglais:
Any “price” marked on those pumps means nowt.
Some bunker pumps have no price marked at all.
The amount in litres will be accurate, and properly calibrated, but the actual price paid varies all the time, and they don`t bother altering that on the actual pump.
So you’re saying that though the pump showed 300 litres of fuel cost £300, my employer would’ve paid something more like £600, and that’s something I wouldn’t know by looking at the display on the pump?
When I looked at the display after filling up it said
Price: £300.00
Litres: 300.00
Price per litre: 100.00p
Exactly that.
The price changes every week, but they dont play around with any display on the pumps, it is all done during the invoicing. Company "X" has 300 litres, so just charge that weeks price per litre x300.
Using Keyfuels card at a main service station also gets the company a discount.
The ticket may say
300 litres…£600…
but the company may only pay £570 or so.
Ah ok, mystery solved then. I assumed pumps would always display the correct price.
I really must get out more
At a retail site where you pay cash or with a bank card they certainly should! Heart attack time otherwise.
Keyfuels is cheaper than Joe Bloggs retail prices, but not quite that good.
dozy:
but how does that explain the op paying £300 one night , £600 the next , assuming he got the same amount of fuel ?
Because they’re not. The amount they’ll be paying will be dependent entirely on the rate their fuel card provider charges. When you fuel up on a fuel card, whether Keyfuels or any other, the price you pay is not the price on the pump. Every month the operator wil get told what the rate per litre is for the week by their fuel card provider and that’s what they’ll pay no matter where you go and the price. Its why lorries fuel up at motorway services even though its 20p a litre more than the local petrol station a couple of miles away.
robroy:
You could save a fortune running on that stuff…
I.am told.
Can’t get it in UK anymore Rob, was phased out in April i think, have to fill my fridge with white now, another rip-off from our so-called government
Really?
So are farmers having to use white in tractors now also?..that’ll be hard for em,.some of those poor farmers are down to their last Range Rover.
It will have griped them losing revenue from those that used it in diesel cars, which was quite widespread…apparentlly.
Think lymn services or maybe bunker site at Trafford park has it prced at £1 a litre. Then a sticker saying price is a guide only.
If you ever get a receipt check it. Am sure it won’t say how much you paid will just saying litres bought.
As others have said depends on what deal company has with key fuels.
More fuel you buy the better the discount.
On a side note noticed local Tesco has stickers up saying pay at pump we will auto debit your account for £120 then refund straight away the difference. Was £100 alough never use pay at pump anyway refuse to
On a side note noticed local Tesco has stickers up saying pay at pump we will auto debit your account for £120 then refund straight away the difference. Was £100 alough never use pay at pump anyway refuse to
Thing is you have a 55 litre tank generally in a car, bigger cars will have more, and especially if it’s diesel you’ll be over £100 so you won’t be able to fill your tank unless you have 2 goes at it, hence they need to put that £100 up, because that’s when the fuel cuts off.
On a side note noticed local Tesco has stickers up saying pay at pump we will auto debit your account for £120 then refund straight away the difference. Was £100 alough never use pay at pump anyway refuse to
Thing is you have a 55 litre tank generally in a car, bigger cars will have more, and especially if it’s diesel you’ll be over £100 so you won’t be able to fill your tank unless you have 2 goes at it, hence they need to put that £100 up, because that’s when the fuel cuts off.
Only idiots fill their car fuel tank to the top, carrying all that extra weight around just costs more in the long run
On a side note noticed local Tesco has stickers up saying pay at pump we will auto debit your account for £120 then refund straight away the difference. Was £100 alough never use pay at pump anyway refuse to
Thing is you have a 55 litre tank generally in a car, bigger cars will have more, and especially if it’s diesel you’ll be over £100 so you won’t be able to fill your tank unless you have 2 goes at it, hence they need to put that £100 up, because that’s when the fuel cuts off.
Only idiots fill their car fuel tank to the top, carrying all that extra weight around just costs more in the long run
Ford Focus bare and empty 1,300kgs.
With driver, kit bag and half a tank, add 200kgs?
Top up tank extra 25kgs?
About one and a half % extra weight?
That wont make 1 or 2 % difference to fuel used, as more fuel is used (depending on the sort of driving you do) moving air, it is speed related. It will make a small difference to economy, but will also mean youll need to visit garage more often, and personally I`d rather visit forecourt once for 75 litres, than 3 times for about 25 litres.
On a side note noticed local Tesco has stickers up saying pay at pump we will auto debit your account for £120 then refund straight away the difference. Was £100 alough never use pay at pump anyway refuse to
Thing is you have a 55 litre tank generally in a car, bigger cars will have more, and especially if it’s diesel you’ll be over £100 so you won’t be able to fill your tank unless you have 2 goes at it, hence they need to put that £100 up, because that’s when the fuel cuts off.
Only idiots fill their car fuel tank to the top, carrying all that extra weight around just costs more in the long run
Ford Focus bare and empty 1,300kgs.
With driver, kit bag and half a tank, add 200kgs?
Top up tank extra 25kgs?
About one and a half % extra weight?
That wont make 1 or 2 % difference to fuel used, as more fuel is used (depending on the sort of driving you do) moving air, it is speed related. It will make a small difference to economy, but will also mean youll need to visit garage more often, and personally I`d rather visit forecourt once for 75 litres, than 3 times for about 25 litres.
Don’t doubt your figures but work it out over a year or two, it’ll soon add up, and in the current economic climate it might help some people if they were switched on to it…but then again most people are like sheep or won’t change their habits and carry on regardless
Thanks ! But I do, that`s why I put the workings there.
RIPPER:
work it out over a year or two, it’ll soon add up, and in the current economic climate it might help some people if they were switched on to it…but then again most people are like sheep or won’t change their habits and carry on regardless
Yep, it will make a difference, as also will blowing tyres up a little harder, driving smoother, throwing away the spare wheel and toolkit.
And I agree it is always good to talk about these things, not just carry on blindly.
But Ill still run from full to 1/4, cause I cant be arsed visiting garages!
Ha ha, the first time I spotted it I panicked for a second and thought “Am I filling up with red diesel?”, but no, it was ordinary fuel.