Fresnel lens

Hi my name is julie, It has been suggested to me by a few british hgv drivers to join the forum to ask for a bit of support. Recently I was involved in a side-swipe accident with a polish lorry…shock horror…ermm not really please read my story.
1st October 2012 at 5.45pm
I was stationary at traffic lights on the Junction 10 roundabout which joins the M20 london bound and coast bound, this roundabout has another 3 exits. I was sitting in a lane which can be used for either the M20 coast bound or the A20. The traffic lights were red,the traffic was heavy in my lane and the other 2 lanes to my right,to the left hand side of me the traffic was moving slowly but more freely than all other lanes.The lights changed to green I released my handbrake put my car in 1st gear and started to release the clutch to move forward. With no warning, suddenly I felt a heavy impact to my left I realised I had been hit by a lorry, with the force of the impact I was jolted across my car and hit my head on the window and the side of my body hit the door hard,I then felt my car being pushed at an angle towards the right, across the roundabout lanes,i tried to accelerate but my wheels were only spinning as I was caught up and pinned to the lorry.

The other motorists were sounding their horns trying to get the lorry drivers attention, but I was still being pushed, it was only when the lorry braked suddenly my car was released and I managed to get away.I was terrified,felt helpless and dread to think what could have happened,I honestly thought my car would be crushed with me inside.It was only afterwards I realised I could have been taken down the M20 still on the lorry which I really dont want to think about.I also could have had my 7 year old son in the car,5 minutes earlier he had been begging to go with his dad instead of me as he loves going with him as a treat we told him just to get in with me but he started crying so to save hassle we said ’ oh go on then’, thank goodness we did!

Well the HGV driver realised what he had done and followed me off the roundabout to a layby, I got out of the car and I couldnt stop shaking,he got out the cab and was very apologetic and looked like he felt bad,he was polish and said ‘Im sorry I didnt see you your car is too little’. Ok my car is small compared to a massive hgv but its not that small …a skoda fabia. I looked at my car the whole passenger side bent, scratched, covered in blue paint from the lorry and pushed in from the front of the passenger door all the way to the boot.

I asked him where he was trying to go,he said Dover M20,the only way from his lane is the A20 you cannot go from that lane to Dover on the M20 it means cutting the lanes,which is what he had done, only problem was I was there in my car that was too little to see.The police came said its a regular occurence that they just dont see you,they took our details and he went on his way,oh yes he had a small scratch to the front side of his cab about 8 inches long.Like I say he was a nice person I didnt hold any malice towards him he really just didnt see me.

During the following weeks I had many conversations with different people,and what became clearer,was, that this is NOT an isolated incident, everyone I spoke to had either had a near miss,a collision or knew someone who had, and they always seemed to be with foreign lorries.
I was told by someone they thought something was available at the port to help with blindspot vision when driving an HGV.
I began researching, I approached 2 traffic officers and asked them about this,that is when they gave me a pack and told me these are given out free at ports to LHD lorries …The Fresnel lens.
I researched the lens, read 112 page final report by the Vosa research and development team…I could not believe with the information this report contained that these lenses are not compulsary for LHD vehicles entering the uk. I would like to quote something from the report.
In 2006-2007 over a period of just over 6 months 40,000 fresnel lenses were handed out as a study…section 5.2.1
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In the period following the distribution there were approximatley 11 LHD sideswipe incidents per week as opposed to 26 a week before lenses were issued-a reduction of 59%.
The reduction could possibly have been even greater if more HGVs had lenses or if the drivers had been COMPELLED to fit them.

I have started a petition on the governments website , for all foreign lorries and coaches entering the uk to have to fit a fresnel lens before driving on uk roads. I dont particularly feel they should be free,but they are at the moment and I cant start a petition to make them pay for them lol!!! But please please help me on this, it could be your wife ,mum, sister daughter this could happen to, i know there are a lot of other issues but this is one I may be able to do something about…i hope.

Anyway thanks for taking the time to read this and I wish you all well,also, i really hope you dont think im one of those do gooders,ive never done a petition and probably never will again, and if you have any views on the lens that would be great for me, i also know that many foreign hgv drivers and british drivers who drive for foreign firms take as much time as possible to set up their mirrors so they can see as much as possible and cover blind spots
Julie x

This is the link …I need 100,000 signatures to have the chance of having this debated in parliament epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41241

I’ve moved your post to the main forum where I think it will receive more views and responses. dd. :wink:

i`ve signed your petition.i have seen trucks fitted with these and assumed the driver had bought one■■? a brilliant idea why cant uk drivers be issued with one at port of exit when we go abroad??

Hi thankyou, I have a meeting with my mp in december and i am going to be raising this issue, i think it only fair if british drivers want them they should be able to have one. I have been told by port police they are available free on dept of transport website for british drivers but i havent checked that out yet,so i cant say for certain until ive looked :confused: Ive had a look and I cant see any links to it, i will try and find out more sorry :imp: :unamused:

Signed.

Signed especially because of this - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28845

ROG:
Signed especially because of this - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28845

That sounds awful much worse than what happened to me and that was bad enough, glad youre ok.
Thanks everyone whos already signed

Signed. Can only be a good thing to get it made compulsory, Glad you,re OK :slight_smile:

First of all let me say how sorry I am that you was involved in such an accident, we should all appreciate your attitude in not blaming lorry drivers in general for what happened like so many people would :smiley:

I don’t do Euro work and have never used a Fresnel lens so I don’t really know the full details of any possible disadvantages to using one, however I’ve signed your petition because a debate on the subject cannot do any harm but may do a lot of good.

Good luck :wink:

The HA give these lenses away for free, stop one of traffic officer patrols to see if they have any, most of the cars have a couple on board. :wink:

You mean like this Julie

londonthamesport.co.uk/press … px?pid=244

I’ve still got a couple in my bag, rather than British taxpayers paying for them I would like to see them available for sale at Ports, any lorry entering the county is turned round & sent back if they don’t affix one on entry,

I’m sure its cheaper to buy a fresnel than a return ferry ticket :slight_smile:

Hello Julie, sorry about your mishap, its one of many that happen week in week out here in the uk by foreign lorries, sad to say mostly Polish…one of the reasons for this is the fact they do not abide by the rules regarding obtaining their HGV licence…they are allowed to take a test, in a Farm tractor with a trailer attached ( straight from a car experience only ) this allows them to drive a 44 ton truck and trailer across europe without the relevant experience, and they end up here in the uk, where they side swipe many small cars saying i didnt see you because your car is too smallwhereas its the lack of driving skills in driving the type of vehicle they are licenced for, and of course a good way to obtain a british one.
On trucks a number of years ago, we were compulsory fitted with a mirror above the n/s door glass, we called this the upside down mirror, which enabled us to see anything down the side of our vehicle, fortunately foreign trucks were also made to fit these mirrors as well, so if a driver of any nationality, worth an ounce of salt, were to look in his mirrors, in tight situations, there would be fewer incidents. After completing 50 yrs driving these juggernauts, and 30 years of driving across europe and beyond, not once did i use fresnel lense, some drivers did and do, and even today when i drive, some trucks have them in ( drivers choice ) i find they are more of a hindrance as they reflect road markings, sadly i rip them out whenever i can.You may show your MP this blog, and maybe he can do something about what i`ve written, and also mention the fact that a lot of incidents are caused also by trucks of all nationalities, because the drivers are so tired and exhausted after working or being awake for over 18 hours, a fact blamed by me, and made law by non elected beaurocrats from brussels…drive carefully…
ps i will not sign to give freebies to foreigners.

truckyboy:
Hello Julie, sorry about your mishap, its one of many that happen week in week out here in the uk by foreign lorries, sad to say mostly Polish…one of the reasons for this is the fact they do not abide by the rules regarding obtaining their HGV licence…they are allowed to take a test, in a Farm tractor with a trailer attached ( straight from a car experience only ) this allows them to drive a 44 ton truck and trailer across europe without the relevant experience,

That may well have happened in the past but in the last few years their LGV training and test is far more stringent than ours in the UK - seriously

thanks everyone for your replies, I do think they should pay for them and that will probably be the case if it is brought in as a legal requirement. I did know this about the polish drivers upgrading their licenses as I have several friends who are HGV drivers and they have much to say about not only this but other issues. The petition isnt to say welcome to england have this on us put it on if you like which is the case at the moment.It is to try and reduce the side swipe incidents and make the roads safer for all of us. Can you see our wonderful generous government making it law then giving them out for free? I cant lol. :bulb:

ROG:
Signed especially because of this - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28845

christ, :open_mouth: lucky escape Rog, glad it turned out OK for you!
Did they ever track down the truck??
Il be paying alot more attention to LHD wagons than i normally do from now on.

Petition signed. I always thought these mirrors were manditory on left hookers aswel.

Julie i agree with your petition and have signed it but can u please correct the grammer, missing words etc as it should be easier to understand and read

All foreign lorries and coaches entering the uk are required to have blind spot mirrors fitted as a legal requirement before being allowed to drive on uk roads.
However in addition to these EU required mirrors a see through plastic lens called a fresnel lens can be fixed to the passenger window.
These lenses are already given out free of charge to left and right hand drive lorries entering the UK, once fixed into place (which takes a few minutes) on the vehicles passenger window,the driver is able to see vehicles,bikes etc alongside their vehicle which would otherwise be in the vehicles blind spot. Very rarely are these lenses put in place by the driver as it is not a legal requirement, therefore, resulting in these large primarliy left hand drive vehicles being a constant hazard for uk road users.

regards
Steve

I should have come on here before I set the petition up,as I cant change anything on it without setting up a whole new one. Sorry if it doesnt read properly,thankyou for signing, I will copy out your wording and take it when I meet with the mp as he is the one who I will be asking to put the proposal forward.

Sorry to read about what happened. Glad you’re ok.

Signed

signed it

You can get a lens if you ship my ferry link as they have them in there booths

I drive a uk registered lorry but its left hand drive. My vehicle has cameras on the front and my off side that are activated when I use the turning signal. It is also fittted with a collision buzzer on the door pillar. We have fresnel lenses fitted as well, not them ones you get from the HA or VOSA they are a smaller more rounded at the edges type of thing with no bloody air bubbles in. They are handy but not as good as a blind spot camera . Good luck with your campaign though