BillyHunt:
I can confirm one thing re calibre of rounds, there is a direct correlation between the size of the round & the size of your sphincter. When you realise you’re under fire, you don’t at first until you hear the thumps & see earth flying around, regardless of the size of the round your sphincter will be the approximate size of a dustbin lid.
They don’t tell you that on Google.
Going from memory here, but as I recall our armed response units don’t use automatic weapons. Now I’m no firearms expert, but surely that has a bigger influence over round size when it comes to causing damagr?
They use H&K mp5’s as a rule which can be set to fire single rounds or bursts (automatic), but I assume they would very rarely if ever fire on automatic.
BillyHunt:
I can confirm one thing re calibre of rounds, When you realise you’re under fire, you don’t at first until you hear the thumps & see earth flying around, regardless of the size of the round your sphincter will be the approximate size of a dustbin lid.
That’s stating the bleedin obvious.I’ve never had the pleasure of being shot at by someone with an AK and if I did it would unfortunately be in the even worse situation of not being able to shoot back even if I could see who it was doing the shooting.In which case being that it’s most likely to be a copper who’ll hopefully be there to stop the zb,if ‘that copper’,not google,says he wants the choice of something better/bigger than a small calibre toy to shoot back with,then the choice of something better/bigger is what he should have.
Size, as usual, doesn’t come into it, it’s more a case of distance to the enemy. But I’m sure you know that
It’s more a case of the ‘combination’ of penetrating power and range.
In which case someone armed with an AK has more of an advantage in being able to shoot holes in the opposition from a longer distance than someone armed with a 5.5 toy.As I said it’s ‘our police’ armed response not me who would have to face these nutters and if ‘they’ say they want more firepower in terms of calibre ( which they have said ) then give them the choice.Then those who want to take the pea shooter have that choice and those who’d prefer something like the more powerful 7.62 FN/AL have the choice too.Bearing in mind that the thing is no less effective at closer ranges as at a distance and vice versa as anyone shot at during Bloody Sunday or the Arab side v Israelis would know.
BillyHunt:
I can confirm one thing re calibre of rounds, there is a direct correlation between the size of the round & the size of your sphincter. When you realise you’re under fire, you don’t at first until you hear the thumps & see earth flying around, regardless of the size of the round your sphincter will be the approximate size of a dustbin lid.
They don’t tell you that on Google.
Going from memory here, but as I recall our armed response units don’t use automatic weapons. Now I’m no firearms expert, but surely that has a bigger influence over round size when it comes to causing damagr?
They use H&K mp5’s as a rule which can be set to fire single rounds or bursts (automatic), but I assume they would very rarely if ever fire on automatic.
On that note calibre itself isn’t everything there is a balance between muzzle velocity v calibre.Which is why a Garand rifle ( let alone the FN or an AK) is a better bet than a tommy gun at anything much more than pistol type ranges.In the case of the MP5 v an AK it’s the difference between 25-100 m v 400 m.As opposed to 600 m for the FN.Auto v semi auto is a red herring because auto is at the expense of accuracy wether it’s an AK or an FN and semi auto is quick enough.
Theres a tremendous usage of the word ‘we’ here,we should’ve bombed this,shouldVe invaded that,etc,as though the machinations of the zionist puppets currently playing out is somehow representative of all!?!Some folks need to wake up here,theres no WE…just THEM,the usual zion,banker,mason cabal,just itching for their long planned war,if you have ever read The Protocols Of the Learned Elders Of Zion,or Albert Pikes-Morals And Dogma,theres your answer,it’s all starkly laid out for all to see,they seem to be ratcheting up the tension at prez,there’s some seriously sick creatures at the tiller of our earth currently but thankfully websites such as Waking Times,Zengardner,Henry makow and Smoking Mirrors are there to educate and inform.
manalishi:
Theres a tremendous usage of the word ‘we’ here,we should’ve bombed this,shouldVe invaded that,etc,as though the machinations of the zionist puppets
manalishi:
Theres a tremendous usage of the word ‘we’ here,we should’ve bombed this,shouldVe invaded that,etc,as though the machinations of the zionist puppets
Tin foil hat anti Jewish bs.
Not really,most of the people I like in music and film seem to be Jewish,had a Jewish girlfriend,my beef is with the upper strata of jewery who subscribe to a malignant creed of superiority,gods chosen ones type of deal.Do some research pilgrim.
BillyHunt:
I can confirm one thing re calibre of rounds, When you realise you’re under fire, you don’t at first until you hear the thumps & see earth flying around, regardless of the size of the round your sphincter will be the approximate size of a dustbin lid.
That’s stating the bleedin obvious.I’ve never had the pleasure of being shot at by someone with an AK and if I did it would unfortunately be in the even worse situation of not being able to shoot back even if I could see who it was doing the shooting.In which case being that it’s most likely to be a copper who’ll hopefully be there to stop the zb,if ‘that copper’,not google,says he wants the choice of something better/bigger than a small calibre toy to shoot back with,then the choice of something better/bigger is what he should have.
Size, as usual, doesn’t come into it, it’s more a case of distance to the enemy. But I’m sure you know that
It’s more a case of the ‘combination’ of penetrating power and range.
In which case someone armed with an AK has more of an advantage in being able to shoot holes in the opposition from a longer distance than someone armed with a 5.5 toy.As I said it’s ‘our police’ armed response not me who would have to face these nutters and if ‘they’ say they want more firepower in terms of calibre ( which they have said ) then give them the choice.Then those who want to take the pea shooter have that choice and those who’d prefer something like the more powerful 7.62 FN/AL have the choice too.Bearing in mind that the thing is no less effective at closer ranges as at a distance and vice versa as the Argies and anyone shot at during Bloody Sunday or the Arab side v Israelis would know.
I think you’ll find the ak47 is primarily used as a close quarter battle weapon, mainly due to its poor performance over any significant distance. The current 5.56 rifle is accurate up to distances of 300 mtrs, the distance the British army train at. Now I could be wrong here, let’s face it I only taught weapons & tactics in the army for 8 years,but I would rather be shooting at the enemy from 200/300 mtrs using 5.56 than try to get within 30 mtrs before firing my 9mm ak47. Having said that Google wasn’t around when I was an instructor.
manalishi:
Theres a tremendous usage of the word ‘we’ here,we should’ve bombed this,shouldVe invaded that,etc,as though the machinations of the zionist puppets
Tin foil hat anti Jewish bs.
Not really,most of the people I like in music and film seem to be Jewish,had a Jewish girlfriend,my beef is with the upper strata of jewery who subscribe to a malignant creed of superiority,gods chosen ones type of deal.Do some research pilgrim.
If I’ve got it right Zionist describes anyone who supports the idea of the nation state of Israel ?.Obviously to them there is only one God their God.Like ours feel free to not believe in their bible or believe only part of it or have a laugh about it.
BillyHunt:
I think you’ll find the ak47 is primarily used as a close quarter battle weapon, mainly due to its poor performance over any significant distance. The current 5.56 rifle is accurate up to distances of 300 mtrs, the distance the British army train at. Now I could be wrong here, let’s face it I only taught weapons & tactics in the army for 8 years,but I would rather be shooting at the enemy from 200/300 mtrs using 5.56 than try to get within 30 mtrs before firing my 9mm ak47. Having said that Google wasn’t around when I was an instructor.
Obviously our police chief disagrees with your expert opinion.Maybe the Russians are lying about the effectiveness of their gun. Bearing in mind that 7.62 with a muzzle velocity of 715 m/s seems like a lot of effort just for an effective range of 350 m.Not to mention that NATO obviously decided that they needed something with equal calibre and an effective range of 400-600 m to put up against it in the form of the FN.
In which case,as I said,give our ‘coppers’ the choice and let ‘them’ decide which one ‘they’ prefer to go up against the AK with.
Having said that both the G36 or the AR15 which he says they’ve actually got don’t seem to be lacking in terms of velocity or range v the AK.Which can only mean that he’s saying that the lighter bullet is stopped too easily by cover obstacles or doesn’t do enough damage when it hits someone ?.
BillyHunt:
I think you’ll find the ak47 is primarily used as a close quarter battle weapon, mainly due to its poor performance over any significant distance. The current 5.56 rifle is accurate up to distances of 300 mtrs, the distance the British army train at. Now I could be wrong here, let’s face it I only taught weapons & tactics in the army for 8 years,but I would rather be shooting at the enemy from 200/300 mtrs using 5.56 than try to get within 30 mtrs before firing my 9mm ak47. Having said that Google wasn’t around when I was an instructor.
Obviously our police chief disagrees with your expert opinion.Maybe the Russians are lying about the effectiveness of their gun. Bearing in mind that 7.62 with a muzzle velocity of 715 m/s seems like a lot of effort just for an effective range of 350 m.Not to mention that NATO obviously decided that they needed something with equal calibre and an effective range of 400-600 m to put up against it in the form of the FN.
In which case,as I said,give our ‘coppers’ the choice and let ‘them’ decide which one ‘they’ prefer to go up against the AK with.
Having said that both the G36 or the AR15 which he says they’ve actually got don’t seem to be lacking in terms of velocity or range v the AK.Which can only mean that he’s saying that the lighter bullet is stopped too easily by cover obstacles or doesn’t do enough damage when it hits someone ?.
Obviously another area of expertise in your huge portfolio. Why, if they’re so effective, do we not use them. Prior to taking on the 5.56 rifle the British army were considering using the AR15, even looking at and trialing the AR16, you’ll know why they didn’t go down those routes.
BillyHunt:
I can confirm one thing re calibre of rounds, there is a direct correlation between the size of the round & the size of your sphincter. When you realise you’re under fire, you don’t at first until you hear the thumps & see earth flying around, regardless of the size of the round your sphincter will be the approximate size of a dustbin lid.
They don’t tell you that on Google.
Going from memory here, but as I recall our armed response units don’t use automatic weapons. Now I’m no firearms expert, but surely that has a bigger influence over round size when it comes to causing damagr?
They use H&K mp5’s as a rule which can be set to fire single rounds or bursts (automatic), but I assume they would very rarely if ever fire on automatic.
On that note calibre itself isn’t everything there is a balance between muzzle velocity v calibre.Which is why a Garand rifle ( let alone the FN or an AK) is a better bet than a tommy gun at anything much more than pistol type ranges.In the case of the MP5 v an AK it’s the difference between 25-100 m v 400 m.As opposed to 600 m for the FN.Auto v semi auto is a red herring because auto is at the expense of accuracy wether it’s an AK or an FN and semi auto is quick enough.
Having used an FN (or SLR if you prefer) in anger I can categorically state that they are totally unsuitable for police use for the simple reason that the bullet doesn’t stop when it’s hit its target! Fine for the battlefield, definite no no for use in potentially crowded with civilians areas.
the maoster:
Having used an FN (or SLR if you prefer) in anger I can categorically state that they are totally unsuitable for police use for the simple reason that the bullet doesn’t stop when it’s hit its target! Fine for the battlefield, definite no no for use in potentially crowded with civilians areas.
It seems strange why they’d apply double standards in 1970’s Ireland in that regard.The fact is if we’ve got a load of AK armed Jihadists on the rampage at one end of the high street and the law are at the other ‘the civilians’ will just have to take our chances that the police bullets take out the right people in that case.
Carryfast:
Having said that both the G36 or the AR15 which he says they’ve actually got don’t seem to be lacking in terms of velocity or range v the AK.Which can only mean that he’s saying that the lighter bullet is stopped too easily by cover obstacles or doesn’t do enough damage when it hits someone ?.
Obviously another area of expertise in your huge portfolio. Why, if they’re so effective, do we not use them. Prior to taking on the 5.56 rifle the British army were considering using the AR15, even looking at and trialing the AR16, you’ll know why they didn’t go down those routes.
Don’t ask me I’m not the law.However what I do know is that the argument between the older heavier NATO 7.62 v later smaller 5.56 is on going and widespread IE it isn’t just our police who are saying it.So the army don’t want the AR 15 either just like the law in this case.The law’s argument obviously being the perceived hitting power ( or lack of it ) of the 5.56 v presumably something with more hitting power like the 7.62 ?.Bearing in mind the AR 15 uses the same 5.56 calibre round in question.
BillyHunt:
I think you’ll find the ak47 is primarily used as a close quarter battle weapon, mainly due to its poor performance over any significant distance. The current 5.56 rifle is accurate up to distances of 300 mtrs, the distance the British army train at. Now I could be wrong here, let’s face it I only taught weapons & tactics in the army for 8 years,but I would rather be shooting at the enemy from 200/300 mtrs using 5.56 than try to get within 30 mtrs before firing my 9mm ak47. Having said that Google wasn’t around when I was an instructor.
Obviously our police chief disagrees with your expert opinion.Maybe the Russians are lying about the effectiveness of their gun. Bearing in mind that 7.62 with a muzzle velocity of 715 m/s seems like a lot of effort just for an effective range of 350 m.Not to mention that NATO obviously decided that they needed something with equal calibre and an effective range of 400-600 m to put up against it in the form of the FN.
In which case,as I said,give our ‘coppers’ the choice and let ‘them’ decide which one ‘they’ prefer to go up against the AK with.
Having said that both the G36 or the AR15 which he says they’ve actually got don’t seem to be lacking in terms of velocity or range v the AK.Which can only mean that he’s saying that the lighter bullet is stopped too easily by cover obstacles or doesn’t do enough damage when it hits someone ?.
I don’t know what to say.
Carryfast, you don’t help yourself do you chap? Firearms expert now! This is comedy gold
You do make me laugh
I’ve never been shot thank goodness, but I would imagine if you were shot by a 5.5 as you call it, your first reaction wouldn’t be to call it a “toy”. I’d imagine searing agony, splintered bones, ruptures organs or a mess in the head. Not much of a toy. I wouldn’t market it to kids for Christmas really.
I don’t understand people like this, born in democratic country, have all the opportunities in life thanks to that country and choosing to go back 13 centuries in time.
James the cat:
Carryfast, you don’t help yourself do you chap? Firearms expert now! This is comedy gold
You do make me laugh
I’ve never been shot thank goodness, but I would imagine if you were shot by a 5.5 as you call it, your first reaction wouldn’t be to call it a “toy”. I’d imagine searing agony, splintered bones, ruptures organs or a mess in the head. Not much of a toy. I wouldn’t market it to kids for Christmas really.
Suggest you check out the edited links which I’ve posted above.Although the Jihadists obviously won’t like the reference to the performance of the 5.56 v a pig at even close range and the similarities in pig anatomy to that of humans. Bearing in mind that pigs aren’t going to be shooting back with AK’s.
Carryfast, there is tons of information about calibers, don’t mix police and military arms needs.
I could tell you that the MP10 is a huge overkill for urban police use, for “sniping” or long range its great, but regular CT police in cities never shoot beyond 100m, besides snipers.
I would love to see Fn/HK or SIG AR in .280 British with modern powder, bullets, brass etc. I think NATO should have gone to .280, but it is what it is.
scrotumscratcher:
a 5.56 will do everything that you state,a 7.62 will have a small entry hole go straight through and leave an exit hole you can fit your head in .
And yet according to the word in a place where they know a bit about guns a single 5.56 NATO shot won’t stop a flying pig at 25 yards.
While the description of the exit hole in the Jihadist’s back is probably what our police chief is rightly looking for.Although no one says the rules of the Geneva convention apply in this case which might provide a bit of scope for a bit of bullet tampering to slow it down on the way through and leave an even bigger hole in the Jihadist on the way out.
Bearing in mind that 7.62 with a muzzle velocity of 715 m/s seems like a lot of effort just for an effective range of 350 m.Not to mention that NATO obviously decided that they needed something with equal calibre and an effective range of 400-600 m to put up against it in the form of the FN. 
