eagerbeaver:
I agree with previous remarks. You can’t have a second instance of multiple deaths caused by a LGV with no redress.
There has to be fault here and I suspect the public who already hate us, might do a little bit more if an acquittal is achieved.
By that logic there’s not much point in a trial based on specific proof of fault beyond reasonable doubt.
Meanwhile how does your idea work assuming that it’s the DVSA establishment’s own training regime that’s really to blame for predictably cooking the brakes of a truck.IE exactly ‘who’ are you going to put on trial in that case ?.
Bath Chronicle has said the 11 jurors to reconvene tomorrow morning so probably a verdict to follow as I’m sure they’d want it wrapped up before Chrimbo.
The thing is though CF, has this been mentioned at the trial? If (and I agree with you btw) a badly thought out training regime is partially responsible, this needs bringing up before a judge.
All very well us discussing it on the web, but I am getting the feeling from this trial that not only is blame potentially not going to be apportioned, an even bigger issue is the fact that no learning or/and improving of processes is taking place.
I can see this happening again sadly unless a thorough investigation is carried out, and I suspect it won’t
As for blame itself, wasn’t the lad travelling in a restricted zone, and as such people may not have been killed if he wasn’t using the rat run?
Terrible accident. Viscous hills around that area that have over the years caught a few drivers out. Having a truck run away there is going to end badly as there is nowhere to go.
Coming from an age where we had drum braked tandem axle trailers, poorer maintenance, crash gearboxes etc., we were aware of steep descents. Are the dangers still relayed to new drivers?
Darkside:
Are the dangers still relayed to new drivers?
I am not blaming the driver only asking.
NO they are not, the first day of our utterly pointless DCPC course the bloke that took us reckoned he was a lorry instructor, he kept going on and on and on about how marvellous brakes are now, agreed, and so no need to go down through the gears, yes he and i had words that day.
The point about brakes is that yes they are good now, until that is summat goes wrong and then they aint, and if you’ve relied on them on a long steep downhill, if something does fail you already have red hot brakes so less chance to save the day than othewise, plus the properly trained driver will already be in a suitable gear, belt and braces.
The training regime needs a good kicking, and i am thoroughly disappointed with driver trainers that they haven’t got together as a group to highlight this issue and force whoever is in charge to think again, IMHO they should have done this long ago, and insisted on the gearchanging exercise still being valid regardless of whether auto or manual.
I shall be writing to Miss Bell in due course about this issue once this case is concluded, it may do no good but might as well speak straight to the organ grinder.
Darkside:
Are the dangers still relayed to new drivers?
I am not blaming the driver only asking.
NO they are not, the first day of our utterly pointless DCPC course the bloke that took us reckoned he was a lorry instructor, he kept going on and on and on about how marvellous brakes are now, agreed, and so no need to go down through the gears, yes he and i had words that day.
The point about brakes is that yes they are good now, until that is summat goes wrong and then they aint, and if you’ve relied on them on a long steep downhill, if something does fail you already have red hot brakes so less chance to save the day than othewise, plus the properly trained driver will already be in a suitable gear, belt and braces.
The training regime needs a good kicking, and i am thoroughly disappointed with driver trainers that they haven’t got together as a group to highlight this issue and force whoever is in charge to think again, IMHO they should have done this long ago, and insisted on the gearchanging exercise still being valid regardless of whether auto or manual.
I shall be writing to Miss Bell in due course about this issue once this case is concluded, it may do no good but might as well speak straight to the organ grinder.
The problem is that would require an admission by the establishment that they’ve got it wrong.In following a silly theory,creating over reliance on brakes,which seems to have originated long ago,among the not as good as they’d like to think they are,police car driver set.Which could predictably have catastrophic consequences when transferred to heavy trucks.
kr79:
Carryfast will be composing a post how this is a dvsa conspiracy to hide shortcomings in the driving test
If you read my posts you’ll have seen that I actually said the operator had damned himself with his own admission regarding the thing’s condition regardless.I also said that hopefully the judge will make an example of him.
The mechanic’s verdict has big ramifications for self-employed mechanics doing inspections where the operator, or someone else, is also doing work. I thought it likely he would get off and the driver and operator carry the can.
For sense of balance they were not found guilty of quite a few of the charges.
kr79:
Carryfast will be composing a post how this is a dvsa conspiracy to hide shortcomings in the driving test
If you read my posts you’ll have seen that I actually said the operator had damned himself with his own admission regarding the thing’s condition regardless.I also said that hopefully the judge will make an example of him.
kr79:
Carryfast will be composing a post how this is a dvsa conspiracy to hide shortcomings in the driving test
If you read my posts you’ll have seen that I actually said the operator had damned himself with his own admission regarding the thing’s condition regardless.I also said that hopefully the judge will make an example of him.
