chester1:
The two above statements are two of the daftest I’ve seen in a while on this forum about people in there 50s should not need to chase the money . Life happens marriages end some had families later in life and not all of us live in places like hull or Grantham (or where ever Dozy claims his steak waiting every Friday) where houses can be exchanged for not much more than the cost a bag of chips.
I will take this response as you don’t agree then, I started feathering my nest many years ago as I was sensible, I worked hard for what I have now and it has paid off as my working hard days are far behind me. I haven’t had any more chances than anyone else has had, I am certainly not ashamed of doing well either. You’re life pans out to you’re own choices and decisions and marriages broken down or starting late whatever makes little difference to your outcome. If you have earned the money but blown it, once again it is your own choice. I fail to see how anyone in their fifty’s can say that they need more hours. I wouldn’t be trading my house in for a bag of chips either. I mortgaged myself up to the hilt when I was younger as I was earning the wages to do that. No secret to being financially secure, but you have to have been sensible to begin with.
dozy:
i find it laughable , the vast majority of drivers are 50 / 60 so w t f are you bothered about
Money , as I’ve said before , wages should be pocket money , surely mortgages are finished , kids left home , no debts etc etc when your in your 50 / 60 ,s , what have all these 50 + drivers been doing to still be bothered about money
Mind i worked with a bloke who didn’t talk for a week because years ago I got asked to do a run on a Saturday & he didn’t , he was in his 60 ,s
Just remember all you money obsessed people , you can’t take it with you !!!
Ok doze, so if you ain’t bothered about money too much, why are you in a job that is synonimous with ridiculous and excessive hours, …and you especially you are well known on here for maxing hours out regularly.
A proper job is half the hours, and if you ain’t too bothered about money surely an amount equating to a maximum of up to 40 hours would be adequate for your ‘pocket money’
UKtramp:
I find it incredible that people into their fifties still live to their wages each week. These are the ones who are always spouting off how good wages they are on, well if the wages were as good as they make out then they shouldn’t need to be working the hours that they need to. It’s very sad to see someone needing to do long shifts in order to live. If you have sat in a lorry all of you’re life then it has all been for nothing. I won’t work off shore or travel nowadays because I made sure I was comfortable from a younger age. I was mortgage free from 40 and two new cars and a motorbike paid for. My wages are purely for fun and holidays, not for living off, terrible when you see the sorry states some have gotten themselves in all because they were not sensible from a younger age.
Hmmm …you’d stopped boasting for a while UKt mate, what’s brought it back on?
If you’re in a fortunate position fair play.
I also took steps when younger to seal my financial future, but things went ■■■■ up through little direct fault of my own. and I won’t bore you with the details, but it involved the loss of a business and a house.
You can not put people in the 50 to 60 bracket in one category, everybody’s circumstances in life are different.
I went from being well off, to being on the bones of my arse, to later on working hard enough to rebuild a reasonably good lifestyle, which was later more or less sealed just last year in fact, by money left to me in a will.
I would not go as far as to say I use my wages as pocket money, but it pays the bills and makes things even better…I do not work ridiculous max hours anymore either. (Although I confess to dropping myself in it this week by agreeing to do a mon to sat shift, instead of my wed to sat. )
So in many cases it ain’t a case of ‘not being sensible’ it’s more a result of all the negative crap chucked at you in life, and how good you are at deflecting it (or not) and sorting stuff out…and of course luck.
If Dozy and UKtramp really are 2 separate people then they are aren’t doing a very good job of convincing everyone based on their identical back to back posts above making the exact same point but written in different styles.
tmcassett:
If Dozy and UKtramp really are 2 separate people then they are aren’t doing a very good job of convincing everyone based on their identical back to back posts above making the exact same point but written in different styles.
I just give them/him the benefit of the doubt, just in the spirit of keeping the forum going with conversation and points.
Tbh I’m sick of all this double Id outing crap, the only time I jump on the bandwagon is if some obnoxious 2hat tries to give me forum grief in both or all of his id s, …I always seem to attract that type for some reason, hence the signature at the bottom (it’s a talent of mine on here )
If they are/he is, or is not the same person I don’t really give a one anymore tbh. …let them/him (or her, there’s a curveball for you ) crack on either way.
chester1:
The two above statements are two of the daftest I’ve seen in a while on this forum about people in there 50s should not need to chase the money . Life happens marriages end some had families later in life and not all of us live in places like hull or Grantham (or where ever Dozy claims his steak waiting every Friday) where houses can be exchanged for not much more than the cost a bag of chips.
I will take this response as you don’t agree then, I started feathering my nest many years ago as I was sensible, I worked hard for what I have now and it has paid off as my working hard days are far behind me. I haven’t had any more chances than anyone else has had, I am certainly not ashamed of doing well either. You’re life pans out to you’re own choices and decisions and marriages broken down or starting late whatever makes little difference to your outcome. If you have earned the money but blown it, once again it is your own choice. I fail to see how anyone in their fifty’s can say that they need more hours. I wouldn’t be trading my house in for a bag of chips either. I mortgaged myself up to the hilt when I was younger as I was earning the wages to do that. No secret to being financially secure, but you have to have been sensible to begin with.
I think you are full of crap you are probably sat there typing from the 10th floor of your cat ■■■■ council mansion. Life is not always about choice No matter how clever you think you are hopefully one day life will jump up and bite you on the arse and you will forever regret gloating those words . Even this pandemic will probably add years to a lot of people’s mortgages who have been laid off and forced to take payment holidays . Some of us had mortgage rates go up to 15 odd percent and many had houses repossessed ( not me ) these ain’t choices it’s life
chester1:
I think you are full of crap you are probably sat there typing from the 10th floor of your cat [zb] council mansion. Life is not always about choice No matter how clever you think you are hopefully one day life will jump up and bite you on the arse and you will forever regret gloating those words . Even this pandemic will probably add years to a lot of people’s mortgages who have been laid off and forced to take payment holidays . Some of us had mortgage rates go up to 15 odd percent and many had houses repossessed ( not me ) these ain’t choices it’s life
You’re very rude and obviously very bitter with life and the choices that you have made, no I am not exactly sat in a council flat as you suggest but all of you’re bitterness aside, I do not have to justify my life choices to the likes of you. I studied for what I have and have worked all of my life in a good position, people like you just think you are owed a living and everyone who has made anything of their life is somehow had it given on a plate. If I fail at anything then that is not for the lack of trying. Thanks for telling me you hope life bites me in the ■■■, all I would expect from someone who does nothing for himself, I hope life doesn’t bite you in your ■■■ on the same note but then I am not a jealous person, as for my original reply, I do not know of anyone in their fifty’s and sixty’s who need to work extended hours for the money. It is not needed or expected of anyone in this age group. You will no doubt say you know lots, well I don’t and it certainly is not the norm.
tmcassett:
If Dozy and UKtramp really are 2 separate people then they are aren’t doing a very good job of convincing everyone based on their identical back to back posts above making the exact same point but written in different styles.
I just give them/him the benefit of the doubt, just in the spirit of keeping the forum going with conversation and points.
Tbh I’m sick of all this double Id outing crap, the only time I jump on the bandwagon is if some obnoxious 2hat tries to give me forum grief in both or all of his id s, …I always seem to attract that type for some reason, hence the signature at the bottom (it’s a talent of mine on here )
If they are/he is, or is not the same person I don’t really give a one anymore tbh. …let them/him (or her, there’s a curveball for you ) crack on either way.
Last time I am going to say this, I do not have any other login, user ID or otherwise on here, I am tired of hearing it to be honest as it simply is not the case. If I agree with someone or someone agrees with me, amazingly that is by sheer coincidence. It doesn’t mean that is me agreeing with myself. I do not care if anyone agrees or not with me, my thoughts, posts, replies etc are my own. I do not need to invent someone in order for me to get someone who thinks the same… It doesn’t bothers me in the slightest what others on here think otherwise I wouldn’t say half of what I do!!! End of rant, carry on.
UKtramp:
I will take this response as you don’t agree then, I started feathering my nest many years ago as I was sensible…
Thus implying that anyone who isn’t financially secure in later life is somehow inherently reckless or less intelligent than you.
UKtramp:
You’re life pans out to you’re own choices and decisions…
No. Many, many people experience a variety of unexpected and unfortunate events that bear little relation to choices they have made.
UKtramp:
I fail to see how anyone in their fifty’s can say that they need more hours.
No secret to being financially secure, but you have to have been sensible to begin with.
Your failures of imagination, relevant experience & empathy are yours alone, and do you no credit, though you seem too smug to care how offensive your attitude is.
I’ve never noticed your UKTramp posts before, though I have seen Dozy receiving regular comments and know how generically unpopular this character is. I don’t normally bother with this kind of argy-bargy, but your attitude is fairly reprehensible; the epitome of I’m-all-right-jack, and deserves all the contempt it has been received with.
Zac_A:
Your failures of imagination, relevant experience & empathy are yours alone, and do you no credit, though you seem too smug to care how offensive your attitude is.
I’ve never noticed your UKTramp posts before, though I have seen Dozy receiving regular comments and know how generically unpopular this character is. I don’t normally bother with this kind of argy-bargy, but your attitude is fairly reprehensible; the epitome of I’m-all-right-jack, and deserves all the contempt it has been received with.
I think you are reading far too much into this, where have I stated that I am far more intelligent? I am alright jack? No idea what you are on but I am merely pointing out that someone of a certain age in usual circumstances will be better off than a young lad starting out. I am failing to see the contempt of my comment and also where I am stating that I am better than anyone? I am pointing out that I have been sensible in my younger years and I am sure that I am not the only one who has, I actually have a friend that is quite poor and not in the best financial state through bankruptcy, he doesn’t moan about it and is trying to better his situation not sat ranting that I am better than he is. or somehow my sense of getting a big mortgage whilst young was a mistake. No and on the same note I am not saying that anyone who is not in my position is a loser either. Merely pointing out that if you are a risk taker whilst young then it is the most sensible time to do it. When I had my fathers business handed over to me I had responsibility’s that made me work hard and long hours, I do not have to now. Nothing to be ashamed of is there?
Zac_A:
Your failures of imagination, relevant experience & empathy are yours alone, and do you no credit, though you seem too smug to care how offensive your attitude is.
I’ve never noticed your UKTramp posts before, though I have seen Dozy receiving regular comments and know how generically unpopular this character is. I don’t normally bother with this kind of argy-bargy, but your attitude is fairly reprehensible; the epitome of I’m-all-right-jack, and deserves all the contempt it has been received with.
I think you are reading far too much into this, where have I stated that I am far more intelligent? I am alright jack? No idea what you are on but I am merely pointing out that someone of a certain age in usual circumstances will be better off than a young lad starting out. I am failing to see the contempt of my comment and also where I am stating that I am better than anyone? I am pointing out that I have been sensible in my younger years and I am sure that I am not the only one who has, I actually have a friend that is quite poor and not in the best financial state through bankruptcy, he doesn’t moan about it and is trying to better his situation not sat ranting that I am better than he is. or somehow my sense of getting a big mortgage whilst young was a mistake. No and on the same note I am not saying that anyone who is not in my position is a loser either. Merely pointing out that if you are a risk taker whilst young then it is the most sensible time to do it. When I had my fathers business handed over to me I had responsibility’s that made me work hard and long hours, I do not have to now. Nothing to be ashamed of is there?
blue estate:
On the face of it looks good
Class One Tramping Work Based out of Nantwich, Chesire.
Monday the 15th of June Start Date
Driving Assessments held on the 12th of June.
Maxing out fortnightly driving hours.
Nights out Paid
Breaks Paid
PAYE Drivers Only.
Between £2,200 - 2,500 Monthly Take Home Pay
If interested please call
Sent while in furlough but not for long
I’m always wary of firms who pay breaks right through.
You get one of two scenarios.
They expect you to work right through them.
You get thick and stupid drivers who gladly work right through, justifying it by saying… ‘‘Well they pay us right through anyway, so what’s the difference’’.
Also maxing out as a compulsory routine would put me off, who tf in their right mind wants to do all that crap anymore.
Thanks but no thanks for me, before I even look at the rate, it’s got ‘Ran ragged endurance test’’ written all over it.
This is what you side-step insisting on a 4-shift per week contract…
If you have 4 shifts written in, then 15+15+15+13 is the most run-ragged you’ll ever be - right?
…Rather than Monday-Friday officially 5x10 hours that ends up being 3x15 and 2x13 hours, dead beat by Thursday Morning driving home around the M25…
dozy:
i find it laughable , the vast majority of drivers are 50 / 60 so w t f are you bothered about
Money , as I’ve said before , wages should be pocket money , surely mortgages are finished , kids left home , no debts etc etc when your in your 50 / 60 ,s , what have all these 50 + drivers been doing to still be bothered about money
Mind i worked with a bloke who didn’t talk for a week because years ago I got asked to do a run on a Saturday & he didn’t , he was in his 60 ,s
Just remember all you money obsessed people , you can’t take it with you !!!
I don’t believe it is “age” that puts one on a side or the other regarding past ages gone, but rather if one got a mortgage pre or post “Credit Crunch.”
Is there anyone around these days who’s got a mortgage from say, 2009 onwards who is ever likely to own their house now?
Usually, being 11 years into a 25 year mortgage would have seen a good chunk of it already paid off.
Not so these days though.
I suspect that the last generation to be able to own their own properties among ordinary working class people - are those about to retire right now…?
Banks are currently raising rates on credit cards and other consumer debt forms, where people are presumably expected to re-mortgage yet again to pay down that expensive debt flipping it over into secured debt upon their properties, now unlikely to ever be paid off now that wages have fallen so far behind in real terms this past decade of austerity.
It is always easier to moan about “money grubbers” when one is not short oneself.
As for those already renting - well they won’t be leaving much for their kids either anymore - will they?
blue estate:
On the face of it looks good
Class One Tramping Work Based out of Nantwich, Chesire.
Monday the 15th of June Start Date
Driving Assessments held on the 12th of June.
Maxing out fortnightly driving hours.
Nights out Paid
Breaks Paid
PAYE Drivers Only.
Between £2,200 - 2,500 Monthly Take Home Pay
If interested please call
Sent while in furlough but not for long
I’m always wary of firms who pay breaks right through.
You get one of two scenarios.
They expect you to work right through them.
You get thick and stupid drivers who gladly work right through, justifying it by saying… ‘‘Well they pay us right through anyway, so what’s the difference’’.
Also maxing out as a compulsory routine would put me off, who tf in their right mind wants to do all that crap anymore.
Thanks but no thanks for me, before I even look at the rate, it’s got ‘Ran ragged endurance test’’ written all over it.
This is what you side-step insisting on a 4-shift per week contract…
If you have 4 shifts written in, then 15+15+15+13 is the most run-ragged you’ll ever be - right?
…Rather than Monday-Friday officially 5x10 hours that ends up being 3x15 and 2x13 hours, dead beat by Thursday Morning driving home around the M25…
When I say ‘ran ragged’ I mean pushed to the limits, phone ringing all the time, and pressuring you, and not in the context of doing a 15 hour shift.
You can do a hard 15, or a relatively easy one, although I still think 15 hour days are too long in this day and age
I have done a 15 hour shift today, own choice so that lifes a bit easier tomorrow when I turn back around…and because it was pointless going to one of my usual stops for a night out, as nowhere is open.
In that 15 I’ve spoken to the office once, and that was to get re.load details for tomorrow after getting tipped, and me ringing them…not once was I (or am I ever) hounded.
As I’ve said many a time before, I don’t mind doing 15 hour shifts - but in isolation, not as a calorie-controlled work pattern.
I also don’t mind doing the occasional night out - but again, as a one-off in isolation for the needs of the operation, NOT as some kind of planned cheap labour thing.
All this rubbish about people chasing “night out money of £28” for effectively 9-11 hours in your cab otherwise unpaid - would seem to be the wrong side of “recognizing value” unless they are single young folk with not much of a home and/or family life to go home to each night, making such nights out “no skin off their noses”… What was that guy last month who was dropping a trailer on it’s knees in some hissy-fit 'cos his guvnor wouldn’t authorize the hallowed £28 night out money? FFS you can get that kind of money being stuck at the dartford crossing for a couple of hours whilst working for many a supermarket or RM even…
Doing 1-4 shifts still leaves one open to do 3x15 if one wants. If a firm MUST insist you do 5 shifts per week, then some topside limitation on the hours - might be in order.
Perhaps “no more than 10 hours”, which is the deal one seems as a local agreement at some places.
That would be where agencies ending up doing all the shifts OVER ten hours of course, at least on nights…
Me? - I prefer less commutes and the longer shifts. I found out the hard way some years ago that “short shifts at distance” - just didn’t pay, even with the illusion of “travel expenses” which I later ended up having to pay back to HMRC 'cos the agency wasn’t correct in authorizing such expenses. Now I adopt the Mentored Model where I end up with more cash in my pocket by wasting less net pay, rather than earning a higher gross pay, only to lose a big wedge of it in tax & NI.
It’ll be interesting to see how firms get either full timers or even agency bods to do the longer shifts now that the higher rate, higher pressure work environments have been disrupted by the lockdown.
Full timers are surely going to want to at least lean towards having gone home by 10 hoursbecause they are having to work the five shifts?
How are John Lewis drivers getting on? - Or Fedex/Yodel/RM/Hermes come to that?
I still continue to see mothballed palletliners in deserted bits of business estate yards where I’ve been going of late…
chester1:
I think you are full of crap you are probably sat there typing from the 10th floor of your cat [zb] council mansion. Life is not always about choice No matter how clever you think you are hopefully one day life will jump up and bite you on the arse and you will forever regret gloating those words . Even this pandemic will probably add years to a lot of people’s mortgages who have been laid off and forced to take payment holidays . Some of us had mortgage rates go up to 15 odd percent and many had houses repossessed ( not me ) these ain’t choices it’s life
You’re very rude and obviously very bitter with life and the choices that you have made, no I am not exactly sat in a council flat as you suggest but all of you’re bitterness aside, I do not have to justify my life choices to the likes of you. I studied for what I have and have worked all of my life in a good position, people like you just think you are owed a living and everyone who has made anything of their life is somehow had it given on a plate. If I fail at anything then that is not for the lack of trying. Thanks for telling me you hope life bites me in the ■■■, all I would expect from someone who does nothing for himself, I hope life doesn’t bite you in your ■■■ on the same note but then I am not a jealous person, as for my original reply, I do not know of anyone in their fifty’s and sixty’s who need to work extended hours for the money. It is not needed or expected of anyone in this age group. You will no doubt say you know lots, well I don’t and it certainly is not the norm.
And why would I be bitter . I don’t need to chase the hours I’m comfortable in my own although small home 2 year old car brought out right and always had bikes up until last year . Just hate smug people like you trying to make others feel ■■■■ about there lot and assuming other people’s lives are or have been strait forward. We all know your sort in the waiting rooms boasting about this and that and boring the arse of anyone in earshot
chester1:
And why would I be bitter . I don’t need to chase the hours I’m comfortable in my own although small home 2 year old car brought out right and always had bikes up until last year . Just hate smug people like you trying to make others feel [zb] about there lot and assuming other people’s lives are or have been strait forward. We all know your sort in the waiting rooms boasting about this and that and boring the arse of anyone in earshot
My word just listen to you, you are just reinforcing exactly what I had said, you’re not very good with the insults by the way, if you are going to dance with the devil, at least learn the moves. You sound very smug to me by you’re statement although I suspect foul play here and do not believe you otherwise why on earth would you be so bitter and twisted to begin with, life has dealt you a bad hand but it is you that has played it so, get over it. If I could have a pound given for every time I hear a loser say that, I would be a whole lot richer than I am now. You see I studied at school and went on to University etc, etc. So I am not bitter or twisted and blaming everyone for the way that my life has turned out. If you feel crap because my life is better than you’res, I am not going to drag myself down to you’re level just because I am a success. Instead of being so bitter, try following my recipe and do something with you’re life. Look at it this way, in 50 years from now, nobody will even know who you were let alone that you even existed. My family will not forget me for generations as I have had a portrait done of me which will hang on the wall for all to see. It is a family tradition to get these done, just little tip for you.
you are well known on here for maxing hours out regularly.
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…let them/him (or her, there’s a curveball for you 