Forkies from the Black Lagoon

Hi people, I’m back with another Newbie scenario in my long journey into the trials and tribulations of being a trucker!
(No DipperDave, tribulations, not tribbing! :smiley:)

As last week, I had the misfortune to meet creatures alien to me in my 44 years on this planet! :open_mouth:

I was sent to pick up a HazChem pallet from another haulier, and after doing the admin in the office which included checking my ADR licence, I was given the paperwork to take down to the forklift drivers. So i went back to the truck, opened the curtain, then wandered over to the warehouse and stood for a few minutes only to then be told that i should wait by the wagon, and the forkies would come to me. Excellent I thought, a bit like a waiter service then! :laughing: So after about 10 minutes of standing there with the curtain open, a forkie duly arrived, grunted motioned in a way which i assumed to be a request for the paperwork. So I handed it to him & off he sped without another grunt. Another 5 minutes later, out of the warehouse he speeds with a pallet of about 20 plastic buckets of flammable liquids, that looked like the resulting stack at the end of a game of Jenga. But that wasn’t that really caught my attention, it was the 2 missing blocks of the 3 on one side of the pallet, and god only knows where the baseboard for that side was… So I attempted to stop the forkie and draw his attention to the broken unsafe pallet. But the forkie completely ignored me and loaded the pallet pushing it up against a load I was yet to deliver for support, so I’m thinking to myself he already knows the pallet is knackered and using my existing load to hold it up. So now i voiced my objection a little more strenuously, and stated that I couldn’t take it on a pallet like that, and needed the ability to move the pallet around as needed for my remaining deliveries. But Mr forkie wasn’t best pleased with me being a problem “client” and made his annoyance abundantly clear in a somewhat metaphorically gesticulating act of throwing his toys from his forklift. By now I was becoming a little confused and concerned by his verbal and stroppy overreaction to my stated concerns, and to try and be helpful, I stated that I needed 2 blocks that were preferably still attached to a baseboard. But yet again the forkies reaction surprised me, as even this seemed to be to much, and he added weight to his objections saying that his company was doing mine a favour somehow in this pallet movement. So by now I was amazed, and was thinking; what was the business manager doing driving the forklift looking like he hadn’t washed himself or his clothes for months? :open_mouth: But I have to hand it to him, as his acting was perfect and he’d nailed the loutish tone restricted to a vocabulary of no more than 2 syllables, with 50% of them being an obscenity. But back to the story, and I have to admit that I was a little dubious about this situation being a “favour” considering the admin that I’d already done, so harded my stance and said i wanted a pallet to put under the knackered, but repaired pallet. As I was now also realising that having to reset the blocks if/when I needed to move the pallet was going to be a pain. After another outbursts of tourettes and seizures from the forkie, I was somewhat gleefully informed that a pallet was going to cost me £5. By now I was getting bored of being shocked, as it occurred to me that when one logistics company hands on a consignment to another, it should be in a fit condition. So after gazing around the yards at literally hundreds, if not thousands of pallets in various states of decay, i told the forkie Neanderthal that I better phone my office.

After relying the situation, I was told I’d be called back, and less than 10 mins later the phone rings and I’m asked if i have a fiver! :open_mouth: My office contact was laughing as he asked, and sounded to me a little frustrated by the need to pay £5 for a pallet, or maybe this is standard procedure, I don’t really know. But one thing is for sure was that I wouldn’t be handing £5 to the forkie, and was relieved to me told that I needed to do this in the office and get a proper official receipt for the company records. So off I trotted, and once i’d spent 10 tediously boring minutes standing at the desk, one of the admin staff reluctantly came over to deal with me! And almost instantaneously the task of dealing with this was passed from admin person, to admin person. Yet it was all in slow motion, almost like a scene from The Matrix! :smiley: By now I knew that forkie Neanderthal was going to drag his heels as well as his knuckles, and asked the last in the chain of admin staff, who’s going to deal with this. As by now a couple of unwashed vagrants were also inhabiting the office area, so I made the requisition on the assumption that these were more company forkies. And I was proved correct in my assumption, as Neanderthal number 2 was appointed to the task. This filled me with hope of progress, as this specimen appeared more lucid, and maybe looking like a tramp was just a hobby to him. So as we were in segregated areas, I trundled back off the the truck to wait for the second primate that had possibly washed this month, to arrive. Within minutes he’s whizzing around the warehouse and proceeds to load a couple of trucks. Obviously the penny had dropped that this Einstein is a splenetic copy of Neanderthal 1, and attempting to wind me up by being spiteful, and waste my time. :unamused: So I gave it a while longer just to confirm my suspicious, and then rang the office to make them aware of the game being played. Plus I thought it was probably a good idea to let them know about this problem/game, and give some justification if I came back later with undelivered loads. Anyway, I’m told by my office that they will call the other management office, and then get back to me. So I waited another 15-20 minutes and wandered over to the management office, and for once things seem to go at normal speed! :open_mouth: A office bod put on a Hi-Viz and made there way over asking on the way “Haven’t you been loaded yet?” And it was almost as if he knew the answer before asking! :smiley: And surprise surprise, as the office bod and I get near the truck, forkie rolls up with lets say, a well seasoned pallet, which most would call ■■■■■■■ But it was in one piece and therefore technically a pallet, so i just got on with it and didn’t give forkie Einstein the benefit of any acknowledgement with regard to his selection.

And the reason I’m calling him forkie Einstein, is because he’s probably too dim to work out that I’m paid by the hour! :smiley: Yet I was fully aware that I was sat on my arse earning while doing nothing, plus also taking up space in their yard, making their own drivers lives more difficult… Also at the same time, I was aware that I needed to show due diligence, and keep my company informed of what was occurring. So I wasn’t going to let primate Einstein wind me up, and polity asked that we put the broken pallet on top of the antique pallet, and hope the woodworm holds. Forkie seems to understand and gestures in a way which could be perceived as a twitch, if it wasn’t for the coinciding timing of these, and proceeds to take the Jenga stack off my wagon and goes to put it on the Tate Modern distressed masterpiece of a pallet, and I’m thinking what about the 2 missing blocks to support that corner and side? But no, forkie had other ideas and choose some very choice words when I stated that the purpose of putting Pallet A on Pallet B, was to make the load more pallet truck friendly, and in such, I needed the 2 missing blocks of Pallet A as well. After I’d been told to ■■■■■■■■ go away forkie Einstein, he sped off to the pile of dying pallets that Pallet B was soon destined to reside, and probably only did so because office bod was stood there. Upon Einsteins return, he places the blocks, picks up the bottom pallet and we are loaded! :smiley: And I even got to specify where i wanted it this time! :laughing:

I proceeded to attempt to secure my messy stack of plastic 20l tubs that are stacking in a completely non-uniform arrangement, and relied on plastic banding with a thin shrinkwrap to keep it together. But what worried me was the softness and pliability of the tubs, so attempting to band a load like that, I’d expect the banding not to stay tight as the load could deform. and thought the thin shrinkwrap was probably doing more to hold it all together than the banding… And as this ADR load was now balanced on 2 pallets, I didn’t want to take any chances. :smiley: So to secure the load I attempted to use the what I perceive to be, the next to useless and weaker duplication of the curtain straps, which in my truck is a central high level tube with straps hanging down and attaching, normally in exactly the same spots as the curtain straps! :imp: So I used 3 of these internal straps around the load, securing either side and over the top of the load. And then I used a normal ratchet strap to do 2 loops around the base level of tubs encompassing the internal straps as well, in an attempt to lock the load to that side of the truck in 2 corners. So maybe these internal straps can be useful! :open_mouth:

By now I’d spent/wasted so much time at this transport company, I didn’t get to complete all of my remaining deliveries, and the ones I did didn’t require me moving this load anyway! :laughing: So when I rolled back into the depot at the end of the day to be off loaded, the transport manager was on the forks along with a couple of other forkies, as we were obviously short of forkies and had lots of trucks to offload. And when i pulled the curtain back to reveal my masterpiece of strapping on the Jenga stack, the transport manager burst out laughing, and I’m not entirely certain why! :confused: Maybe he was laughing at the load stacked on 2 pallets, or maybe because I’d strapped the crap out of it! :smiley: I later found out that he’d heard about my fun and games at the other logistics company, but as I doubted he knew the full story, I’m still not certain he wasn’t laughing at my over engineering! :smiley: But as a Newbie, I’d rather be safe than sorry, and didn’t/don’t even know that paying £5 for a knackered pallet, was normal procedure or not… However when I presented him with the receipt for said pallet, he did seem to indicate to me that this wasn’t normal procedure, and the other logistics company were being a bunch of dicks!!! :laughing: And I think he might of swore as well! :wink:

So the reason for my story is really to guage what others would have done, and did I do the right thing in standing my ground and not taking what in my opinion was un unsafe load, that DVSA would have loved to see and dish out a fine over.

Thanks for reading people, and you can WAKE UP NOW!!! :grimacing:

P.S. These are the only forkies I’ve had an issue with so far, as all the others I’ve dealt with have been absolutely fine. Yes some are grumpy, some are happy and some are devoid of any personality. But they have all got on with the job, and done what they are paid to do. So I’m struggling to understand how or why this transport company allows its forkies to behave in such a manner, be so abuse to people & clearly waste the companies time and money? :confused: And when i told another “old hand” driver at my firm about the experience, I didn’t even have to say what company this happened at, he knew instantly! :open_mouth: And for that reason I’m choosing not to name them, as I’d like to know if this company in the central southern area of Hampshire are notorious■■?

You’ll get more of those the longer you do this job. Most places I go have great forkies, some more talkative than others. The best ones are from GT Precision in Peterlee. They will tip and restack my truck if I ask them too and are a good crack to talk too! Next time I’m down Soton way I’ll keep an eye out for you!

Pleased to see you took my advice on ‘strapping the crap’ out of your load! If in doubt, add another strap!
As for the rest of your adventure, I think you did the right thing. You kept your office informed, insisted the loading was to your satisfaction and , most importantly, remembered you were on hourly pay, thus enabling yourself to remain 300 (like the romans).
Now stop faffing man and start driving a proper lorry! :grimacing:

You did nothing wrong mate, you always get these type of pricks wherever you go. They are used to drivers not having a minute to spare so they try and play on it to ■■■■ you off. The best way to deal with them when you get the old ‘you will have to wait driver’ or if you see they are deliberately on a go slow, is to appear to not give a ■■■■ about anything in life ( even if you in Fri pm/last ferry home/on a promise/totally desperate/ wanting to thump him mode) and either sit with your feet on steering wheel reading paper, or better still say ‘‘yeh not a problem mate, in no hurry, off for a kip give me a knock whenever’’ this totally throws these batsards, and they don’t know how to deal with it as they are used to flapping drivers.
I’ll guarantee they will be round to tip you in 5 mins.
Also you can’t lose even if they are particularly arsey, because you are on hourly rate, and if you ring in, as you did, everybody’s happy
As for the dodgy pallet, you done right, strapped up and avoided a potential collapse, but I would have looked around the pallet pack for a couple of blocks and timbers and saved a fiver,… but as I keep telling you,
…You have a long way to go before you become as good as me :wink: :laughing:

Radar19:
I’ll keep an eye out for you!

Cheers pal, and is that so I don’t crash into you? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Evil8Beezle:

Radar19:
I’ll keep an eye out for you!

Cheers pal, and is that so I don’t crash into you? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I think its more the other way around :open_mouth:

I might be wrong in saying this and shoot me down in flames for it if I am wrong, but I think its every drivers right to refuse goods being loads on to his wagon the pallets are stacked like jenga or the pallet is busted…

Cheers Cavey & Robroy :smiley:

I was getting annoyed and a bit flustered, but that I put down to being a Newbie and not being 100% what the crack should be, hence why I posted my experience and asked for feedback. Yes I probably should have wandered over to the pile of broken pallets and grabbed a couple of blocks. But I think I was somewhat in shock from the attitude and behavior of forkie 1. And I wasn’t certain he would even lift the pallet for me to insert the blocks even if I’d been and got some. I also forgot to mention that as he didn’t put the pallet where I wanted it (Back a little so I could get to my remaining loads with a pallet truck) he also put the pallet down on top of my internal straps! :smiling_imp: So I have to admit that I was a bit shell shocked, bewildered, and angry all at the same time, but I wasn’t going to show him I was getting my ■■■■■■■ in a bunch! :laughing:

Also while I was waiting in the cab for him, I ensured I just stared into space and was only even watching him out the corner of my eye, as I wasn’t going to give him any satisfaction… But what i really wanted to do was pallet truck the load off the back, leave it in their yard and drive out! :grimacing: But I knew i couldn’t, no matter how satisfying it would be, as I’m paid to do what my company wants, and as I long as I keep them in the loop and do what I’m told, I can’t be wrong or blamed later. So yes, I need to spot & recognize straight away these sorts of games, and behave as you suggest Robroy. Because at the end of the day it is a childish game, and in reality the forkie can’t win, as it’s only ever more pay for me for doing nothing! :smiley:

Yes Cavey, I’ll be getting that licence soon!
But I’m glad for the VAN expereince, as I think I’ve learnt a lot and improved my skills immensely since passing my test, and these can only help when I take a shot at Class 1. But for the moment I’m finding I have enough to think about when maneuvering, and don’t need the added problems/consideration of a headboard hanging a few feet over the side…
Although I do think an Artic, probably has a better turning circle than my VAN! :smiley:

Oh i enjoyed that, love your style of writing Evil.

Yes miserable weirdos can be found everywhere, invariably its one or two obnoxious ones that influence their hero worshipping oppos, something i can’t get me head around why weak ineffectual management don’t sort (weed) those few cretins out soon as they show their true colours and before they infect the rest of the crew.

Similar to Robroy, with that type i let it be known they’re doing me a favour by making the job last, get the window cleaning stuff and the wheel polish out etc etc make a nice cuppa and place it somewhere convenient beside said cleaning stuff and then get stuck in (or rather pretend to if its not your style), they’ll make some chimp like noises which passes for ■■■■ taking in their own primitive language but won’t be able to load you quickly enough cos they have an undeniable fetish for messing people about.

Swampey2418:
I might be wrong in saying this and shoot me down in flames for it if I am wrong, but I think its every drivers right to refuse goods being loads on to his wagon the pallets are stacked like jenga or the pallet is busted…

I was also thinking this, as this load was passed to us through the HazChem network, and I assume this is what is termed a palletised delivery network. So part or post of a pallet is technically not a pallet. So in handover to us, I really couldn’t understand how this broken pallet was our problem and not theirs? :neutral_face:

Juddian:
Oh i enjoyed that, love your style of writing Evil.

Yes miserable weirdos can be found everywhere, invariably its one or two obnoxious ones that influence their hero worshipping oppos, something i can’t get me head around why weak ineffectual management don’t sort (weed) those few cretins out soon as they show their true colours and before they infect the rest of the crew.

Similar to Robroy, with that type i let it be known they’re doing me a favour by making the job last, get the window cleaning stuff and the wheel polish out etc etc make a nice cuppa and place it somewhere convenient beside said cleaning stuff and then get stuck in (or rather pretend to if its not your style), they’ll make some chimp like noises which passes for ■■■■ taking in their own primitive language but won’t be able to load you quickly enough cos they have an undeniable fetish for messing people about.

Thanks Juddian, I do think if you’re expecting someone to read something you have a duty to try and make it a bit entertaining, or at least try! :smiley: But I really struggled with the grammar of it, and it’s still not great… But I’m so bloody tired at the present, I’m finding it really hard work! :laughing: (yes, I’m a ■■■■■!!! :grimacing:)

I’ll have to get some window cleaner for the VAN, but doubt the company will provide a set. And I’m also expected to be laughed at when i ask for some spray lube for my box of ratchet straps, as they are as dry as a… (fill the rest in yourself!)

I’d agree that this sort of behavior is the work of the few that proliferates through, and they should be weeded out ASAP. But I’m getting the feedback & feeling that this company has a long history of this behavior, and it’s turned into something of cult thing with them! :open_mouth: And a bit like a Chinese restaurant I was taken to by a mate in London, that purposely has bad service, as my mate was amused by this! :laughing:

Sounds like you did the right thing, collected the load and secured it which is the important part. From time to time occasions arise where it appears those around us are going out of their way to ■■■■ us off. Which usually they are.

As you did always keep office informed and you can always reject the load but only after covering ones arse and ensuring all avenues of ingenuity have been exhausted.

Back in the days when ropes where the norm I have creatively secured many a dodgy pallet, stillage…learn the art of the dolly knot it can be a lifesaver.

But most importantly did you get chance to watch any tribbing whilst being mucked about, im currently into ■■■■ tribbing vids myself which are great. My moto in these situations is “if in doubt ■■■■ comes out”. To be fair though thats my general life mantra and prolly why im banned from the krypton factor.

Swampey2418:
I might be wrong in saying this and shoot me down in flames for it if I am wrong, but I think its every drivers right to refuse goods being loads on to his wagon the pallets are stacked like jenga or the pallet is busted…

I tend to agree with you, especially as the Forkies were of the Neanderthal Tribe. My understanding is that any Hazardous Consignment should be packed properly, not leaking & be able to withstand normal handling technics, a dodgy pallet of ‘Jenga’ Flammable Products doesn’t sound too safe to me, so I would have refused it & informed the office, then waited for instructions, be it five minutes or five hours.
No way would I have paid the forwarder £5 for a pallet, they should have refused it when it was received into their depot (if it was damaged then).
My office would have probably moved me on & left the goods/pallet with the Numpty Company, until they sorted it out.

Having said all that, if they were ok & worked with me/transferred the goods on to a decent pallet then shrunk/cling filmed it (without charging me) I would have been quite happy.

Dipper_Dave:
Sounds like you did the right thing, collected the load and secured it which is the important part. From time to time occasions arise where it appears those around us are going out of their way to ■■■■ us off. Which usually they are.

As you did always keep office informed and you can always reject the load but only after covering ones arse and ensuring all avenues of ingenuity have been exhausted.

Back in the days when ropes where the norm I have creatively secured many a dodgy pallet, stillage…learn the art of the dolly knot it can be a lifesaver.

But most importantly did you get chance to watch any tribbing whilst being mucked about, im currently into ■■■■ tribbing vids myself which are great. My moto in these situations is “if in doubt ■■■■ comes out”. To be fair though thats my general life mantra and prolly why im banned from the krypton factor.

Thanks for confirm the advice as other have, and don’t worry, I can tie a dolly and about 25 other knots, as for my sins I was a sea scout in my youth! :blush: Who knew they would come in so handy now for my bedroom ■■■ antics! :smiley: No I didn’t get to watch any ■■■■, and definitely didn’t follow your manta, as I don’t have any curtains. But I get the feeling you don’t bother closing yours! :open_mouth:

martinviking:

Swampey2418:
I might be wrong in saying this and shoot me down in flames for it if I am wrong, but I think its every drivers right to refuse goods being loads on to his wagon the pallets are stacked like jenga or the pallet is busted…

I tend to agree with you, especially as the Forkies were of the Neanderthal Tribe. My understanding is that any Hazardous Consignment should be packed properly, not leaking & be able to withstand normal handling technics, a dodgy pallet of ‘Jenga’ Flammable Products doesn’t sound too safe to me, so I would have refused it & informed the office, then waited for instructions, be it five minutes or five hours.
No way would I have paid the forwarder £5 for a pallet, they should have refused it when it was received into their depot (if it was damaged then).
My office would have probably moved me on & left the goods/pallet with the Numpty Company, until they sorted it out.

Having said all that, if they were ok & worked with me/transferred the goods on to a decent pallet then shrunk/cling filmed it (without charging me) I would have been quite happy.

I agree completly, and what I can’t get my head around is that it felt like the forkies were in charge, and the management were somehow subservient, or happy for the forkies to be that way. :confused:

Sounds like a great experience you had there, lots more to come lol

Forgot to say. It’s obvious you’re a newbie, a seasoned trucker would have changed the fiver invoice into a tenner :laughing: :laughing:

robroy:
Forgot to say. It’s obvious you’re a newbie, a seasoned trucker would have changed the fiver invoice into a tenner :laughing: :laughing:

LOL, I bet it’s been done! :smiley:

And I’m trying to become a seasoned trucker, as now I’ve brought some window cleaner! :smiley:
So I’ll be ready next time! :wink:

Evil8Beezle:

robroy:
Forgot to say. It’s obvious you’re a newbie, a seasoned trucker would have changed the fiver invoice into a tenner :laughing: :laughing:

LOL, I bet it’s been done! :smiley:

And I’m trying to become a seasoned trucker, as now I’ve brought some window cleaner! :smiley:
So I’ll be ready next time! :wink:

Use it with newspaper on your mirrors, they come up so good you can see your face in them!

Captain Caveman 76:

Evil8Beezle:

robroy:
Forgot to say. It’s obvious you’re a newbie, a seasoned trucker would have changed the fiver invoice into a tenner :laughing: :laughing:

LOL, I bet it’s been done! :smiley:

And I’m trying to become a seasoned trucker, as now I’ve brought some window cleaner! :smiley:
So I’ll be ready next time! :wink:

Use it with newspaper on your mirrors, they come up so good you can see your face in them!

What mirrors? :open_mouth: - I got shot of last of those on Friday! :grimacing:

But seriously I’ll give that a go pal, as my mother always swore that! :smiley:
Although I never saw her do any housework, that was the labourers, I mean kids jobs! :smiling_imp:

giv tha pallet a kick and say it collapsed