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I notice they say that British trucks will also have to pay the fee but can claim it back through road tax due to Euro rules. Surely the fees paid over a year is going to cost more than road tax, so haulers are going to be out of pocket on this stupid ruling.
why not charge foreign registered trucks when they come of the ferry they need to look at how other countries do it and some one else said elswere limit the amount of fuel they can bring in its about time the goverment looked after us
davhems:
why not charge foreign registered trucks when they come of the ferry they need to look at how other countries do it and some one else said elswere limit the amount of fuel they can bring in its about time the goverment looked after us
A fuel limit would be a better bet. £10 per day to a foreign haulier is a drop in the ocean compared to the savings they make by running here with tanks full of their cheap diesel. They stand to make £20m per year from daily charges. How is that going to benefit the government or British hauliers exactly?
davhems:
why not charge foreign registered trucks when they come of the ferry they need to look at how other countries do it and some one else said elswere limit the amount of fuel they can bring in its about time the goverment looked after us
They have looked how other Countries do it, you either pay per mile Germany, Austria or buy a daily tax Benelux, Hungary, or have plenty of toll roads France, Italy.
Tax for Benelux is €8 per day that about a £5, I think Hungary was about £15 per day, although I think there are reductions for buying a block of time and the trucks registered in those countries also have to pay their domestic tolls.
This story seems to raise it’s ugly head every year or so, but never seems to get any further, it was supposed to be one of the actions the government was going to take after the fuel protest in 2000.
muckles:
davhems:
why not charge foreign registered trucks when they come of the ferry they need to look at how other countries do it and some one else said elswere limit the amount of fuel they can bring in its about time the goverment looked after usThey have looked how other Countries do it, you either pay per mile Germany, Austria or buy a daily tax Benelux, Hungary, or have plenty of toll roads France, Italy.
Tax for Benelux is €8 per day that about a £5, I think Hungary was about £15 per day, although I think there are reductions for buying a block of time and the trucks registered in those countries also have to pay their domestic tolls.This story seems to raise it’s ugly head every year or so, but never seems to get any further, it was supposed to be one of the actions the government was going to take after the fuel protest in 2000.
i think there saying 2015 now how are they going to collect it knowing our goverment it will be a farce a go box system would work well
They should be issued a ticket at the port/train. When they get back to port/train. They should be charged for however long they were over. With a minimum of £10 per day or minimum mileage fee.
I agree with the fuel limit, but anything is better than nothing, but £10 is just over a gallon of fuel, seriously, a decent driver could save more than that in a day anyway, a ■■■■ driver would cost you more than that, so it’s a very minor expense in the scheme of things.
As of yesterday, average diesel prices (in euro’s to keep it easy) were: UK 1.71 per litre, France 1.40 per litre.
So, 30c per litre saving on a 800 - 1000 litre tank, £10 = around 12 euro’s 35 ish. 12 euro’s 35 / 30c = approx 40 litres…
So, 40 litres bought abroad would save £10, but they’re bringing in 20 times that - which I make a rough saving of £190 per tank after charges…
Hmm, thanks Dave, better than nowt, but seriously, not a drop in the ocean mate.
bigvern1:
They should be issued a ticket at the port/train. When they get back to port/train. They should be charged for however long they were over. With a minimum of £10 per day or minimum mileage fee.
Similar to the Swiss system…
I think the best system would be the daily vignette, currently used in the Benelux countries, Scandinavia, Poland, Bulgaria, etc.
damoq:
A fuel limit would be a better bet. £10 per day to a foreign haulier is a drop in the ocean compared to the savings they make by running here with tanks full of their cheap diesel. They stand to make £20m per year from daily charges. How is that going to benefit the government or British hauliers exactly?
But that wont be practical. Say, I am in Callais, I just fueled up to go for my collection for a run to Spain, but they call me “that job is cancelled, go to Dover you got load from there”. And I have full tanks and all I use is five litres from ferry and back…
They couldnt do the diesal limit as of all the wu rulings
and because of eu law we have to pay whatever they bring in aswell
The same when the eurovignette came in the dutch/belgiums knocked the extra cost off the price of there
normal roadtax so in effect they paid the same
What happens here i have a euro 5 with rpc so £700 tax
does that mean when i buy my yearly vignette for uk
they pay me £300 to tax that truck
Think the £10 day fair but think the yearly level abit low
but then again the eurovignette is the same
buy by the day week month or year
In principal i totally agree with it as long as uk hauliers are reimbursed for it
i still think aswell we should get a rebate scheme on the fuel like we can claim in france belgium etc
on top of this but the government been saying this for years and now 2015 why 3 years to implement
we are a island so should be even easier to implement and police
and non payment should be 1500 fine not like the stupid vosa fines here now that are way to low
orys:
damoq:
A fuel limit would be a better bet. £10 per day to a foreign haulier is a drop in the ocean compared to the savings they make by running here with tanks full of their cheap diesel. They stand to make £20m per year from daily charges. How is that going to benefit the government or British hauliers exactly?But that wont be practical. Say, I am in Callais, I just fueled up to go for my collection for a run to Spain, but they call me “that job is cancelled, go to Dover you got load from there”. And I have full tanks and all I use is five litres from ferry and back…
I might be wrong, but I was always under the impression that a UK registered truck returning from abroad was limited to the amount of ‘cheap’ diesel they bring back in their tanks. If so, then foreign trucks should have to play by those rules and face the consequences if found to be carrying too much diesel.
It’s not about trying to punish foreign trucks, more like trying to level the playing field to give UK hauliers a chance to compete fairly.
no limit to anyone as such
but the adr limit is around 1500ltrs over that and truck comes under adr rules
pet regs etc
damoq:
orys:
damoq:
A fuel limit would be a better bet. £10 per day to a foreign haulier is a drop in the ocean compared to the savings they make by running here with tanks full of their cheap diesel. They stand to make £20m per year from daily charges. How is that going to benefit the government or British hauliers exactly?But that wont be practical. Say, I am in Callais, I just fueled up to go for my collection for a run to Spain, but they call me “that job is cancelled, go to Dover you got load from there”. And I have full tanks and all I use is five litres from ferry and back…
I might be wrong, but I was always under the impression that a UK registered truck returning from abroad was limited to the amount of ‘cheap’ diesel they bring back in their tanks. If so, then foreign trucks should have to play by those rules and face the consequences if found to be carrying too much diesel.
It’s not about trying to punish foreign trucks, more like trying to level the playing field to give UK hauliers a chance to compete fairly.
Yeah, but that impracticality applies as well to British haulier - you go over the water to do job Callais - Warsaw, you fill up and then you are told this job is cancelled but you have another one from Dover…
They want to charge the same as the rest of europe so its fair really, charge too much and we run the risk of driving them out of the country which would not be a good thing.
Be interesting to see if it actually happens and if so, whats done with the extra money raised.
It seems to me that the easiest way to administer it would be to levy a surcharge on the export ferry cost, to be collected by the shipping companies, according to how many days have elapsed since the truck arrived in the UK.
Harry Monk:
It seems to me that the easiest way to administer it would be to levy a surcharge on the export ferry cost, to be collected by the shipping companies, according to how many days have elapsed since the truck arrived in the UK.
But it would be also good to somehow include the mileage in this charge…
See, I came here for one day only but my lorry broke down, I took it to British garage and it stays there 4 days… I am not driving, and actually I am letting Britons earn some money on fixing my truck, on hotel for me, food etc…
orys:
Harry Monk:
It seems to me that the easiest way to administer it would be to levy a surcharge on the export ferry cost, to be collected by the shipping companies, according to how many days have elapsed since the truck arrived in the UK.But it would be also good to somehow include the mileage in this charge…
See, I came here for one day only but my lorry broke down, I took it to British garage and it stays there 4 days… I am not driving, and actually I am letting Britons earn some money on fixing my truck, on hotel for me, food etc…
That a fair enough comment but say for example someones tacho breaks and it doesnt record the 2000km its done in the four days its been here?
Saaamon:
orys:
Harry Monk:
It seems to me that the easiest way to administer it would be to levy a surcharge on the export ferry cost, to be collected by the shipping companies, according to how many days have elapsed since the truck arrived in the UK.But it would be also good to somehow include the mileage in this charge…
See, I came here for one day only but my lorry broke down, I took it to British garage and it stays there 4 days… I am not driving, and actually I am letting Britons earn some money on fixing my truck, on hotel for me, food etc…
That a fair enough comment but say for example someones tacho breaks and it doesnt record the 2000km its done in the four days its been here?
There are other methods to check it… CMR for example with loading places… CCTV
But I think this is a general question now of “if we treat everyone as potential cheaters and then some people will have to pay more while they did nothing wrong” or “if we treat everyone as they were honest people, but look closely to catch the abusers”?
orys:
Saaamon:
orys:
Harry Monk:
It seems to me that the easiest way to administer it would be to levy a surcharge on the export ferry cost, to be collected by the shipping companies, according to how many days have elapsed since the truck arrived in the UK.But it would be also good to somehow include the mileage in this charge…
See, I came here for one day only but my lorry broke down, I took it to British garage and it stays there 4 days… I am not driving, and actually I am letting Britons earn some money on fixing my truck, on hotel for me, food etc…
That a fair enough comment but say for example someones tacho breaks and it doesnt record the 2000km its done in the four days its been here?
There are other methods to check it… CMR for example with loading places… CCTV
But I think this is a general question now of “if we treat everyone as potential cheaters and then some people will have to pay more while they did nothing wrong” or “if we treat everyone as they were honest people, but look closely to catch the abusers”?
Theres no denying you have a valid point and of course some people would probably end up paying more than the £10 per so of course it would work in the countries favor aswell as uk hauliers with regards to foreigners using slightly cheaper fuel but i think it just complicates what could be a simple system. I dont have any knowledge on what other countries do in europe when it comes to charging lorries to use the roads so dont really know what people prefer.
What system over there is considered to be the most favorable? Milage, day rate or tolls (or any others)?
Saaamon:
What system over there is considered to be the most favorable? Milage, day rate or tolls (or any others)?
I think in general there are three systems:
Judging from that recently some countries that were using vignettes moved over to second system (Poland, Slovakia, I am not sure if Czech Republic as well) and that in several more countries truck pay per mile while cars pay per day, I would guess the second option is most favourable.
There is also option four, Norway, that reads the number plate with APNR and you have to pay, but since they cannot really get that money of you if you decide not to, propably the MAUT system is better…
I am driving small vans only in Europe, I think one of the “big” guys would be able to tell you more…
But since some other coutnries find the “per mile” system better than “per time”, I think it would be good to use the other countries experiences…
From the other hand, your road tax is “per time”, so it would be easier to unificate them two if you wont go for looking at the miles covered…
I don’t know, I think it is better late than never than Britain introduce this payments, but it should be done properly from day one, you lost enough of money already…