How long does anyone think before ford Dagenham goes the same way as bridgend
If you’re comparing Daghenham with what it was when it was making everything from Anglia to Zodiac it’s already long gone and a shadow of its former importance.
What’s not to like from the elite’s perspective with loads of working class people now having been brainwashed into thinking that owning a bicycle is the best they can hope for.Leaving more scope for their employers’ new Merc or BMW replacement upgrade at trade in time.
While people seem to miss the fact that the former big two US car makers are just a joke everywhere now.With GM and Ford Australia already also having been taken out by stopping production of Holdens and Falcons.While the Chevrolet name gets stuck on Daewoos.
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Are we having a sweepstake as to who will be the first remainder to blame Brexit for this
The Diesel Plant will shut next, it’s worth more for housing in Dagenham, nothing to do with Brexit
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This has been going on since the mid 70’s…hmm didn’t we join some sort of common trade club about then 
You’d be driving down the road and oh look there’s another factory/mill closing, few weeks later the machines move in, a year later its a leisure centre or flats or housing estate, shopping centres or offices, this was happening unreported in the main all over the country, but we saw it unfolding day after day year upon year with our own eyes because of the job we do.
These days it isn’t happening so much because there really isn’t much proper industry left to demolish, the industrial buildings of now built on green sites are simply warehouses stuffed to the rafters with Chinese tat staffed almost entirely be east europeans, other than that they simply concrete over what used to be the countryside for housing the new white flight in fancy named dormitories…go on i dare you to visit the places you played as a child, all bloody gone, been there done that, all gone.
Juddian:
This has been going on since the mid 70’s…hmm didn’t we join some sort of common trade club about thenYou’d be driving down the road and oh look there’s another factory/mill closing, few weeks later the machines move in, a year later its a leisure centre or flats or housing estate, shopping centres or offices, this was happening unreported in the main all over the country, but we saw it unfolding day after day year upon year with our own eyes because of the job we do.
These days it isn’t happening so much because there really isn’t much proper industry left to demolish, the industrial buildings of now built on green sites are simply warehouses stuffed to the rafters with Chinese tat staffed almost entirely be east europeans, other than that they simply concrete over what used to be the countryside for housing the new white flight in fancy named dormitories…go on i dare you to visit the places you played as a child, all bloody gone, been there done that, all gone.
Picture the scene when they do the same to the German car industry.First they came for the Brits then Detroit then the Australians then they came for us ( them ). 
Although for some reason haven’t actually heard of any similar types of closures in the Fatherland.With the exception of the French taking out Opel when GM ran out on them leaving them to the mercies of PSA.That’ll work no I don’t want to replace the Zafira with a Grandland or a Combo just like I wouldn’t even have replaced a Senator or an Omega with a Vectra.
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As for the latest agenda it doesn’t take much working out that the plan is to make electric powered toys and charge the customer the same as for a proper car.Batteries not included that costs even more.Then there’s the captive market for the Electricity suppliers + road fuel tax.What could possibly go wrong.
kendon:
How long does anyone think before ford Dagenham goes the same way as bridgend
I Googled Fords Dagenham and found the last car rolled off the line in 2002
Now there are less than 2000 working there,nothing like when it was producing cars.
The days when Dagenham and Halewood where in the news for one reason or another, usually strikes, are long long gone
lolipop:
The days when Dagenham and Halewood where in the news for one reason or another, usually strikes, are long long gone
Yes workers really did like striking and living on strike ‘pay’ just for the fun of it. 
Much better to give the jobs to higher paid German workers or compliant,South East Asian/Chinese ones working for effectively slave labour wage rates.Remind us who gains from this.
In ten years time the major car players will be Chinese. Ford are pulling out of the U.K. Fiat/ Chrysler are pulling out of the U.S.A. and G.M. are leaving Europe. We are on the cusp of a major shake up. Michelin are closing their facility in Dundee that’s them off as well.
lolipop:
kendon:
How long does anyone think before ford Dagenham goes the same way as bridgendI Googled Fords Dagenham and found the last car rolled off the line in 2002
Now there are less than 2000 working there,nothing like when it was producing cars.
The days when Dagenham and Halewood where in the news for one reason or another, usually strikes, are long long gone
As a young metallurgist I went to Dagenham for an interview to work in their foundry. It was a massive site then, they had blast furnaces next to the river and supplied pig iron to many casting companies around the UK.
As said above, the British car industry started to decline in the 1970s, several factors responsible (bad management, Government policy, workers badly led in some cases).
Remember when heaters and radios were extra cost options on BMC cars? Datsun Sunnys had these as standard, BMC complacently despised these and thought japanese cars wouldn’t catch on. Just what the British motorcycle makers had thought.
Short-term thinking by companies and Governments still means nothing ever gets better, I think this has been the ruin of the country.
Ford were knackered after using Volvo engines for the ST / RS range instead of developing their own, which were good enough for Jaguar, but that didn’t last too long.
The development of hybrid and complete electric units to power future cars will see most car manufacturers downsize.
MG - Rover collapsed and bought by SAIC the Chinese owned company, it is now the largest importer of Chinese cars into the U.K.
Saab now Chinese - Swedish owned with China being the major shareholder, NEVS.
With a no deal Brexit looking more likely to happen, a trade deal with China could help save Port Talbot and re establish the U.K. as a competitor in the European car manufacturing industry.
But with the US holding a knife to our throat in regards to the 5G network technology being Chinese and supplied by Huawei, it’s unlikely China will secure any deal unless the US backs down
The days when Dagenham and Halewood where in the news for one reason or another, usually strikes, are long long gone
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exactly the reason no manufacturer or business wants anything to do with the operating procedures of your average british factory worker and closes down or moves abroad.
dieseldog999:
The days when Dagenham and Halewood where in the news for one reason or another, usually strikes, are long long gone
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exactly the reason no manufacturer or business wants anything to do with the operating procedures of your average british factory worker and closes down or moves abroad.
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You’ve been in the land that time forgot to long my friend. The bad days of British manufacturing ended over 30 years ago. Since then the Asians (including Japan) have invested hugely in the Uk, mainly automotive and electronics. The reasons for that? Because Britain has (had…) thr ideal mix for Asian companies wanting to sell in Europe. A workforce more competent than Spain or italy. Less likely ti go on strike than the French. Cheaper than the Germans. Plenty Seaports for cheap and easy imports/exports. No barriers to export those goods to the 500 milion consumers in Europe.
The days of “one out all out”, and “Friday afternoon cortina specials” were replaced with one of the most successful industries in Western Europe.
But, instead of using that skill, ppwer, and influence to sit at tge table and shape Europe, your governments have spend the last 40 years petulantly klinging on to the notion that “we had the biggest empire dont youknow…” and refusing to play.
The current downturn in the automotive industry is largely down to global and economic change, both in manufacturing, and markets development.
Europe has peaked. Asia and Afrika are the new emerging markets. Emerging markets have a n appetite for goods (cars and consumer). It is more sensible to build your manufacturing base for that market near that market.
Brexit has just given Britain a" coup de grace"
The last person leaving won’t need to worry about turning of the light. The chinees will do that for you…
Grumpy Dad:
Ford were knackered after using Volvo engines for the ST / RS range instead of developing their own, which were good enough for Jaguar, but that didn’t last too long.
The development of hybrid and complete electric units to power future cars will see most car manufacturers downsize.
MG - Rover collapsed and bought by SAIC the Chinese owned company, it is now the largest importer of Chinese cars into the U.K.
Saab now Chinese - Swedish owned with China being the major shareholder, NEVS.
With a no deal Brexit looking more likely to happen, a trade deal with China could help save Port Talbot and re establish the U.K. as a competitor in the European car manufacturing industry.
But with the US holding a knife to our throat in regards to the 5G network technology being Chinese and supplied by Huawei, it’s unlikely China will secure any deal unless the US backs down
Saying that Rover-MG collapsed is true, but wasn’t necessarily inevitable. Phoenix certainly didn’t help them, and maybe stricter rules about financial proprietary from the Gov may have helped? Seems to me too much freedom of action for “investors” will too often lead to bad outcomes.
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If the Chinese want to run a steel plant in South Wales, under what conditions for pay, worker’s rights, environmental standards would that be?