Would you ever accept a wage cut from your employer, and if they tried to force one on you, what would your reaction be?
Its illegal to cut wages,if you cant negotiate something then be gone.I would be tempted to widdle in the diesel instead of the ad-blu tank.
It’s not illegal, all you need is a redundancy, then the employer offers up the new t & c’s, along with a new (lower) salary.
Tupe went well then.
alamcculloch:
Its illegal to cut wages,if you cant negotiate something then be gone.I would be tempted to widdle in the diesel instead of the ad-blu tank.
No, it is not illegal to cut wages.
Olog Hai:
alamcculloch:
Its illegal to cut wages,if you cant negotiate something then be gone.I would be tempted to widdle in the diesel instead of the ad-blu tank.No, it is not illegal to cut wages.
No, but it is if it’s not done the right way.
If the choice is “pay cut or gone” - any redundancy package will not only be based on the former, higher pay scales - but because the company is still supposedly solvent - the redundancy can hardly be the “national minimum paid by the government” can it?
It’s not illegal to impose a pay cut - but it IS illegal for a company to “continue trading whilst insolvent”… 
There are strict rules for companies that offer by way of an exit package anything involving a “government sponsored minimum”. The reason many companies offer well over the basic minimum isn’t out of the kindness of their hearts… The packages obviously favour the crew member who’s done around 24 years service, that being a common cap level of service for the redundancy package calculations.
YEAH CHEAPER RENT 
Years ago we had the ‘pay cut or gone’ scenario so we accepted the cut but we were given a vote on it first.
Pete.
I know what I would do! I’d walk before a paycut
It’s not illegal, all you need is a redundancy, then the employer offers up the new t & c’s, along with a new
not so, a redundancy situation means that the person doing the job is no longer required, not that he is too expensive to continue doing the job. It is not the person who is redundant it is the position.
So an employer cannot give you redundancy and then employ someone else doing the same job for less money.
del949:
It’s not illegal, all you need is a redundancy, then the employer offers up the new t & c’s, along with a new
not so, a redundancy situation means that the person doing the job is no longer required, not that he is too expensive to continue doing the job. It is not the person who is redundant it is the position.
So an employer cannot give you redundancy and then employ someone else doing the same job for less money.
That’s true. “Constructive Dismissal” was invented to get around this very thing. 
(a) An employer wants to halve everyone’s pay.
(b) You can’t pay less, so you double the contract hours from 35 to 70 in a new contract;
(c) Everyone refuses to sign the new contract, and the yard announces that when current contracts expire, they will not be renewed - except under the new T&Cs.
(d) It’s now perfectly acceptable business practice to bus agency bods across picket lines, and in any case the yard most likely to impose draconian contract changes - won’t have a Union.
(e) After a few weeks of paying “over the odds” for 100% agency coverage (strangely at rates close to the original T&Cs of the yard) - the yard is then able to advertise the same jobs for the same pay - but the much longer hourage - and ‘hey presto’ the yard has completely succeeded in their goals. Only one turnover of staff is required, which continues to be easy all the time there are people who value a crappy full time job over even an average-paid agency one.
It’s this latter point that gives the employer the upper hand of course… 
If someone tried to impose a wage cut, I’d just work somewhere else. Not like it difficult to get HGV driving work now. 
Just try standing in the checkout at your supermarket and telling them you want to pay 5% less than what the till shows. Ditto your utility companies, local petrol station etc. 
I said to you a few weeks ago Weeto that it was the thin end of the wedge with all the corporate muscle flexing you were being subject to. Now I don’t profess to know you or your Co mate, but from my point of view I’d be thinking seriously that it’s about time to walk. Maybe I’m wrong (I hope I am) and I really hope it works out well for you, but I suspect that you’re going to be subject to a whole load more bollox from them before they’re finished. Good luck anyway.
No union there?
Presumably not, if so I’d be trying for a termination package and to help that along i’d drop constructive dismissal via legal advice politely into the conversation…whether you’d win is debatable and way beyond my knowledge but they might not want to risk the the case nor the publicity…there are some unpleasant results at tribunals for companies who don’t do things the way they should have.
Like Maoster says it sounds like this job is only going one way, so i’d try and salvage some sort of payout and bugger off to pastures new.
Dav1d:
It’s not illegal, all you need is a redundancy, then the employer offers up the new t & c’s, along with a new (lower) salary.
Tupe went well then.
Not quite sure if we were actually tupe’d as the original company is still running as a separate business and was told by the old and new owners that nothing will change, well except the 45 minute deduction by the new owners, which I think has more to do with them not liking the idea of having to pay us for nearly 4 hours a week whilst we are sat on break doing nothing.
weeto:
Dav1d:
It’s not illegal, all you need is a redundancy, then the employer offers up the new t & c’s, along with a new (lower) salary.
Tupe went well then.Not quite sure if we were actually tupe’d as the original company is still running as a separate business and was told by the old and new owners that nothing will change, well except the 45 minute deduction by the new owners, which I think has more to do with them not liking the idea of having to pay us for nearly 4 hours a week whilst we are sat on break doing nothing.
You need to make sure that is exactly what happens. Ignore any cab phone ringing, arrange driving time or wtd time so that the need for a break occurs at the most inconvenient time possible.
However you were lucky to have been paid in the first place.
cav551:
weeto:
Dav1d:
It’s not illegal, all you need is a redundancy, then the employer offers up the new t & c’s, along with a new (lower) salary.
Tupe went well then.Not quite sure if we were actually tupe’d as the original company is still running as a separate business and was told by the old and new owners that nothing will change, well except the 45 minute deduction by the new owners, which I think has more to do with them not liking the idea of having to pay us for nearly 4 hours a week whilst we are sat on break doing nothing.
You need to make sure that is exactly what happens. Ignore any cab phone ringing, arrange driving time or wtd time so that the need for a break occurs at the most inconvenient time possible.
However you were lucky to have been paid in the first place.
Being paid straight through and the hourly rate was the main attraction, once you’ve done just about everything in road haulage, you need something to keep you in the game.