You’ll subscribe to the thoery that ROG suggested then, all drive in lane two at 10 mph?
that’s what i was told on lessons Deepinvet, expecting the unexpected doesn’t mean travelling around at 10mph
Mike-C:
biggusdickusgb:
just for interest whats your take on this one
That the Ramage truck and the EMR truck just do as they like with no regard for anyone else?
agreed mike but i was thinking more along the lines of under normal conditions the lorry behind the ramage one should’ve known something was coming up as well
I suspect that the long and short of it Steve is that the EMR driver cocked up badly ! Just a hunch i have
Mike-C:
I suspect that the long and short of it Steve is that the EMR driver cocked up badly ! Just a hunch i have
totally in agreement with you mike, but as soon as i see a vehicle standing/moving on the hard shoulder, i’m on my way into the middle lane unlike daz who was surprised, no argument with daz as he’ll learn as he goes along
my disbelief is ROGs response
Mike-C:
So far it looks like its you and the EMR driver, i’ll keep count. Sort of like an invigilator !!
Yeah not many “Professionals” admit to their mistakes, especially on this site
sorry davey, i hold my hands up to a lot of mistakes and tomfoolery but this is one i can always say i have never done because i have a procedure to entering the live lanes, and always used it
biggusdickusgb:
sorry davey, i hold my hands up to a lot of mistakes and tomfoolery but this is one i can always say i have never done because i have a procedure to entering the live lanes, and always used it
I think your missing my point Steve
How many times has a Professional Driver Stopped and put Hazards on then pulled away even indicating but forgetting the hazards were on.
Personally my actions if pulling away on the hard shoulder is to build the speed up then ease out when safe to do so, normally if I saw a broken down truck on the hard shoulder whether stationary or not, I’d pull out into lane 2, theres always the chance a pair of legs will pop out from underneath if its stationary. If it’s moving then by pulling out your giving the driver the benefit of doubt incase there’s a serious problem, saving him from getting “Shook” as you pass.
biggusdickusgb:
totally in agreement with you mike, but as soon as i see a vehicle standing/moving on the hard shoulder, i’m on my way into the middle lane unlike daz who was surprised, no argument with daz as he’ll learn as he goes along
my disbelief is ROGs response
Hmmm… me thinks I’ll have to put this another way -
If all drivers ASSUMED, that a vehicle moving steadily & slowly (15 mph) along the hard shoulder with it’s hazards on was going to pull into lane one at any time without the usual safe indication that it was going to do so, and they all move into lane 2 to go by it, then that effectively makes it a 15 mph vehicle travelling in lane one
So, hard shoulder at 15mph - all move into lane 2 OR lane 1 at 15mph - all move into lane 2
What’s the difference
We would all complain and think it UNREASONABLE for a lane 1 vehicle to effectively block lane 1 at 15mph on a free flowing motorway as it would cause a hazard by causing all the lane 1 traffic to move over.
This is why I said ‘What is reasonably expected to happen’ …
didnt notice the emr truck till i passed the m5 turn off, as most people who use this section know many cars tend to go from lane 3 to the m5 slip, and i cant remember if they was anything in lane 2, but i had 2 choices i could either do what i did or, take a second to look in the mirror in lane 2, even then a car could be in the blindspot, and im even closer to the truck.
sorry ROG, if there is a lorry in the hard shoulder, moving or otherwise it’s prudent to move towards the second lane to give them room.
i still can’t believe you think its correct to go whizzing past a few inches away, like someone has said already, what if someone steps out?
as far as daz’s scenario goes, once you see a vehicle moving in the hard shoulder and you’ve moved over, not only are you giving him space to manouvre, you’re also letting other vehicles behind you know of the problem.
biggusdickusgb:
sorry ROG, if there is a lorry in the hard shoulder, moving or otherwise it’s prudent to move towards the second lane to give them room.
i still can’t believe you think its correct to go whizzing past a few inches away, like someone has said already, what if someone steps out?
as far as daz’s scenario goes, once you see a vehicle moving in the hard shoulder and you’ve moved over, not only are you giving him space to manouvre, you’re also letting other vehicles behind you know of the problem.
I believe in giving as much room as poss but staying in lane in that particular situation.
What you are saying is that any vehicle moving slowly on the shoulder should be regaded as though it is in lane 1
If that be the case then what is the point of the shoulder for very slow moving vehicles which may be crawling to a motorway phone etc
ROG:
I believe in giving as much room as poss but staying in lane in that particular situation.
What you are saying is that any vehicle moving slowly on the shoulder should be regaded as though it is in lane 1
If that be the case then what is the point of the shoulder for very slow moving vehicles which may be crawling to a motorway phone etc
no i’m not saying that, i’m saying self preservation comes first
who’s going to be worse off?
the driver thats on the hard shoulder doesn’t realise theres debris in front of him until the last minute and swerves out to avoid it?
me out in the middle lane nowhere near him or you because you were only a couple of inches away from his trailer when he swung out.
Whether you stay in lane 1 or move over is neither here nor there (personally, I would stay in lane 1). In this instance, the truck was moving @ 15mph, so noboby was going to “step out”.
The fact is, the EMR driver should have accelerated on the HS until it was safe to rejoin the mway, Simple as.
Chances are he stopped on the hard shoulder for some reason and turned his hazards on. When he’d done what-ever, he started moving off, indicating to rejoin the motorway. He could hear his indicators ticking, so he knew his indicators were working. The problem was, the numpty didn’t realise his hazards were still on.
He probably pulled out on you to show his displeasure at you not flashing him in/out and blanked you 'cos he thought F.Y, you could see I wanted to come out.
redboxer850:
Whether you stay in lane 1 or move over is neither here nor there (personally, I would stay in lane 1). In this instance, the truck was moving @ 15mph, so noboby was going to “step out”.
The fact is, the EMR driver should have accelerated on the HS until it was safe to rejoin the mway, Simple as.
in a perfect world yes, but its not perfect and he did pull out
If everybody followed the advice you are giving and moved into lane 2 every time something MIGHT happen on the hard shoulder then the motorways would become gridlocked during busy times.
The effect the above would cause WILL be the same as having a blockage in lane 1.
The hard shoulder is there to PREVENT this sort of thing hapening.
Of course the sensible thing is to give as much room as possible without whilst being SAFE and not causing INCONVENIENCE to other road users. The best way is to stay in lane and err towards the right of that lane or, if the motorway traffic is very light, consider a lane move.
The Highway Man:
Whenever I’ve stopped with someone on the hard shoulder, I always advise them to build their speed up till they’re matching the speed of the traffic in lane 1, wait for a suitable gap, indicate and rejoin the carriageway. That way, everyone’s going home.
That will work, until you get some government think tank suggesting using the hard shoulder as a live motorway lane or that the potholes are deeper than the craters on the moon.
With Rog, the answer would be to insist anyone on the roads has taken a motorcycle test or at least a CBT.
Look after number one and CONTROL the lane, that way no one can undertake you, it gives less experienced drivers somewhere to go and at the end of the day it might save a life.
Personally I’d move into lane 2 if it was safe to do so, same as I do if I see broken down trucks and the car numpties that pull onto the hard shoulder but are right at the edge of lane one. And what’s with the people who sit in their cars on the hard shoulder? Do they not know what happens when a truck moving at 56 hits a stationary car. And I’ve seen plenty of trucks veering onto the hard shoulder for no apparent reason.
This is getting a bit heated lol. Personally if approaching said slow moving vehicle i would anticipate him moving and check lane 2 to see if there is space to pull out. i dont need to go there i just need to know the gap is there if and when i need it. By keeping a check on my mirrors i no space is still there so when he comes out i can go into lane 2. Of course if its an empty road you can move over a bit and give him a wide berth but to go straight out causes other hazards like impatient car drivers coming up your inside and such like. All depends on the road conditions. You wouldnt move out at rush hour and you wouldnt stay in at 4 in the morning with the mway to yourself.
–bob–:
This is getting a bit heated lol. Personally if approaching said slow moving vehicle i would anticipate him moving and check lane 2 to see if there is space to pull out. i dont need to go there i just need to know the gap is there if and when i need it. By keeping a check on my mirrors i no space is still there so when he comes out i can go into lane 2. Of course if its an empty road you can move over a bit and give him a wide berth but to go straight out causes other hazards like impatient car drivers coming up your inside and such like. All depends on the road conditions. You wouldnt move out at rush hour and you wouldnt stay in at 4 in the morning with the mway to yourself.
i never drive in lane one passing anything on the hard shoulder
if i had to drive in lane 2 for ever and a day i would
doors open, people come from behind cab, they pull out
not worth the risk …because
the bloke following too close behind me side swipes whats on the hard shoulder cos he aint seen it
it may inconvenience the bloke behind but thats tough
