who makes up the fines ? why 3002 euro ? y the “2” is what am gettin at?
Nevertheless , it seems a ridiculous amount by the money grabbin Spanish ■■■■■■■■■■
Ye’d be a bag of nerves if ye got stopped and it was ye one and only motor. A cracked lense, fine, sun faded reflector , fine, passenger not carryin a licence, fine, and it s not a couple of quid!
Reckon no matter how legal ye wagon is, they are out to get ye if ye get pulled in!
Spains economy is in dire straits so ye can see Y they are doin it.
I would Boycott Spain completely , not worth the hassle. Let some others line their pockets.
Who was that other guy who got heavy fines last yr in Spain ? was carryin a passenger and as he was a driver the cops said his name should have appeared on his tachos, his argument was that he was just a passenger… cant remember his name.
Well, this is my last post, thanks to those who offered help, and i must say i am disapointed in the comments from the others, i dare say im out of touch, thankgod for that,its only a motoring fine, and you would like to think that, well we all have been there, i am not above anything, except being ripped off and held to ransome, you win some and you lose some, thats the game, but, i now remember why i like to run alone, when the chips are down, i can certainly do without some of the two faced back stabbing comments, im gone , and i know that you wont miss me. what a shame how its all turned out, You boys stay local now, you wouldnt be wanted elsewhere.
richmond:
Well, this is my last post, thanks to those who offered help, and i must say i am disapointed in the comments from the others, i dare say im out of touch, thankgod for that,its only a motoring fine, and you would like to think that, well we all have been there, i am not above anything, except being ripped off and held to ransome, you win some and you lose some, thats the game, but, i now remember why i like to run alone, when the chips are down, i can certainly do without some of the two faced back stabbing comments, im gone , and i know that you wont miss me. what a shame how its all turned out, You boys stay local now, you wouldnt be wanted elsewhere.
To be really fair you come onto a public forum and ask for advice then when you don’t like the answer you get all high and mighty and want your ball back. Let me remind myself what the original post on page one said;
richmond:
Hello, has anyone ever had experiance of being fined in spain and appealing against it ? I have just had a truck stopped in irun spain for not having a working speed limiter, which they are right about, they have fined me 3002 euro, which i think is too much, so i left the truck there , and now want to find out how to negotiate , if possible, maybe even low loader it home to get it fixed, has anuone any ideas , or experince on doing this. regards
There was another bloke on here called David who had a few runnings with the Spaniards, he thought he could outfox them too
To be fair though lads, he could have had a fault show up on the day he was shipping out and not had chance to get it fixed, who knows. He’s not said he’s being done for speeding so the driver has kept it in check which is all the limiter is there to do , so as he says, he hasn’t been that daft. Plus the limiter will be set at 56 and many roads are only 80kn ph over there and again, no mention of speeding, just nicked him for no limiter.
How the hell do the flying dutchmen get away with it? I was coming back from testing in Spain recently and I was doing 65-70 (and that checked out with the sat-nav so no speedo error) in the van and loads of cloggies were catching me up!
The forum does seem to have turned into a narks emporium. Thank god you ain’t the judges, the prisons would be full of people who failed to polish his Scania badge
routier:
Nevertheless , it seems a ridiculous amount by the money grabbin Spanish [zb].
that comes from everybody laughing about how low the fines were in Spain for years eventually the Spanish said ok now laugh
So in your opinion the huge fines are just for that “offence” ?
Not exactly a great advert for Spain if you want to export goods there.
I would have thought, in light of its economy and huge unemployment, they would want to show the country off in the best possible light for future trade.
OK , his limiter was broke, he wasnt speeding, I don’t think a 3002 euro / £2600 is just for that.
Driving bent OK, but for that…Come’on.
Think there would be outrage if those fines occurred in the UK or Ireland.
My take on this is that Spain, just like the UK, is deep in the brown stuff. This country is taking as much as possible off me and you, the Spanish have to make money as well and they want to get as much as possible from people without losing them votes, foreigners who didn’t and can’t vote them in or out anyway. Now I know it’s a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things, but as Tesco says, “Every little helps” and they get the backing of the voters for trying.
so routier thinks the fines should be smaller, how is that a deterrent? they are big so you don’t do anything wrong
if i were to use a magnet on my tacho in spain i could get up to 30,000 fine and/or go to prison
now thats good enough reason for me not to use one
routier:
So you think the fine for a Speed Limiter not working justifies a 3002 euro fine ?
Y couldnt it be 1000 euro fine, jeez, I mean thats heft enough now.
What Hauilier has money to throw away ? Hauliers are not exactly rolling in it are they…
Ye comparison is OTT.
i haven’t made any comparison i’m simply stating a fact about how much the fines are.
i do think the offence justifies a big fine so that it deters people from breaking the law.
hauliers don’t have money to throw away so should run their vehicles legally its known that the fines are large in spain and france so don’t break the law in those countries, its not rocket science is it?
how many times do we see posts from the plodders on the uk roads about johnny foreigner flying past them? but thats because most uk trucks don’t do 90k
a truck without a limiter in europe would be seen as “favourable” for the operator so a large fine is imposed but if a driver did something wrong in spain the fine isn’t always so huge in my experience
in some arab countries adulterers can be stoned to death, result don’t shag your mates mrs
in the UK don’t smoke anywhere or you’ll get shot, result plastic bus shelters outside every pub
in spain and france fines are huge, result don’t break the rules
ye get stopped and they spot a cracked or smashed headlight, something thats out of your control, it wasnt there several hrs before, ye get a 3000 + euro fine…
Thats good is it ?
Ye Carry a fellow passenger , who is also a HGV driver but is simply that a Passenger, not driving but merely catchin a lift , ye get fined as ye havent recorded their details on ye tacho, thats good is it ?
The guy who got stopped wasnt speeding and was not fined for any tacho offences so how would he be classed as having an advantage… ?
routier:
Ok
so explain this…
ye get stopped and they spot a cracked or smashed headlight, something thats out of your control, it wasnt there several hrs before, ye get a 3000 + euro fine…
Thats good is it ?
Ye Carry a fellow passenger , who is also a HGV driver but is simply that a Passenger, not driving but merely catchin a lift , ye get fined as ye havent recorded their details on ye tacho, thats good is it ?
The guy who got stopped wasnt speeding and was not fined for any tacho offences so how would he be classed as having an advantage… ?
now you’re just being silly a cracked headlight would be 150 euro reduced by 30% if paid in 30 days so would be 105 but i’d check it before starting and i’ve got metal headlamp protectors
the bloke in the passenger seat must register as being in the vehicle thats a european law, if he doesn’t like it spain has en excellent bus service
i know he wasn’t speeding but his vehicle was knowingly illegal as his limiter was not working so in their eyes he should be fined.
i don’t understand what is so hard for you to understand? i’m not saying the system is right but its there for a reason big fine means don’t do it, in the uk if you commit a crime and they send you to prison they quickly let you out again but if they were harsher and locked you up for longer people would commit less crime
as for the original fine of 3002 if he pays within 30 days it gets reduced by 30% i.e. 960? so thats a bit better isn’t it?
You are making the mistake of wanting people to agree with you. Why worry, you have your opinion, they have theirs, there is no right, no wrong, just differences of opinion. Learn to live with it and keep chilled man. Love and peace, lurrvvv and Peace.
Incidentally, I agree it’s a bit much really and I know of so many people getting away with absolutely crazy things over there, but it seems they cane someone for a slight misdemeanor and let the big ones through the net. Who said life was fair eh?
Taffy-miguel.
I suppose if they had put the passengers card in, they would have nicked them for not having authorisation to be in charge of that truck. But you must know that is just a joke offence, made up on the spot and then adopted as a nice little earner. If you had the Mrs with you without a CE1 would they will be doing her next for passengering without a licence, it’s all about intent and fair-play which sadly has been replaced by greed and desperation.
This country is as bad though. The legal system is a joke for anyone who can afford a fancy lawyer.
At least you get stressed out in a nicer environment over there though. Can’t wait to join you. One more year of Uni to pay for, a couple of years to sort a few things out and I’ll be a new neighbour…
DoYouMeanMe?:
I suppose if they had put the passengers card in, they would have nicked them for not having authorisation to be in charge of that truck. But you must know that is just a joke offence, made up on the spot and then adopted as a nice little earner. If you had the Mrs with you without a CE1 would they will be doing her next for passengering without a licence, it’s all about intent and fair-play which sadly has been replaced by greed and desperation
the passenger doesn’t need authorisation the driver does and my mrs would be classed as a passenger as would anyone without a C+E licence, i agree the fine seems a bit harsh for the passenger scenario but there is something about being taken to or from your truck in another vehicle being part of your spread, its been spoken about on trucknet many times
welshboyinspain:
in spain and france fines are huge, result don’t break the rules
it would be understandable, if the fines were in the thousands for offences commited deliberately, not some typo on the activity sheet or the cet time one hour off thanks to a mistake by the garage doing the recalibrating - €1500 at the irun border from a colleague recently.
routier:
Ok
so explain this…
ye get stopped and they spot a cracked or smashed headlight, something thats out of your control, it wasnt there several hrs before, ye get a 3000 + euro fine…
Thats good is it ?
Ye Carry a fellow passenger , who is also a HGV driver but is simply that a Passenger, not driving but merely catchin a lift , ye get fined as ye havent recorded their details on ye tacho, thats good is it ?
The guy who got stopped wasnt speeding and was not fined for any tacho offences so how would he be classed as having an advantage… ?
now you’re just being silly a cracked headlight would be 150 euro reduced by 30% if paid in 30 days so would be 105 but i’d check it before starting and i’ve got metal headlamp protectors
the bloke in the passenger seat must register as being in the vehicle thats a european law, if he doesn’t like it spain has en excellent bus service
i know he wasn’t speeding but his vehicle was knowingly illegal as his limiter was not working so in their eyes he should be fined.
i don’t understand what is so hard for you to understand? i’m not saying the system is right but its there for a reason big fine means don’t do it, in the uk if you commit a crime and they send you to prison they quickly let you out again but if they were harsher and locked you up for longer people would commit less crime
as for the original fine of 3002 if he pays within 30 days it gets reduced by 30% i.e. 960? so thats a bit better isn’t it?
