Finance

[euro]

Revised guidance from the traffic commissioners
Senior TC outlines financial standing options for standard operators
The traffic commissioners understand that lorry, bus and coach operators may need to manage the short term impact if the UK exits the EU without a deal.

In that period, some operators may not be able to satisfy the financial standing requirement.

That’s why the Senior Traffic Commissioner is planning to provide further guidance on financial standing, should the UK leave the EU without a deal.

…or we could try to stay in the EU and carry on as we are now.

[rjan]

Euro:
…or we could try to stay in the EU and carry on as we are now.

We have already seen what people think of the status quo.

It shows either a certain amount of arrogance, or a certain amount of deafness, to be arguing that maybe we should stick exactly with how things are now - to not even argue an alternative agenda for change.

It’s like telling Oliver Cromwell, “maybe we should just let Charles Stuart continue with personal rule”.

[conor]

Euro:
…or we could try to stay in the EU and carry on as we are now.

Yeah why should we carry out the results of a vote where the winning side had a majority of 1,269,501 votes and the majority of areas of the UK voted to leave?

[franglais]

Let’s have a vote:
Who wants less taxes, but more spent on hospitals, schools, police and roads?
If it gets a majority vote we’ll shout at anyone who says it’s foolish, and call them a traitor!

[rjan]

Franglais:
Let’s have a vote:
Who wants less taxes, but more spent on hospitals, schools, police and roads?
If it gets a majority vote we’ll shout at anyone who says it’s foolish, and call them a traitor!

There are several different ways to interpret that broad policy reasonably, none of which create the contradiction to which you allude.

For example, “less” taxes for the majority could mean shifting more of the tax burden back to the rich, or it could mean borrowing more (not necessarily a bad thing if, for example, it soaks up workers’ pension capital, and the spending generates returns).

“Spending more” on public services could mean attacks on public workers’ pay and conditions (“efficiency savings” in the Tory playbook), better and simpler organisational forms or better technologies (genuine efficiency savings), or it could just literally mean spending more (in conjunction with the above methods of raising funds).

It’s all certainly more sensible than austerity anyway, which involves increasing taxes and reducing spending.

[muckles]

Euro:
Revised guidance from the traffic commissioners
Senior TC outlines financial standing options for standard operators
The traffic commissioners understand that lorry, bus and coach operators may need to manage the short term impact if the UK exits the EU without a deal.

In that period, some operators may not be able to satisfy the financial standing requirement.

That’s why the Senior Traffic Commissioner is planning to provide further guidance on financial standing, should the UK leave the EU without a deal.

…or we could try to stay in the EU and carry on as we are now.

1st point, you have given 2 options not considered a 3rd option of leaving with a deal.

2nd point, Pretty much the same as Ryan’s,
So like many others you seem to believe just going back to how it was, forgetting there was ever a referendum will make everything OK.
Total arogance, people voted as they’d had enough, of many things, just going back doesn’t make that better, except for those who were doing well from the old system and ignored (and are still ignoring) any calls for change, more accountability.

[hotel_magnum]

how can so few people cause so much trouble in what was supposed to be a democracy, the majority voted out lets get on with it.

[hurryup_amp_wait]

hotel magnum:
how can so few people cause so much trouble in what was supposed to be a democracy, the majority voted out lets get on with it.

Because Cameron forked it up. Should have passed some legislation first so as the result would become the law.

Instead the referendum was nothing more than an opinion poll that might as well have been carried out by the Sunday Times. It has no legislative implications whatsoever.

Bottom line is the process is entirely in the hands of Westminster, once the mother of all democracies now the joke of all democracies.

Unfortunately the Brexiteers who are overall in a slim majority are split on which of the 2 Brexit doors to Brexit through, a harder one or a softer one and thus in complete stalemate.

Brexit is not happening purely because of the Brexiteers and the DUP version of self interesested Brexiteers in particular.

UKIP got 600,000 votes from British voters and have no seat in Parliament. In the previous election they got 8 million votes from British people and only 1 single seat in Westminster.

The DUP represent 297,000 people in Ireland not even in Britain and have 10 seats in Westminster.

They also have their very own Irish parliament because they don’t accept UK laws but they refuse to work in it now while still collecting their handsome salaries.

So how on earth can the Irish DUP be the ones running Brexit??

They sank May and I fear Johnson too.

They scuppered two Brexit dates already and I fear Brexit fatigue and Brexit recriminations might lead to a Remainer government next

John Major a man with plenty of DUP history was correct when he warned May and the Tory Party not to touch the DUP here

“But Sir John called for Mrs May to consider operating as a minority government instead of signing a deal with the that he said would “create friction” across the UK. Sir John told the BBC’s World at One programme that he was concerned about the deal with the DUP “for peace process reasons and other reasons as well”.

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[dozy]

Conor:

Euro:
…or we could try to stay in the EU and carry on as we are now.

Yeah why should we carry out the results of a vote where the winning side had a majority of 1,269,501 votes and the majority of areas of the UK voted to leave?[/quote
We shouldn’t , you were told lies & believed them ,
Now the real facts are known we should
Revoke art 50 before you 17 million
& the Tory scum do anymore damage

[carryfast]

Franglais:
Let’s have a vote:
Who wants less taxes, but more spent on hospitals, schools, police and roads?
If it gets a majority vote we’ll shout at anyone who says it’s foolish, and call them a traitor!

Lets have a vote.
Who wants higher taxes but less spent on our hospitals etc etc so we can give all the money to the Krauts to be used as they see fit instead.Yes we know you’ve already voted but we didn’t like the result so you must vote again and again until/unless we get the result we want.

While obviously only in the deluded EU Federalist mindset anyone wanting to hand the country over to the foreign rule and foreign mandate of the 4th Reich isn’t by definition a traitor.

As for the OP more project fear bs.

[franglais]

Hurryup&wait:

hotel magnum:
how can so few people cause so much trouble in what was supposed to be a democracy, the majority voted out lets get on with it.

Because Cameron forked it up. Should have passed some legislation first so as the result would become the law.

Instead the referendum was nothing more than an opinion poll that might as well have been carried out by the Sunday Times. It has no legislative implications whatsoever.

Bottom line is the process is entirely in the hands of Westminster, once the mother of all democracies now the joke of all democracies.

Unfortunately the Brexiteers who are overall in a slim majority are split on which of the 2 Brexit doors to Brexit through, a harder one or a softer one and thus in complete stalemate.

Brexit is not happening purely because of the Brexiteers and the DUP version of self interesested Brexiteers in particular.

UKIP got 600,000 votes from British voters and have no seat in Parliament. In the previous election they got 8 million votes from British people and only 1 single seat in Westminster.

The DUP represent 297,000 people in Ireland not even in Britain and have 10 seats in Westminster.

They also have their very own Irish parliament because they don’t accept UK laws but they refuse to work in it now while still collecting their handsome salaries.

So how on earth can the Irish DUP be the ones running Brexit??

They sank May and I fear Johnson too.

They scuppered two Brexit dates already and I fear Brexit fatigue and Brexit recriminations might lead to a Remainer government next

John Major a man with plenty of DUP history was correct when he warned May and the Tory Party not to touch the DUP here

“But Sir John called for Mrs May to consider operating as a minority government instead of signing a deal with the that he said would “create friction” across the UK. Sir John told the BBC’s World at One programme that he was concerned about the deal with the DUP “for peace process reasons and other reasons as well”.

ft.com/content/cef5e16e-503 … 7009366969

Pretty good, brief statement of how we got here.
We’ll all have different bits to want to bolt on, but that’s a good frame.
.
So, just do the same for a route out of here.
.
Please.

[muckles]

Hurryup&wait:

hotel magnum:
how can so few people cause so much trouble in what was supposed to be a democracy, the majority voted out lets get on with it.

Because Cameron forked it up. Should have passed some legislation first so as the result would become the law.

You’re assuming the referendum was called to fill some need to give us a democratic vote, it was called to keep the Conservative party in government.

There was no need to make it binding or have an exit plan, because as far as Cameron and all the other out of touch bunch, living in their Westminster bubble were concerned they couldn’t lose, after they had all the big guns, most senior MP’s of all parties, Bank of England, IMF, EU, President Obama, most other World leaders, big business, the financial services sector and a load of wealthy celebtaties. It was like a premiership team going to play a pub side with a couple professional players to help them.

Brexit is not happening purely because of the Brexiteers and the DUP version of self interesested Brexiteers in particular.

UKIP got 600,000 votes from British voters and have no seat in Parliament. In the previous election they got 8 million votes from British people and only 1 single seat in Westminster.

The DUP represent 297,000 people in Ireland not even in Britain and have 10 seats in Westminster.

We had a chance to change the voting system, it was pretty much ignored, so we have a crazy system where a majority government can get only 30% of the vote.

[mazzer2]

Hurryup&wait:

hotel magnum:
how can so few people cause so much trouble in what was supposed to be a democracy, the majority voted out lets get on with it.

Because Cameron forked it up. Should have passed some legislation first so as the result would become the law.

Instead the referendum was nothing more than an opinion poll that might as well have been carried out by the Sunday Times. It has no legislative implications whatsoever.

Bottom line is the process is entirely in the hands of Westminster, once the mother of all democracies now the joke of all democracies.

Unfortunately the Brexiteers who are overall in a slim majority are split on which of the 2 Brexit doors to Brexit through, a harder one or a softer one and thus in complete stalemate.

Brexit is not happening purely because of the Brexiteers and the DUP version of self interesested Brexiteers in particular.

UKIP got 600,000 votes from British voters and have no seat in Parliament. In the previous election they got 8 million votes from British people and only 1 single seat in Westminster.

The DUP represent 297,000 people in Ireland not even in Britain and have 10 seats in Westminster.

They also have their very own Irish parliament because they don’t accept UK laws but they refuse to work in it now while still collecting their handsome salaries.

So how on earth can the Irish DUP be the ones running Brexit??

They sank May and I fear Johnson too.

They scuppered two Brexit dates already and I fear Brexit fatigue and Brexit recriminations might lead to a Remainer government next

John Major a man with plenty of DUP history was correct when he warned May and the Tory Party not to touch the DUP here

“But Sir John called for Mrs May to consider operating as a minority government instead of signing a deal with the that he said would “create friction” across the UK. Sir John told the BBC’s World at One programme that he was concerned about the deal with the DUP “for peace process reasons and other reasons as well”.

ft.com/content/cef5e16e-503 … 7009366969

While Northern Ireland is not in Great Britain it is in the UK and therefore subject to UK law, the members of the DUP who are elected representatives in Westminster are not the same MP’s(MLA’s) who are refusing to sit in the Stormont, which is not an Irish parliament but a devolved seat of government in N.I. in the same way that Holyrood is the devolved seat of government in Scotland.

The reason some parties have more clout than others is due to the antiquated UK voting system, when given a referendum to change it, the UK vote for the status quo so it is no good 7 years down the line ■■■■■■■■ about the system when given a chance to change it the UK electorate chose not to

[carryfast]

Mazzer2:

Hurryup&wait:

hotel magnum:
how can so few people cause so much trouble in what was supposed to be a democracy, the majority voted out lets get on with it.

Because Cameron forked it up. Should have passed some legislation first so as the result would become the law.

Instead the referendum was nothing more than an opinion poll that might as well have been carried out by the Sunday Times. It has no legislative implications whatsoever.

Bottom line is the process is entirely in the hands of Westminster, once the mother of all democracies now the joke of all democracies.

Unfortunately the Brexiteers who are overall in a slim majority are split on which of the 2 Brexit doors to Brexit through, a harder one or a softer one and thus in complete stalemate.

Brexit is not happening purely because of the Brexiteers and the DUP version of self interesested Brexiteers in particular.

UKIP got 600,000 votes from British voters and have no seat in Parliament. In the previous election they got 8 million votes from British people and only 1 single seat in Westminster.

The DUP represent 297,000 people in Ireland not even in Britain and have 10 seats in Westminster.

They also have their very own Irish parliament because they don’t accept UK laws but they refuse to work in it now while still collecting their handsome salaries.

So how on earth can the Irish DUP be the ones running Brexit??

They sank May and I fear Johnson too.

They scuppered two Brexit dates already and I fear Brexit fatigue and Brexit recriminations might lead to a Remainer government next

John Major a man with plenty of DUP history was correct when he warned May and the Tory Party not to touch the DUP here

“But Sir John called for Mrs May to consider operating as a minority government instead of signing a deal with the that he said would “create friction” across the UK. Sir John told the BBC’s World at One programme that he was concerned about the deal with the DUP “for peace process reasons and other reasons as well”.

ft.com/content/cef5e16e-503 … 7009366969

While Northern Ireland is not in Great Britain it is in the UK and therefore subject to UK law, the members of the DUP who are elected representatives in Westminster are not the same MP’s(MLA’s) who are refusing to sit in the Stormont, which is not an Irish parliament but a devolved seat of government in N.I. in the same way that Holyrood is the devolved seat of government in Scotland.

The reason some parties have more clout than others is due to the antiquated UK voting system, when given a referendum to change it, the UK vote for the status quo so it is no good 7 years down the line ■■■■■■■■ about the system when given a chance to change it the UK electorate chose not to

Strange how no one said the 1975 ‘referendum’ wasn’t binding.Just like we can bet that the 2016 one would have been binding if the result had gone the way Camoron intended.

As for the DUP’s and SNP’s laughable amount of Seats from such an equally laughable small vote that obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with our ‘antiquated’ voting system.Because the clue is we’re all under the same system which therefore doesn’t explain how such a discrepancy can be created under the same voting system England v Scotland/NI.When the same inbuilt discrepancy regards votes v seats biased in favour of NI and Scotland would exist just the same regardless.It’s the reason for that bias that is the problem and which needs to be fixed.

As for a vote to ‘change’ the system we were actually only given the choice of AV never PR.

[discoman]

muckles:

Hurryup&wait:

hotel magnum:
how can so few people cause so much trouble in what was supposed to be a democracy, the majority voted out lets get on with it.

Because Cameron forked it up. Should have passed some legislation first so as the result would become the law.

You’re assuming the referendum was called to fill some need to give us a democratic vote, it was called to keep the Conservative party in government.

There was no need to make it binding or have an exit plan, because as far as Cameron and all the other out of touch bunch, living in their Westminster bubble were concerned they couldn’t lose, after they had all the big guns, most senior MP’s of all parties, Bank of England, IMF, EU, President Obama, most other World leaders, big business, the financial services sector and a load of wealthy celebtaties. It was like a premiership team going to play a pub side with a couple professional players to help them.

Brexit is not happening purely because of the Brexiteers and the DUP version of self interesested Brexiteers in particular.

UKIP got 600,000 votes from British voters and have no seat in Parliament. In the previous election they got 8 million votes from British people and only 1 single seat in Westminster.

The DUP represent 297,000 people in Ireland not even in Britain and have 10 seats in Westminster.

We had a chance to change the voting system, it was pretty much ignored, so we have a crazy system where a majority government can get only 30% of the vote.

Just so happened, the pub side had Lionel Messi and Neymar and managed by Pep …