Figures show thousands of foreign drivers dodge fines

I thought this may produce more discussion here than on the news forum.

THOUSANDS of foreign motorists are escaping speeding fines every year on roads in the Lothians, new figures revealed today.

A third of drivers caught speeding on one of the region’s busiest roads over a two-month period were foreign nationals, according to statistics compiled by Lothian and Borders Safety Camera Partnership.

The figures showed that 2629 speeding motorists were caught by fixed cameras on the A1 between December 2004 and January this year - 777 of whom were foreign nationals.

In the same period, cameras on the A68 also caught 148 offenders, including 42 foreign nationals.

But the majority of foreign drivers are getting away with the offence as police are unable to trace them when they are caught on camera.

Today, politicians and road safety campaigners said the figures highlighted the need for laws to be changed.

An SNP justice spokesman said it was unfair that foreign motorists are getting off when Scottish drivers are forced to pay the penalties. He said: "When the DVLA receives details of these foreign number plates, they don’t know who to prosecute. They have no way of tracing these people so the fine just gets written off.

“It is a danger for our drivers and it undermines the powers of authorities to improve safety. We need some method to ensure that if they break the law here, they will pay the penalty here.”

Brian Swanson, of the Lothian and Borders Camera Safety Partnership, said the latest figures were compiled during December 2004 and January this year.

“The speeders were caught by various fixed cameras on the two roads over a two-month period. It is true that the majority of foreign motorists will never be traced and will get away without paying the fine. This is a problem which gets worse in the summer when there are more tourists in Scotland.”

Mr Swanson said that in France, UK residents caught speeding have to pay an on-the-spot fine before they can continue driving.

“This would be one solution to the problem. Another would be to fine these people before they leave the country,” he added.

Neil Greig, head of policy for AA Motoring Trust Scotland, said: “It is unfair that foreign motorists should get off paying fines, especially when UK residents have to pay fines when they are abroad.”

A spokesman for the DVLA said the problem was UK-wide and that police are responsible for the enforcement of minor road traffic offences. “If the vehicle involved is registered with the DVLA [ie British] the name and address of the vehicle keeper is made available to the police. This allows normal enforcement action to take place,” he said.

"In the case of an overseas registered vehicle this information is not accessible. The Department of Transport is sponsoring a clause in the Road Safety Bill whereby the driver of an overseas vehicle, at the moment HGV drivers only, will be required to pay a deposit equal to the highest penalty that may be awarded for the offence committed. If the driver attends court, any difference, or the whole amount, would be returned.

"However, the problem is not unique to the UK. Many other [EU] states are also frustrated by the same problem.

“To this end, EU member states are looking into the issue of cross-border sharing of information between registration authorities.”

A Lothian and Borders Police spokesman said: “If foreign drivers are caught by officers using hand-held devices then we have the option of putting that person to court within a few days before they leave the country.”
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no cross border working if a driver whose is not holding a UK driveing
licence,then he gets fined on the spot and if need be the lorry is not
moved until the fine has been payed, I hold a german licence and so
in therory I would have a easy chance not to pay any fines but why is
it if the vehicle is checked in B.NL; I, L; A; CH; etc etc you have 95% OF
the time pay the fine straight away no chance of paying later unless
they decide yes we will give a written bill to the driver.
and as for non payment of fines check all vehicles as they enter the ports
and hold them at the entrance point until they pay the fine which has been
incured by that vehicle, The owner can not say he does not know who drove the lorry as he has to check the tachos and keep them safe for
a certain set time,If they wish to the people concerned could make the
required system to be up and running with little or no problems.
Also as a double check set up a DATA base with those vehicles
who have broken the law registered and then when the lorry is checked

Another point print and distribute to all countrys who drive to GB either
with the help of the trucking mag,s in those countrys some of the important points of our highwaycode and it might then improve the
quaility of some drivers from those lands,
if it is in the base fine the owner and make him pay,THIS double check
can be done by the police and also the VOSA TEAMS: on the road checks…

Visitors to UK who commit driving offences can often get away with it because the authorities say that it is not worth the cost to pusue to fine to source. The computer systems already exist and are in use, all they have to do is talk to each other.

What a load of rubbish, it would not be rocket science to have all the details of any motoring offence posted at all points of entry or exit for vehicles within a maximum 24hrs, modern computer technology, the internet, e-mail. Digital speed camera information has to be processed on a computer so why can it not be immediately available to all recognised authorities straight away via protected web access, that way Port Police, C&E, etc can stop and detain vehicles at departure and impose the on the spot fine there.

Its not pursued because there’s no political will to pursue it.

Post the vehicle registration details to the port computer systems with ANPR scheme running on every vehicle that comes in to the country. They could call it an Anti-Terrorist thingy plan wotsit and get away with it!

Then all they have to do is when one of these registrations come into the country they get stopped and fined, or refused entry…

Oh, sorry, so we’re ending up like the US with a “Dept of Homelande Security” and stuff…

yep your right, R.O.I. plates = immunity from speed cameras :laughing: :laughing: :wink:

V8KARLV8:
yep your right, R.O.I. plates = immunity from speed cameras :laughing: :laughing: :wink:

Dutch plates … wondeful things :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

heres a question

jonny foreigner is on agency work for a leading supermarket. his truck gets caught by a speed camera on the a 14.

how does his licence get endorced and will he hang around to pay his fine :question: or hops on ther next boat out of calais never to be seen again until it dies down and gets a gig elsewhere :exclamation:

just athought

jon

jonboy:
heres a question

jonny foreigner is on agency work for a leading supermarket. his truck gets caught by a speed camera on the a 14.

how does his licence get endorced and will he hang around to pay his fine :question: or hops on ther next boat out of calais never to be seen again until it dies down and gets a gig elsewhere :exclamation:

just athought

jon

Thats a very good point Jon.
Dont know the answers, doubt anyone will know, but a very good point all the same.