matchbox:
With regard to the mislaying/ loss of my ADR original, I was advised that I was required to come off my own route tomorrow and defer to the Carslisle route as there were several tonnes of ADR material to be taken to various drop offs in Carlisle.
I reminded my boss that I had reported to him earlier the loss of my ADR and that a duplicate had been applied for.
As a consequence I said I would be unable to take the Haz load to Cslisle.
He said that it didnt matter because I had applied for a duplicate, he rebuked me and phoned the company H+S officer, who (unkown to me) is also the DGSM, Yet the DGSM name up on a board in the Traffic Office is totaly different to hers (The H+S officer) He said- she said I could carry it since I had applied for a duplicate. And all I would need was a copy of his copy of my ADR.
Complicated, pauses for breath.
I think this is ■■■■■■■■. I think I am right to stick to my guns and say, ok it’s my fault I lost the ■■■■ thing, but I aint takin a load ANYWHERE unless I have an original of my ADR.
Reference the loading of vehicles, we apply the following, if it is class 2 we look to see if it weighs over 333tonnes. If it does, and the driver doesnt have ADR, it does not go on him.
If it’s over 1000 tonnes of any of the others in any combination(excluding explosives and radioactives) , it does not go either on the non ADR.
It’s how we have been taught. If it’s wrong then I wish sum1 at our place would pick up on it.
OR train us to do so.
Pause for breath on my part… Here we go again.
I can’t comment about what’s on the board.
However, what you’ve been told about (your words “class two”) is completely wrong as is the rest of what you’ve been taught. I couldn’t possibly comment on whether you’ve remembered correctly, but If I’d trained you, I’d have made sure that you had a written procedure and a contact phone number in case of any problems.
I found it very interesting that the H&S manager is also your company’s DGSA, for that would be a logical step to make. However, the DGSA qualification is completely separate to any other qualification that that person has already. Unlike NEBOSH or IOSH (H&S quals) DGSA requires to be re-validated every five years.
Just because a person is “the H&S manager” DOES NOT make them a DGSA as well. DGSA is a completely separate qualification.
This part goes like this: You are absolutely correct not to drive an ADR regulated load without an original current ADR certificate. (UK Regs.24(6) as quoted earlier.)
The load limit for “class 2” as a blanket statement isn’t 333ltrs/Kgs (ADR 2007 1.1.3.6.3)
I’d now like to ask a simple question: may I please have the legal quote that says a photocopy ADR certificate is acceptable, since I’ve provided one that says it isn’t 
That’s only fair.
You can copy the whole of this to your boss, if you like. To me, it sounds like he’s also being misled. It then wouldn’t be his fault if he’s only telling you the score as he understands it. That’s why it’s dangerous to take sides before the full facts are known.
As a general piece of advice, we’d all do well to remember that everybody has a boss and that companies work by a chain of command. Now if you boss’ boss is also the H&S manager that might explain things…
If the H&S manager’s boss gives that person lots of work to do as well as ADR compliance, is it surprising when things go awry…? There’s only so much that any human being can do in a working day.
the comment about driving with a photocopy is ridiculous in my view, and only serves to highlight ignorance. The last three-line paragraph of my previous post on this seems all the more relevant now, doesn’t it? (Rhetorical question.)