What is the point in objecting to high fuel prices in the UK without taking a stand against what the tax is spent on? Address the root causes, fuel tax problem solved. 
Abolish the nonsense that is tax credits, £30 billion saved and fuel tax can be eliminated.
Tighten up the free for all that is the welfare state and get the economy moving.
pavaroti:
What is the point in objecting to high fuel prices in the UK without taking a stand against what the tax is spent on? Address the root causes, fuel tax problem solved.Abolish the nonsense that is tax credits, £30 billion saved and fuel tax can be eliminated.
Tighten up the free for all that is the welfare state and get the economy moving.
ban the minimum wage.
it sets a precedent.
France Diesel £1.22 ltr / Luxembourg Diesel £1.05 ltr and that also includes RFL they purchase at the same barrel price and still make a good profit .Rip off Britain tell me about it . Too much paid out to too many doing nothing trouble is its too late to stop this rampant social state of helping the useless / lazy / overweight scroungers, that feels better rant over !!
pavaroti:
What is the point in objecting to high fuel prices in the UK without taking a stand against what the tax is spent on? Address the root causes, fuel tax problem solved.Abolish the nonsense that is tax credits, £30 billion saved and fuel tax can be eliminated.
Tighten up the free for all that is the welfare state and get the economy moving.
If you abolish tax credits, you’ll need to up the minimum wage to about £10ph FIRST. Tax credits only exist because of low pay. Scrap low pay before you scrap high credits, or we’ll ALL be racing each other to the bottom! 
My public savings budget would be cutting:-
(1) Bureaucrats - Getting the job done first, and worrying about how much admin it’ll cost later. 
(2) Foreign Aid - If “Time’s 'are 'ard”, then it’s about time we got some net inflows from those up and coming countries, including India! 
(3) Reforming Both houses of Parliament. Each county has a single MP, and each town a Chief Councillor reporting to that MP. This would cut the commons bill alone by 75%. 
The Lords would only be able to sit if their estates provide an income (taxation) to the state for normal (non evaded) taxes. 
(4) Compulsory voting. Voting to be allowed via IP addresses combined with the electoral register. If you can’t be arsed to vote on your home computer, then use the library. Not complying is dealt with the same way is refusal to fill in the census. 
The net result of all this would be all those who normally can’t be arsed to vote, would now likely vote “anyone but the incumbent” instead, which is healthy for the democratic process. 
(5) Banks pay supertax on all profits made from UK citizens. Retail Banking will end up becoming a non-profit organisation (so the banks can avoid paying so much tax upon it!) whilst more commercial effort is made abroad, so that perhaps the UK can buy up foreign enterprises in the future, rather than foreigners buying up all of OURS! 
(6) Stealing from the public is an automatic custodial sentence. The laws regarding Tax Evasion merely need to be broadened across the entire public funds system to make this work at little extra cost. New Prisons will be built in high unemployment areas to house the anticipated huge increase in prison population. Funding for prisons will come from the slave labour enforced upon inmates, who’ll receive bed and board only, instead of the “Prison wage” as at present. 
(7) Minimum wage increased to £10ph, paid for by removal of all benefits currently paid out for doing naff all. If an employer makes an operating loss by employing people on such a wage, then he’ll get tax breaks for businesses in a similar fashion to the low paid individual now - ie a tax credit system for small businesses. Anyone attempting to “fiddle” the system by giving out loads of jobs for friends and family will still have to pay the wage to them first, and claim back the business tax credit for them later. This massively reduces unemployment from the encouragement of labour intensive business structures.
Efficient businesses will be discouraged from becoming “inefficient” at the cost of jobs and pay. Only highly productive workers will cause a business to make money enough to not claim government handouts, which encourages firms to be a lot more choosy who they employ. This creates a better work ethic, and distills the good worker from the bad, whilst giving the now-employed workshy something to do with their time apart from hang around the shopping centre lifts, betting shops, and bars! 
(8) The free market structure would be based on the proper “Capitalist without Safeguards” system. Firms would be responsible for their entire business model risks, which means criminal charges and huge fines when things go wrong out of employer neglect. Liability insurance is only available to employers not receiving government handouts. Examples of these laws in action would be Directors going to jail for a H&S death on site, and a company being wound up for using cheap materials or otherwise fiddling the books/customers/staff in any way. The upside for firms would be a much higher profit margin from employing low-liability staff in the same way that keepers of animals that cover the insurance themselves are a lot better off than people paying out for so-called “pet insurance” which isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, and represents yet another public swindle currently operated by insurance companies. 
(9) DVLA is the only office permitted to issue Motor Insurance. The premiums are based purely on an individuals track record, and nothing else. This removes the need for a competitive marketplace which only ensures that 90%+ of insurance holders end up paying too much, as is currently the case. 
(10) Any foreign imports (including fuel) that are only there for foreign policy purposes are tariffed so high as to discourage their overpriced sale in this country.
Foreign goods sold here therefore must be substantially cheaper, or there won’t be enough room to set the tariff upon them. 
(11) Transport - Foreign plated vehicles pay a standardised tariff to enter the country, levied at the port of entry. This levy will be £10 x gross tonnage per day. This encourages foreign hauliers to drop their loads at depots near the port of entry (still costing £380 for an artic!), and get back on the damned ferry, leaving UK hauliers to “freight forward” all the goods around the country instead! A huge increase in transport-related employment will grow around the UK ports as a result of this simple measure which costs the taxpayer NOTHING. So what we ■■■■ off the continent? - Don’t we want UKIP to implement just such measures as these? Brussels fines us, fine - we just default ALL euro agreements, including the fines, and leave outright. They need our trade more than we need theirs after all. This big push would be the one thing needed to get rid of all that other eurotrash whilst we’re at it…
Speak up! - lest ye all go quietly into the night instead!
Winseer:
pavaroti:
What is the point in objecting to high fuel prices in the UK without taking a stand against what the tax is spent on? Address the root causes, fuel tax problem solved.Abolish the nonsense that is tax credits, £30 billion saved and fuel tax can be eliminated.
Tighten up the free for all that is the welfare state and get the economy moving.
If you abolish tax credits, you’ll need to up the minimum wage to about £10ph FIRST. Tax credits only exist because of low pay. Scrap low pay before you scrap high credits, or we’ll ALL be racing each other to the bottom!
My public savings budget would be cutting:-
(1) Bureaucrats - Getting the job done first, and worrying about how much admin it’ll cost later.
(2) Foreign Aid - If “Time’s 'are 'ard”, then it’s about time we got some net inflows from those up and coming countries, including India!
(3) Reforming Both houses of Parliament. Each county has a single MP, and each town a Chief Councillor reporting to that MP. This would cut the commons bill alone by 75%.
The Lords would only be able to sit if their estates provide an income (taxation) to the state for normal (non evaded) taxes.
(4) Compulsory voting. Voting to be allowed via IP addresses combined with the electoral register. If you can’t be arsed to vote on your home computer, then use the library. Not complying is dealt with the same way is refusal to fill in the census.
The net result of all this would be all those who normally can’t be arsed to vote, would now likely vote “anyone but the incumbent” instead, which is healthy for the democratic process.
(5) Banks pay supertax on all profits made from UK citizens. Retail Banking will end up becoming a non-profit organisation (so the banks can avoid paying so much tax upon it!) whilst more commercial effort is made abroad, so that perhaps the UK can buy up foreign enterprises in the future, rather than foreigners buying up all of OURS!
(6) Stealing from the public is an automatic custodial sentence. The laws regarding Tax Evasion merely need to be broadened across the entire public funds system to make this work at little extra cost. New Prisons will be built in high unemployment areas to house the anticipated huge increase in prison population. Funding for prisons will come from the slave labour enforced upon inmates, who’ll receive bed and board only, instead of the “Prison wage” as at present.
(7) Minimum wage increased to £10ph, paid for by removal of all benefits currently paid out for doing naff all. If an employer makes an operating loss by employing people on such a wage, then he’ll get tax breaks for businesses in a similar fashion to the low paid individual now - ie a tax credit system for small businesses. Anyone attempting to “fiddle” the system by giving out loads of jobs for friends and family will still have to pay the wage to them first, and claim back the business tax credit for them later. This massively reduces unemployment from the encouragement of labour intensive business structures.
Efficient businesses will be discouraged from becoming “inefficient” at the cost of jobs and pay. Only highly productive workers will cause a business to make money enough to not claim government handouts, which encourages firms to be a lot more choosy who they employ. This creates a better work ethic, and distills the good worker from the bad, whilst giving the now-employed workshy something to do with their time apart from hang around the shopping centre lifts, betting shops, and bars!(8) The free market structure would be based on the proper “Capitalist without Safeguards” system. Firms would be responsible for their entire business model risks, which means criminal charges and huge fines when things go wrong out of employer neglect. Liability insurance is only available to employers not receiving government handouts. Examples of these laws in action would be Directors going to jail for a H&S death on site, and a company being wound up for using cheap materials or otherwise fiddling the books/customers/staff in any way. The upside for firms would be a much higher profit margin from employing low-liability staff in the same way that keepers of animals that cover the insurance themselves are a lot better off than people paying out for so-called “pet insurance” which isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, and represents yet another public swindle currently operated by insurance companies.
(9) DVLA is the only office permitted to issue Motor Insurance. The premiums are based purely on an individuals track record, and nothing else. This removes the need for a competitive marketplace which only ensures that 90%+ of insurance holders end up paying too much, as is currently the case.
(10) Any foreign imports (including fuel) that are only there for foreign policy purposes are tariffed so high as to discourage their overpriced sale in this country.
Foreign goods sold here therefore must be substantially cheaper, or there won’t be enough room to set the tariff upon them.(11) Transport - Foreign plated vehicles pay a standardised tariff to enter the country, levied at the port of entry. This levy will be £10 x gross tonnage per day. This encourages foreign hauliers to drop their loads at depots near the port of entry (still costing £380 for an artic!), and get back on the damned ferry, leaving UK hauliers to “freight forward” all the goods around the country instead! A huge increase in transport-related employment will grow around the UK ports as a result of this simple measure which costs the taxpayer NOTHING. So what we ■■■■ off the continent? - Don’t we want UKIP to implement just such measures as these? Brussels fines us, fine - we just default ALL euro agreements, including the fines, and leave outright. They need our trade more than we need theirs after all. This big push would be the one thing needed to get rid of all that other eurotrash whilst we’re at it…
Speak up! - lest ye all go quietly into the night instead!
Exactly why you would never get in power lol
Winseer:
pavaroti:
What is the point in objecting to high fuel prices in the UK without taking a stand against what the tax is spent on? Address the root causes, fuel tax problem solved.Abolish the nonsense that is tax credits, £30 billion saved and fuel tax can be eliminated.
Tighten up the free for all that is the welfare state and get the economy moving.
If you abolish tax credits, you’ll need to up the minimum wage to about £10ph FIRST. Tax credits only exist because of low pay. Scrap low pay before you scrap high credits, or we’ll ALL be racing each other to the bottom!
My public savings budget would be cutting:-
(1) Bureaucrats - Getting the job done first, and worrying about how much admin it’ll cost later.
(2) Foreign Aid - If “Time’s 'are 'ard”, then it’s about time we got some net inflows from those up and coming countries, including India!
(3) Reforming Both houses of Parliament. Each county has a single MP, and each town a Chief Councillor reporting to that MP. This would cut the commons bill alone by 75%.
The Lords would only be able to sit if their estates provide an income (taxation) to the state for normal (non evaded) taxes.
(4) Compulsory voting. Voting to be allowed via IP addresses combined with the electoral register. If you can’t be arsed to vote on your home computer, then use the library. Not complying is dealt with the same way is refusal to fill in the census.
The net result of all this would be all those who normally can’t be arsed to vote, would now likely vote “anyone but the incumbent” instead, which is healthy for the democratic process.
(5) Banks pay supertax on all profits made from UK citizens. Retail Banking will end up becoming a non-profit organisation (so the banks can avoid paying so much tax upon it!) whilst more commercial effort is made abroad, so that perhaps the UK can buy up foreign enterprises in the future, rather than foreigners buying up all of OURS!
(6) Stealing from the public is an automatic custodial sentence. The laws regarding Tax Evasion merely need to be broadened across the entire public funds system to make this work at little extra cost. New Prisons will be built in high unemployment areas to house the anticipated huge increase in prison population. Funding for prisons will come from the slave labour enforced upon inmates, who’ll receive bed and board only, instead of the “Prison wage” as at present.
(7) Minimum wage increased to £10ph, paid for by removal of all benefits currently paid out for doing naff all. If an employer makes an operating loss by employing people on such a wage, then he’ll get tax breaks for businesses in a similar fashion to the low paid individual now - ie a tax credit system for small businesses. Anyone attempting to “fiddle” the system by giving out loads of jobs for friends and family will still have to pay the wage to them first, and claim back the business tax credit for them later. This massively reduces unemployment from the encouragement of labour intensive business structures.
Efficient businesses will be discouraged from becoming “inefficient” at the cost of jobs and pay. Only highly productive workers will cause a business to make money enough to not claim government handouts, which encourages firms to be a lot more choosy who they employ. This creates a better work ethic, and distills the good worker from the bad, whilst giving the now-employed workshy something to do with their time apart from hang around the shopping centre lifts, betting shops, and bars!(8) The free market structure would be based on the proper “Capitalist without Safeguards” system. Firms would be responsible for their entire business model risks, which means criminal charges and huge fines when things go wrong out of employer neglect. Liability insurance is only available to employers not receiving government handouts. Examples of these laws in action would be Directors going to jail for a H&S death on site, and a company being wound up for using cheap materials or otherwise fiddling the books/customers/staff in any way. The upside for firms would be a much higher profit margin from employing low-liability staff in the same way that keepers of animals that cover the insurance themselves are a lot better off than people paying out for so-called “pet insurance” which isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, and represents yet another public swindle currently operated by insurance companies.
(9) DVLA is the only office permitted to issue Motor Insurance. The premiums are based purely on an individuals track record, and nothing else. This removes the need for a competitive marketplace which only ensures that 90%+ of insurance holders end up paying too much, as is currently the case.
(10) Any foreign imports (including fuel) that are only there for foreign policy purposes are tariffed so high as to discourage their overpriced sale in this country.
Foreign goods sold here therefore must be substantially cheaper, or there won’t be enough room to set the tariff upon them.(11) Transport - Foreign plated vehicles pay a standardised tariff to enter the country, levied at the port of entry. This levy will be £10 x gross tonnage per day. This encourages foreign hauliers to drop their loads at depots near the port of entry (still costing £380 for an artic!), and get back on the damned ferry, leaving UK hauliers to “freight forward” all the goods around the country instead! A huge increase in transport-related employment will grow around the UK ports as a result of this simple measure which costs the taxpayer NOTHING. So what we ■■■■ off the continent? - Don’t we want UKIP to implement just such measures as these? Brussels fines us, fine - we just default ALL euro agreements, including the fines, and leave outright. They need our trade more than we need theirs after all. This big push would be the one thing needed to get rid of all that other eurotrash whilst we’re at it…
Firstly £10 per hour won’t be anywhere near enough to cover all the costs for individuals to cover their own health care and social security insurance policies and to get rid of the present so called ‘welfare state’ and NHS.Which are actually just a third rate service to subsidise cheap labour and to help the government balance the books by providing sub standard zb national insurance and health care ‘cover’ at a rip off price.While even the US idea of Capitalism without safeguards has to have an insurance based system to cover the costs of medical treatment and social security.
The issue of imports just needs to be dealt with on the basis of it it can be made here then it can’t be imported unless massive tarrifs are applied to make the stuff more expensive than domestically made products.However the idea of British hauliers all working here and no international work would actually mean less work than would be potentially available by making international work subject to quotas in which at least 50% of all loads leaving and entering the country have to be delivered and collected using British based trucks and all road fuel duty to be removed.
Last but not least.Britain leaves the EU as of midnight tomorrow which means that at least we can get rid of all VAT and replace it with the 8% purchase tax that applied before we joined.
limeyphil:
pavaroti:
What is the point in objecting to high fuel prices in the UK without taking a stand against what the tax is spent on? Address the root causes, fuel tax problem solved.Abolish the nonsense that is tax credits, £30 billion saved and fuel tax can be eliminated.
Tighten up the free for all that is the welfare state and get the economy moving.
ban the minimum wage.
it sets a precedent.
Christ don’t do that lol, all the Europeans in my area will drive the class one rates down to £2.50 per hour straight through !!!
If you’re going to hit “Quote” all the time, then at least highlight the relevant bits before adding a tiny amount of text that just turns my essays into a club to beat other readers over the head with!
At least the election results have cheered me up!
I always like to see the incumbents get a pasting…
Winseer:
If you’re going to hit “Quote” all the time, then at least highlight the relevant bits before adding a tiny amount of text that just turns my essays into a club to beat other readers over the head with!At least the election results have cheered me up!
I always like to see the incumbents get a pasting…
Browsing on my mobile, this one is just for you tho 
Winseer:
If you’re going to hit “Quote” all the time, then at least highlight the relevant bits before adding a tiny amount of text that just turns my essays into a club to beat other readers over the head with!At least the election results have cheered me up!
I always like to see the incumbents get a pasting…
Essays?? Er not quite my understanding of the term but hey ho, and no need to highlight anything as ‘relevant’ as it was all total boolocks
Agreed
Winseer:
If you abolish tax credits, you’ll need to up the minimum wage to about £10ph FIRST. Tax credits only exist because of low pay. Scrap low pay before you scrap high credits, or we’ll ALL be racing each other to the bottom!
yeah, but then these minimum wages will come from the employers pocket. Now fat cats in Tesco etc pay minimum wage, because they know that we will all supply their workers from our taxes and they cash out huge profits despite the crisis times. That should change.
Phantom Mark:
Christ don’t do that lol, all the Europeans in my area will drive the class one rates down to £2.50 per hour straight through !!!
Yeah, off course, because they are idiots and they don’t dream about anything else but to earn LESS.
orys:
Phantom Mark:
Christ don’t do that lol, all the Europeans in my area will drive the class one rates down to £2.50 per hour straight through !!!Yeah, off course, because they are idiots and they don’t dream about anything else but to earn LESS.
That seems like exactly what happened when they failed to do exactly the same thing as British unions did over the years in increasing their own living standards.Ironically it all eventually ended up with the situation of unions like Solidarity and east european workers supporting leaders here like Thatcher and the situation of East European workers helping to put British ones out of work with their cheap labour competition and then coming here to take advantage of our hard won higher living standards.All of which just had the opposite effect of flooding the labour market here with even more cheap labour with the resulting contribution which that had to the current wage levels here now.
Carryfast:
orys:
Phantom Mark:
Christ don’t do that lol, all the Europeans in my area will drive the class one rates down to £2.50 per hour straight through !!!Yeah, off course, because they are idiots and they don’t dream about anything else but to earn LESS.
That seems like exactly what happened when they failed to do exactly the same thing as British unions did over the years in increasing their own living standards.Ironically it all eventually ended up with the situation of unions like Solidarity and east european workers supporting leaders here like Thatcher and the situation of East European workers helping to put British ones out of work with their cheap labour competition and then coming here to take advantage of our hard won higher living standards.All of which just had the opposite effect of flooding the labour market here with even more cheap labour with the resulting contribution which that had to the current wage levels here now.
If we get a referendum on "in or out " of the EU how will you vote CF ? Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
orys:
Phantom Mark:
Christ don’t do that lol, all the Europeans in my area will drive the class one rates down to £2.50 per hour straight through !!!Yeah, off course, because they are idiots and they don’t dream about anything else but to earn LESS.
That seems like exactly what happened when they failed to do exactly the same thing as British unions did over the years in increasing their own living standards.Ironically it all eventually ended up with the situation of unions like Solidarity and east european workers supporting leaders here like Thatcher and the situation of East European workers helping to put British ones out of work with their cheap labour competition and then coming here to take advantage of our hard won higher living standards.All of which just had the opposite effect of flooding the labour market here with even more cheap labour with the resulting contribution which that had to the current wage levels here now.
If we get a referendum on "in or out " of the EU how will you vote CF ? Cheers Bewick.
No contest Bewick but with the proviso that they put a time scale on our withdrawl of within 24 hours of the election just to make sure that the zb’s aren’t bs ing judging by how much we can trust the politicians when they’ve made promises to get into power in the past.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
orys:
Phantom Mark:
Christ don’t do that lol, all the Europeans in my area will drive the class one rates down to £2.50 per hour straight through !!!Yeah, off course, because they are idiots and they don’t dream about anything else but to earn LESS.
That seems like exactly what happened when they failed to do exactly the same thing as British unions did over the years in increasing their own living standards.Ironically it all eventually ended up with the situation of unions like Solidarity and east european workers supporting leaders here like Thatcher and the situation of East European workers helping to put British ones out of work with their cheap labour competition and then coming here to take advantage of our hard won higher living standards.All of which just had the opposite effect of flooding the labour market here with even more cheap labour with the resulting contribution which that had to the current wage levels here now.
If we get a referendum on "in or out " of the EU how will you vote CF ? Cheers Bewick.
No contest Bewick but with the proviso that they put a time scale on our withdrawl of within 24 hours of the election just to make sure that the zb’s aren’t bs ing judging by how much we can trust the politicians when they’ve made promises to get into power in the past.
Well that makes 2 of us CF,can I count on your vote,along with mine,for UKIP then? I always hoped you wern’t the total ■■■■ you aspired to be so “good on you” CF I hope to live long enough to see us break free from the EU as if we are heading down the toilet or up the creek without a paddle well at least we will go down fighting our own corner and not be burdened with the Frogs,Wops and Krauts et al !!! will we ? “Carryfast for Mayor of Dorking” Cheers Bewick.
Carryfast:
orys:
Phantom Mark:
Christ don’t do that lol, all the Europeans in my area will drive the class one rates down to £2.50 per hour straight through !!!Yeah, off course, because they are idiots and they don’t dream about anything else but to earn LESS.
That seems like exactly what happened when they failed to do exactly the same thing as British unions did over the years in increasing their own living standards.Ironically it all eventually ended up with the situation of unions like Solidarity and east european workers supporting leaders here like Thatcher and the situation of East European workers helping to put British ones out of work with their cheap labour competition and then coming here to take advantage of our hard won higher living standards.All of which just had the opposite effect of flooding the labour market here with even more cheap labour with the resulting contribution which that had to the current wage levels here now.
Blah blah blah. Since discussion with you is pointless, as we had occasion to learn several times, I will just mention that the Eastern Europeans who came here where the salaries were bigger succeeded well in inproving their own living standards, just as Britons were doing when They were going to other, better paying countries to compete with locals.
But I am telling about the situation now: since it’s already possible to earn more driving for Polish company than for British, who on Earth would be stupid enough to work here for 2.40 per hour while living costs here are still much higher?