the nodding donkey:
To give this subject a bit of substance, let’s widen the scope…
To pay for enhanced pay rates, you would expect the charges to the customer to go up? After all the transport company is making a special delivery on a special day.
What about shop workers? Should they be paid extra for working Sundays? Bank Holidays ?
Should the shop than adjust the price of goods on those days, to pay for those enhanced pay rates? After all, the shop doesn’t have to open during weekends or bank holidays…
Are you willing to pay extra for a pint of milk on Sunday afternoon?
This guy gets what I’m trying to imply well done sir , pity rest if you don’t grasp my point , and no I’m not a troll !
joebloggs:
This guy gets what I’m trying to imply well done sir , pity rest if you don’t grasp my point , and no I’m not a troll !
Ok mate fair enough, I get it now, you were not trolling just generating debate. A style perfected by the late great broadcaster Mike Dickin on Talk Sport.
Devil’s advocate is the label you are looking for.
the nodding donkey:
To give this subject a bit of substance, let’s widen the scope…
To pay for enhanced pay rates, you would expect the charges to the customer to go up? After all the transport company is making a special delivery on a special day.
What about shop workers? Should they be paid extra for working Sundays? Bank Holidays ?
Should the shop than adjust the price of goods on those days, to pay for those enhanced pay rates? After all, the shop doesn’t have to open during weekends or bank holidays…
Are you willing to pay extra for a pint of milk on Sunday afternoon?
I think the holidays round Christmas should be regarded as special. therefore if you are required to work during those Bank Holidays you should get extra pay. Other Bank Holidays maybe not so much.
If we just accept that they are another working day if your shift coincides with them, how long before they disappear for many workers, just celebrated by the elite while us underlings serve them?
As for the extra pay, leading to extra cost, I doubt the shops would put the price up over one day more they’d cover that over the year, the same way they plan costs of staff holidays etc, or should we do away with paid annual leave as it increases business costs.
And if you can’t afford the extra costs of opening on a Christmas Bank Holiday stay closed?
how many shopping day do we need each year.
I usually start at 5am, my boss asked me to do a run ‘darn sarf’ and would I come in at half 2 or 3am?
How much extra you paying?
Nothing.
Get an agency in then.
I can’t, they want double rate.
I never went but one bum licker did and now does it regular for normal pay.
It gives me great pleasure in refusing to let him in front of me to tip and he has to use a 9 off to make his time to get up early.
muckles:
And if you can’t afford the extra costs of opening on a Christmas Bank Holiday stay closed?
how many shopping day do we need each year.
Would you stand for parliament please Muckles, Heaven knows we need the voice of logic and reason there.
Flattered though I am, I really couldn’t be trusted with power, just for the hell of it I’d have the M6 resurfaced with strawberry jelly, and Rachel Riley, reading the Queens speech, dressed in a bikini and jumping on a trampoline.
Is that the sort of person you want running the country?
Honked:
I usually start at 5am, my boss asked me to do a run ‘darn sarf’ and would I come in at half 2 or 3am?
How much extra you paying?
Nothing.
Get an agency in then.
I can’t, they want double rate.
I never went but one bum licker did and now does it regular for normal pay.
It gives me great pleasure in refusing to let him in front of me to tip and he has to use a 9 off to make his time to get up early.
joebloggs:
Full time drivers have the benefit of job security and 30 days paid holiday
I agreed with much of what you said but… “Job Security” Anyone that still thinks job security exists is
living in the past, harking back to the ‘Good Old Days’ and has clearly not moved with the times!
C’mon, face it man… you’re like all of us, nothing more than an employee number and represented on a financial
spreadsheet within the business!
If you start to become unprofitable, or your company fails to win or keep lucrative contracts needed to keep the ship afloat you’ll be thrown overboard like anyone else… sad but true!
Job Security is DEAD and it’s NOT coming back… so everyone should have a contingency plan if the inevitable happens!
Ask yourself, how many months could I survive and pay my bills if my job disappeared tomorrow… unless you’re a great saver, most of us are just one pay cheque away from disaster!
the nodding donkey:
To give this subject a bit of substance, let’s widen the scope…
To pay for enhanced pay rates, you would expect the charges to the customer to go up? After all the transport company is making a special delivery on a special day.
What about shop workers? Should they be paid extra for working Sundays? Bank Holidays ?
Should the shop than adjust the price of goods on those days, to pay for those enhanced pay rates? After all, the shop doesn’t have to open during weekends or bank holidays…
Are you willing to pay extra for a pint of milk on Sunday afternoon?
I think the holidays round Christmas should be regarded as special. therefore if you are required to work during those Bank Holidays you should get extra pay. Other Bank Holidays maybe not so much.
If we just accept that they are another working day if your shift coincides with them, how long before they disappear for many workers, just celebrated by the elite while us underlings serve them?
As for the extra pay, leading to extra cost, I doubt the shops would put the price up over one day more they’d cover that over the year, the same way they plan costs of staff holidays etc, or should we do away with paid annual leave as it increases business costs.
And if you can’t afford the extra costs of opening on a Christmas Bank Holiday stay closed?
how many shopping day do we need each year.
As do most transport businesses where (bank) holidays are ‘normal’ working days. Wether the added rates are really reflected in the overall pay, will always be a subject of discussion.
I guess that most businesses that work these holidays days, will make that clear at interview, and it is usually the total package that makes it worth it. Rolling shifts mean time of in the week, and often shift work with predictable times and usually home every day. Or time in lieu For some this suits, for others not so. A bit like tramping.
muckles:
And if you can’t afford the extra costs of opening on a Christmas Bank Holiday stay closed?
how many shopping day do we need each year.
Would you stand for parliament please Muckles, Heaven knows we need the voice of logic and reason there.
Flattered though I am, I really couldn’t be trusted with power, just for the hell of it I’d have the M6 resurfaced with strawberry jelly, and Rachel Riley, reading the Queens speech, dressed in a bikini and jumping on a trampoline.
Is that the sort of person you want running the country?
rambo19:
We have moved to situation where companies are paying the same rate 24/7, which is wrong.
Bank holidays/weekends/nights should all have extra pay.
I keep banging on about all this stuff to the point that even I am sick of hearing myself, never mind you lot, so sorry in advance.
IT ALWAYS WAS , but that and most other t.s and c.s that our Grandfathers fought tooth and nail for in the past, has been handed back on a platter, because nobody had the balls to maintain a stance, which by far was for their own good and welfare, but instead just rolled over, to the point where we are today …where they just do wtf they please to us.
And yet again i’ll bore the rest of you , on unionised companies with negotiated Ts and Cs, if there is bank hol working its negotiated into the agreement so whilst it might appear that the pay is the same, its more than made up over the rest of the year, same with weekend working.
Overtime bank hol rate where i work is serious money, but if you are on shift then its your normal shift rate, again that rate takes into account such days.
This year my shift pattern has turned up trumps over the break, next year i’ll have to work 3 days between Christmas and New Year, can’t complain, i knew all that when i took the job on.
rambo19:
We have moved to situation where companies are paying the same rate 24/7, which is wrong.
Bank holidays/weekends/nights should all have extra pay.
I keep banging on about all this stuff to the point that even I am sick of hearing myself, never mind you lot, so sorry in advance.
IT ALWAYS WAS , but that and most other t.s and c.s that our Grandfathers fought tooth and nail for in the past, has been handed back on a platter, because nobody had the balls to maintain a stance, which by far was for their own good and welfare, but instead just rolled over, to the point where we are today …where they just do wtf they please to us.
M predictions for 2017: Rob Roy to become prime minister and Juddian as chancellor of the Exchequer!!
Two decent guys who actually tell it like it is and with conviction!!
joebloggs:
Full time drivers have the benefit of job security and 30 days paid holiday
I agreed with much of what you said but… “Job Security” Anyone that still thinks job security exists is
living in the past, harking back to the ‘Good Old Days’ and has clearly not moved with the times!
C’mon, face it man… you’re like all of us, nothing more than an employee number and represented on a financial
spreadsheet within the business!
If you start to become unprofitable, or your company fails to win or keep lucrative contracts needed to keep the ship afloat you’ll be thrown overboard like anyone else… sad but true!
Job Security is DEAD and it’s NOT coming back… so everyone should have a contingency plan if the inevitable happens!
Ask yourself, how many months could I survive and pay my bills if my job disappeared tomorrow… unless you’re a great saver, most of us are just one pay cheque away from disaster!
Maybe getting another job would be a solution. Or, sign up for one of these “work when I want, for the rate of pay I ask for” agency gigs.
At my bus garage, years ago the drivers sold their overtime rate for a one off payment of £500!
As my grandad always said “the working man is his own worst enemy”.
rambo19:
At my bus garage, years ago the drivers sold their overtime rate for a one off payment of £500!
As my grandad always said “the working man is his own worst enemy”.
You can lead the buggers to water mate etc etc.
You can equally tell people till they are blue in the face to ignore the bonuses or other little sweeteners which depend on a set of circs to be triggered before you get them (the blue eyed bosses/planers mates usually go for these cos they get looked after for stitching up the others) , you get as much as you can on the basic and that for as few hours as possible, whats on the basic for normal non premium is what you cannot drop below.
It never fails to surprise me just how cheap so many can be bought for, can’t see past next weeks/months pay packet, one good ■■■■ up and all that £500 bribe would have been blown
Juddian:
And yet again i’ll bore the rest of you , on unionised companies with negotiated Ts and Cs, if there is bank hol working its negotiated into the agreement so whilst it might appear that the pay is the same, its more than made up over the rest of the year, same with weekend working.
Overtime bank hol rate where i work is serious money, but if you are on shift then its your normal shift rate, again that rate takes into account such days.
This year my shift pattern has turned up trumps over the break, next year i’ll have to work 3 days between Christmas and New Year, can’t complain, i knew all that when i took the job on.
Fully agree. Heavily unionised at our place with lots of perks because of that. My normal rest days are Sunday and Monday so because I was off I got paid bank holiday rates for both Tuesday and Wednesday. Serious wedge too.
joebloggs:
Why do some drivers think they should be paid more money for working new years day etc when they are on a full time contract which states an hourly pay regardless of day
Do they think they’re employer who has contracts with his customer is going to charge more for bank holidays etc , is he heck!
I fully understand agency drivers etc getting enhanced rates for these days as its not full time employment
I know this will get the usual response , but not all hauliers’ are big blue chip company’s and I bet they struggle to earn anything on the days that trucks have to have drivers in them on enhanced pay just to keep the wheels rolling so to speak
Full time drivers have the benefit of job security and 30 days paid holiday
Even small firms pay double or treble time plus,days off in leu on bank holidays .What nonsense .
, on unionised companies with negotiated Ts and Cs, if there is bank hol working its negotiated into the agreement so whilst it might appear that the pay is the same, its more than made up over the rest of the year, same with weekend working.