Expired tacho - disciplinary

no but it is their job to make sure you are 100% legal i would say. you notified them you did what you thought was right. if no one bothered to pass on messages etc etc thats not your issue

not according to DVSA printout and its their unwavering position, they’re not budging.

At this point I’m thinking of getting legal advice, do you guys think it’s worth it? also any referrals for a decent lawyer would be greatly appreciated.

Don’t waste your time chap. It’s horrifically expensive, and unless you got to the point of an employment tribunal (very unlikely, as they appear to have made this watertight), you have very little going in your favour. A solicitors hourly rate is around £300 per hour, and a paralegal £150.

If you’ve legal cover on a home insurance policy for example, they maybe call them, as they often offer over the phone legal advice. Personally I would say ■■■■ them, shake their hand and find a different horse on this merry go round.

That’s if it comes to that, though. As @robroy summed up perfectly, it’s hardly a capital offence, so ■■■■ knows why they’re so far up ya!

If they can let you drive if you’re card is faulty or lost i can’t see a problem with regulation

It’s the forgetting to renew and still driving that’s the problem, although you say you have that covered because you asked

Can’t really see a major problem isn’t the machine still recording everything

Some will say you should never be allowed drive a truck again, others will say you should have used your head and said you lost or misplaced it, and others will say don’t be worried just enjoy paid time off

That is correct, however the company are dodging the issue that the line manager was told before the card expired that expiry was imminent and (s)he failed to raise the matter with the Transport Manager. He should then have either suspended you, allocated non driving work, or asked you to take holiday.

As has been mentioned there is a record of your activities for the relevant three days. Although it is an ‘absolute offence’, there doesn’t appear to be any intention to deceive. I cannot see that dismissing you for gross misconduct is either justified or achieves anything to benefit you or the company. The company are still causing or permitting an offence because they don’t have a monitoring sytem in place for drivers’ digicard expiry.

As for the company possibly thinking this will go away after 28 days, yes it may well possibly roadside, but drivers’ hours records have to be kept for 12 months.

I’d be digging my heels in here. Yeah you screwed up by letting your card lapse, with all due respect you are a grown up now and are responsible for your actions. However, the company should have known better, and in the old days they would have done. Today though you have rafts of pointy shoed middle management who have been promoted waaaay beyond their abilities, and as such they will be desperate to be seen “to be doing something “.

Personally speaking if they sack you I’d then be contacting a transport focused legal firm and taking them for constructive dismissal.

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Yeah got the boot…oh well

Keep on truckin’ :love_you_gesture:

They just wanted to make sure I wasnt stopped thats why the suspension for exactly 28 days (Sept 15-Oct 13), they minimized their chances of being audited.

Ok start another job (plenty out there) with the money they paid you for stsying at home, and move on.

Did you leave them with a head held eye parting shot?

Oh yeah and get some legal advice to see how you stand for screwing more money out of them for maybe unfair dismissal.

As I often say when my lot give me grief then expect something done over and above what they pay me to do..
‘‘F. em’’

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oh yeah I’m definitely taking this to court. I told the cun.t I’ll be seeing him soon, the fact they didn’t stop me is not only breach of contract but breach of H&S.

They broke three laws by allowing me to drive after I sent them incorrect ref number (that starts with TA): Licence Checks - Driver Licence Checking - Drivetech (ADLV)

I found a similar case Wincanton plc v Atkinson and another [2011] UKEAT/0040/11 | Croner-i where two geezers were driving without ADR certification, but the major difference is that they haven’t even applied, while I applied and submitted ref number. (Im guessing they knew they wouldn’t pass medicals.

And it’s not even about the money, I’m gonna get back there and rub it in their noses.

Thanks mate.

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Make sure the traffic cominsoner knows about it as well

No need to notify TC, it’s not a conviction

You definitely need legal,advise. The quotes you gave relate to driving licences, not tacho cards, so you could drive the vehicle but couldn’t keep records. .
If th6 followed their procedure you’re fairly mullered

And if you’ve been with them for less than 2 years!!,

‘‘No win no fee’’
Nothing to lose and anything you may win is a bonus.

No fee, but you’re still up for any costs.

About the company

Usually the caveat of no win - no fed is once you sign up you have to go the full distance. If you then back out. You end up paying ALL costs and when they’d charge a couple of £00 an hour that’s suddenly a lot.

couple years ago I won unfair dismissal from a bakery they tried to force me to take unroadworthy lorry when I refused they sacked me. I settled for 5k but solicitor took 25% on no win-no fee.

if I can prove that their negligence from not checking my digicard validity and allowing me to drive constitutes breach of H&S, I have a case.

Not sure how having a valid digits is an H&S issue. It’s funny how everyone hates anything H&S until it suits them!!

Not sure why they felt they had to do the 28 day ■■■■, as an audit is just that, an audit. They’re required to keep that data for 2 years anyway. It would stick out like a purple helmet….

Being stopped in that time would just accelerate their arse being tanned. A fine for you, and a likely PI for them…

But, I’d say the fact they did that, to essentially hide it, works in your favour. But to be fair, you’re fighting an uphill battle. But as you’ve got form for an Employment Tribunal anyway, ■■■■ it, crack on pal, we’re all rooting for ya! :partying_face::partying_face::partying_face:

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You could turn “ King’s Evidence” by using the whistle blower’s line to DVSA and finding out your likely penalty from them. You’ll get a fine lose a day at the PI and expect the compny to lie through its teeth regarding the line manager. May not be a good thing career wise if this is a haulier rather than a conglomerate. Then if sucessful you go for wrongful dismissal.