robthedog:
stuwozere1:
Several agency turned up at our place the other day without DCPC and expected to go out. TM checked them all though and sent them packingSent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk
Boris is scrapping it
and he’s going to be the first to lie down in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow runway 3.
and he told Petronella that he’s pull ‘little Boris’ out before he dribbled.
Every time he touches his face, he is telling a lie. Watch him.
GasGas:
The trouble is that lots of gullible people believed the lies told by UKIP about DCPC being done away with by Brexit.
Can you provide a link to back up this claim that UKIP said that the DCPC would be scrapped if we left the eu please?
Twoninety88:
Sat through five modules last week against my better judgement.
Now that is seriously ■■■■■■■■. I did two one week and it nearly killed me.
You get serious respect from me for that one. 
Harry Monk:
GasGas:
The trouble is that lots of gullible people believed the lies told by UKIP about DCPC being done away with by Brexit.Can you provide a link to back up this claim that UKIP said that the DCPC would be scrapped if we left the eu please?
Hurryup&wait:
Twoninety88:
Sat through five modules last week against my better judgement.Now that is seriously ■■■■■■■■. I did two one week and it nearly killed me.
You get serious respect from me for that one.
I did 2 in one year and I thought that was seriously ■■■■■■■■ 
GasGas:
Harry Monk:
GasGas:
The trouble is that lots of gullible people believed the lies told by UKIP about DCPC being done away with by Brexit.Can you provide a link to back up this claim that UKIP said that the DCPC would be scrapped if we left the eu please?
So not an article which claims that the DCPC was going to be scrapped after Brexit then?
Sadly Harry, there’s a considerable number of people out there who read articles like that and took them to mean that DCPC would be abolished, and hence left their training to the last minute. I did a lot of research in the spring and summer among DCPC trainers and they reported that people had been very reluctant to book DCPC courses through the last cycle because ‘it will be done away with by Brexit’.
returnloads.net/news/ukip-p … river-cpc/
Bear in mind that the pre-vote promise was Brexit will mean getting rid of Brussels but retaining all the benefits of access to the single-market without any of the costs.
“The easiest deal in history”
Fascinating. If a lot of drivers have now let their september '19 due DCPC lapse, then it can only accelerate the shortage of drivers to “biting point” where a rather rapid rise in hourly rates, starting with agency rates - comes about…
Of course, if I were an employer - I’d have a big push RIGHT NOW to take on a load of new full time drivers - just before these open market rates start to rise… 
I’m looking for a sunday-wednesday four-night shift contract for example, but the “good” contracts seem to have all dried up.
Hence, I’m not looking for full time employment at present, as I can simply choose to work four shifts on agency AND get to pick which four to boot.
Who wants a “Any five from seven” these days■■? On nights, that 5th shift eats well into your “first” day off each week, and thus leaves rather less leisure time, 25% more commutes, and reduces the availability of hours where one could “put in a bit extra” as well…
No thanks.
I’ll stay on agency - until 4x12 becomes generally available once again.
It isn’t as if employing someone for 4x12 costs more than employing them for 6x8 - is it? or 5x9.5 come to that…
Then there’s the aspect that on agency - you get the longer runs towards the end of the week that the full timers don’t have enough hours left to swallow amongst their own duties…
I happen to like the longer runs, being a trunker at heart, first and foremost.
I’m exactly where I want to be at the moment, and I’ll change about as and when I need to.
Not very happy about the increased liabilities associated with driving through the TfL gauntlet - but hopefully before long we’ll see a system of “Dot Com” type depots which artics run into, with vans making the final journeys into town in the not-too-distant future. 
Screenshot from the “Driver Certificate of Professional Competence Post Implementation Review”, the full article is available somewhere on gov.uk. Clearly there are no plans to scrap DCPC, why would there be? We’re not going to set ourselves so much apart from Europe that drivers could be refused work, just because a certain percentage of existing drivers resent it.
Zac_A:
0Screenshot from the “Driver Certificate of Professional Competence Post Implementation Review”, the full article is available somewhere on gov.uk. Clearly there are no plans to scrap DCPC, why would there be? We’re not going to set ourselves so much apart from Europe that drivers could be refused work, just because a certain percentage of existing drivers resent it.
Post 2004, virtually no British drivers do Euro work anyway so it’s largely irrelevant. DCPC could be made obligatory for those few drivers in specialist fields who still do it.
Zac_A:
0Screenshot from the “Driver Certificate of Professional Competence Post Implementation Review”, the full article is available somewhere on gov.uk. Clearly there are no plans to scrap DCPC, why would there be? We’re not going to set ourselves so much apart from Europe that drivers could be refused work, just because a certain percentage of existing drivers resent it.
Great isn’t it, these clowns who make the rules really do have no idea.
jongood:
Zac_A:
0Screenshot from the “Driver Certificate of Professional Competence Post Implementation Review”, the full article is available somewhere on gov.uk. Clearly there are no plans to scrap DCPC, why would there be? We’re not going to set ourselves so much apart from Europe that drivers could be refused work, just because a certain percentage of existing drivers resent it.
Great isn’t it, these clowns who make the rules really do have no idea.
I’ve done a total of 70 hours of DCPC training now and I can honestly say I have not learned one single thing that was of any use whatsoever. When I did it in 2012, we spent an entire afternoon learning what the minor driving licence categories were for mopeds, lawn mowers, invalid carriages and track laying vehicles steered by their tracks etc. Five minutes after the session ended I had forgotten the lot, and let’s face it if you needed to drive an invalid carriage (which haven’t actually existed for over 20 years anyway) then you are unlikely to also drive a truck.
This time we did an afternoon on “bridge bashing” and “make sure your truck and trailer are less tall than any bridge you pass beneath” was again strung out to three-and-a-half hours.
It is a totally pointless tax on our jobs and if UKIP/Brexit Party want to get rid of it then I’m 100% in favour.
DCPC won’t go as driving is far from the only industry with pointless repeat paper filling qualifications all of which cost the employees money to do and make loads of cash for more pointless gov organisations.
Used to work on a different job with annual refresher training and it was basically impossible to fail. I know there’s ones for shop pharmacists annually, electricians have one and nurses too. Totally pointless and often just “pay x to renew your licence” crap.
Wonder if we’ll ever have a licence to collect unemployment benefits? 
trevHCS:
DCPC won’t go as driving is far from the only industry with pointless repeat paper filling qualifications all of which cost the employees money to do and make loads of cash for more pointless gov organisations.
Yes, that’s the DCPC basically, make-work employment for its own sake. It’s the modern-day equivalent of the USSR employing elderly women to sit at the bottom of every escalator on the Moscow Metro and on every floor at every hotel.
Harry Monk:
jongood:
Zac_A:
0Screenshot from the “Driver Certificate of Professional Competence Post Implementation Review”, the full article is available somewhere on gov.uk. Clearly there are no plans to scrap DCPC, why would there be? We’re not going to set ourselves so much apart from Europe that drivers could be refused work, just because a certain percentage of existing drivers resent it.
Great isn’t it, these clowns who make the rules really do have no idea.
I’ve done a total of 70 hours of DCPC training now and I can honestly say I have not learned one single thing that was of any use whatsoever. When I did it in 2012, we spent an entire afternoon learning what the minor driving licence categories were for mopeds, lawn mowers, invalid carriages and track laying vehicles steered by their tracks etc. Five minutes after the session ended I had forgotten the lot, and let’s face it if you needed to drive an invalid carriage (which haven’t actually existed for over 20 years anyway) then you are unlikely to also drive a truck.
This time we did an afternoon on “bridge bashing” and “make sure your truck and trailer are less tall than any bridge you pass beneath” was again strung out to three-and-a-half hours.
It is a totally pointless tax on our jobs and if UKIP/Brexit Party want to get rid of it then I’m 100% in favour.
The licence thing sounds like a waste of time…although there are some drivers who, for example, don’t realise the implication of putting a trailer behind a 7.5-tonne truck if they only hold a C1 licence. And there was a recent question from someone who thought they couldn’t drive a solo tractor on a Cat C licence.
The bridge thing…well ,it sounds stupid…but then think how often we see reports of bridge-bashing on here.
My own feeling is that anyone who went to school from the 1960s onwards has been educated in the metric system…so why are bridge heights still shown in feet and inches?
In his current position, Jacob Reek-Mudd is going to be in charge of the refurbishment of the Houses of Parliament. He has insisted that all measurements are done in Imperial. I do not know a single builder who works in anything other than mm. It should be fun.
GasGas:
Harry Monk:
jongood:
Zac_A:
[attachment=0]Screenshot from 2019-09-15 13-38-39.png[/attachmentIn his current position, Jacob Reek-Mudd is going to be in charge of the refurbishment of the Houses of Parliament. He has insisted that all measurements are done in Imperial. I do not know a single builder who works in anything other than mm. It should be fun.
could it possibly be anything to do with the fact it was built in feet and inches? Nowt to do with the B word, more to do with standardisation. But I stand to be corrected. Regards Kev.
The drivers CPC is the biggest load of BS to hit this industry in a long time. Cracks me up when the trainers try and justify their jobs.
Funnily enough the first aid day I did twice [emoji849] was the best part of the course. The rest was just bobbins.
Fine, make new passes sit the course once when they first pass.
Anything I don’t know and need to know I can research myself or the company I am working for can tell me.
As an aside and not wanting to start a right or wrong but makes me think of the ■■■■■■■■ chaps in the past who used to do the proper runs abroad when you can now get sacked for smoking a cigarette in the truck. [emoji23]
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GasGas:
The trouble is that lots of gullible people believed the lies told by UKIP about DCPC being done away with by Brexit.
The reality was, that was not going to happen. For instance they have the Driver CPC in Norway, which is not and never has been in the EU.
Just one example of a ‘unicorn’: a promise made by UKIP/Brexit/Conservative Party promising some impossible benefit from leaving the EU.
There will be more ‘unicorns’ to come, for sure.
Lots of guilible people, whether they were Leave or Remain I’ve yet to meet one who seriously believes that, as we’ve seen here, most have as little trust in our own politicians, let alone those in the EU and they believe the DCPC is another stealth tax so won’t get abolished.
So stop trying to spin it round to your agenda, I believe you have some journalistic experience, so why not use it and find out the age of these drivers who are letting their DCPC lapse or if they’ve already left driving and moved to other forms of employment?
Alarmingly, the biggest tranches of ‘leavers’ is from those who have acquired their licences in the last 5 years and the under 25s (obviously there’s an overlap), according to the FTA. The people who have been in the industry the longest are the most likely not to leave unless forced to for medical or retirement reasons.
I suspect that it’s the long hours and poor roadside facilities which drive the new entrants away.
It is those offering DCPC training who have told me that people were refusing to book courses because “it would be done away with by Brexit”.
In fact, the first phase of the Brexit process was Parliament passing a bill that wrote every piece of EU legislation into UK law, so far from ‘doing away with Brussels’, we’ve moved it to London!
Still, we will have blue passports (printed in France).
GasGas:
Alarmingly, the biggest tranches of ‘leavers’ is from those who have acquired their licences in the last 5 years and the under 25s (obviously there’s an overlap), according to the FTA. The people who have been in the industry the longest are the most likely not to leave unless forced to for medical or retirement reasons.I suspect that it’s the long hours and poor roadside facilities which drive the new entrants away.
It is those offering DCPC training who have told me that people were refusing to book courses because “it would be done away with by Brexit”.
In fact, the first phase of the Brexit process was Parliament passing a bill that wrote every piece of EU legislation into UK law, so far from ‘doing away with Brussels’, we’ve moved it to London!
Still, we will have blue passports (printed in France).
How do those offering DCPC training know people are refusing to book a course because of Brexit? If I wasn’t going to book a course I just wouldn’t call the training company in the first place, especially to tell them why I wasn’t doing it.
As for the Blue passports, wasn’t that partly because we have to following EU contract tendering procedures?
Personally I’m not bothered where it’s printed or what colour it is, although apparently we have been told we could have always had a Blue passport, no doubt not told at the time as which ever government we had was ideologically wed to the idea of the EU, so wouldn’t consider something so simple that would have appeased many not so keen, I’m sure there are many more examples of stuff being forced through by very Pro EU governments, or in the case of Tony Blair looking at getting the Commission Presidents job, the power hungry, warmonger.
