Morning all,
The law says he has to ask for an extention.
Can someone point out :
What if he asks for one day !!!
They laugh, we move on having asked. ■■?
Also looks like Hungrary may cause a problem for the EU.
Intresting, Harvey
Franglais - Margaret Thatcher did indeed try and succeed in getting some favourable changes and exemptions for the United Kingdom from Europe during her time as Prime Minister, but that time ended almost thirty years ago and a great deal has changed since then. What was at that time the European Economic Community has morphed almost unchallenged into the European Union of today, with very much more centralisation of control and decision-making already in place, and more planned for the near future. I don’t honestly believe that Mrs Thatcher would have approved. It has been said that “we didn’t know what we were voting for” in the referendum, and this is true. We can’t possibly know in detail what might happen after Brexit because we still don’t know what sort of a deal we will go with, if any, and what new laws, terms and obstacles could be introduced in the meantime by those opposed to Britain leaving (Benn Act, etc.) . On the other hand, the majority didn’t know what is planned to happen if we stayed in the EU either, because the leaflet sent to nine million homes by the Tory government made no mention of the agenda for a unified army, monetary union and the axing of individual nation’s rights to veto and so on that the EU leadership intends to implement in the near future. Maybe if the information leaflet had been more forthcoming, the vote would have been far more decisive to leave. There were lies told on both sides. Not telling the truth is wrong, but concealing it is just as bad if not worse, knowing that the average voter would probably take government-supplied information as true and complete, and not bother to spend any time researching further. A cynical manipulation of the population to fulfil a federalist agenda?
fodenway:
Franglais - Margaret Thatcher did indeed try and succeed in getting some favourable changes and exemptions for the United Kingdom from Europe during her time as Prime Minister, but that time ended almost thirty years ago and a great deal has changed since then. What was at that time the European Economic Community has morphed almost unchallenged into the European Union of today, with very much more centralisation of control and decision-making already in place, and more planned for the near future. I don’t honestly believe that Mrs Thatcher would have approved. It has been said that “we didn’t know what we were voting for” in the referendum, and this is true. We can’t possibly know in detail what might happen after Brexit because we still don’t know what sort of a deal we will go with, if any, and what new laws, terms and obstacles could be introduced in the meantime by those opposed to Britain leaving (Benn Act, etc.) . On the other hand, the majority didn’t know what is planned to happen if we stayed in the EU either, because the leaflet sent to nine million homes by the Tory government made no mention of the agenda for a unified army, monetary union and the axing of individual nation’s rights to veto and so on that the EU leadership intends to implement in the near future. Maybe if the information leaflet had been more forthcoming, the vote would have been far more decisive to leave. There were lies told on both sides. Not telling the truth is wrong, but concealing it is just as bad if not worse, knowing that the average voter would probably take government-supplied information as true and complete, and not bother to spend any time researching further. A cynical manipulation of the population to fulfil a federalist agenda?
Just to pick up on that point in red.
I reckon there is a large proportion of the population that would vote against anything proposed by a Government.
By-elections etc always see a “protest vote” against the incumbent party. I suspect that may be a factor in referendums too. Looking at some of the personalities (on both sides) I can see some voting for anything just to stick one over on em.
Of course, there’s always a protest vote, but I wouldn’t have thought it was a “large proportion of the population” in this, or any other case.
And isn’t “withholding information” frowned upon in law?
Franglais:
Just to pick up on that point in red.
I reckon there is a large proportion of the population that would vote against anything proposed by a Government.
By-elections etc always see a “protest vote” against the incumbent party. I suspect that may be a factor in referendums too. Looking at some of the personalities (on both sides) I can see some voting for anything just to stick one over on em.
Usual zb.
Leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for.The leave vote was a protest vote.Leave voters are old,uneducated,wrong colour etc etc etc.
The fact is it should never even have gone to a vote anyway because no one has the right to vote the country out of existence and into foreign vassalage.While if it’s in defence of the country against a bunch of traitors handing it over to a foreign power subterfuge to stop it is fair game.Although the basic premise,that the EU costs us mega bucks in the form of net contributions and trade deficit while inflicting austerity at home to pay for it,is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
As for the deluded Tories making excuses for Thatcher.Which part of FCO 30/1048 was issued and hidden as part of our EEC member status don’t they understand.IE both Heath and her knew it was a centralised Federal zb pile and was only intentionally going to get moreso as time went on.
When it came to the day of the referendum I very nearly didn’t vote, in fact I left it to the last 30 minutes. I was sick to death of the EU, I hated it and wanted out at any price. I had seen none of the various articles which related how the scheming foreigners and our own politicians had lied and manipulated public opinion over the previous 40 years, whether this was my fault for not looking or whether it was skillfully sidelined by the media I don’t know - what I do know now is that no remainer wants engage on that issue. I had consigned the government £9 million propaganda lies to its rightful place down the toilet. I had heard all the scaremongering from the establishment and the outright threats from big business but in the end I had come to the conclusion, I am sure like so many others, that it would be a waste of my time bothering to vote because the remain campaign had done such a good job of brainwashing voters that the result would be a foregone conclusion. I turned off the Television at 10 o’clock and went to bed. I thought my wife was taking the ■■■■ when she told me the result in the morning.
Cav, I had similar feelings on the day of the referendum. I had stayed up a bit later, until just after midnight when the results had started coming in, seemingly constituency after constituency returning “remain”. I went to bed with a heavy heart. Upon waking around 06:15 next morning, I turned on the radio with reluctance to hear what I thought was the inevitable remain victory, but like you, couldn’t quite believe the result. Once I had heard “leave” a couple of times, a wave of genuine elation swept over me. I really hope to have that same feeling again, come the morning of the first of November. Roll on !
Is telling lies different then to not telling the whole truth .Why don’t the squeaky clean remainers put in plain english exactly what the EU have in store for us if we stay in ?
ramone:
Is telling lies different then to not telling the whole truth .Why don’t the squeaky clean remainers put in plain english exactly what the EU have in store for us if we stay in ?
Could it be because they know that if they had told the whole truth, they would have been in a very small minority after the referendum?
fodenway:
ramone:
Is telling lies different then to not telling the whole truth .Why don’t the squeaky clean remainers put in plain english exactly what the EU have in store for us if we stay in ?Could it be because they know that if they had told the whole truth, they would have been in a very small minority after the referendum?
But don’t you find it ironic that they slated May and now Boris but they are quite happy to hold back the consequences of remain then drop that magic word in that they most certainly are not … democratic
The Eu are now telling Boris its not a game , well looking from the outside i think that’s what the Eu and the remainers have been doing from day one , playing games , ridiculing May digging dirt on Boris anything to stop the result of this democratic referendum being implemented. Boris is turning the tables on the Eu and they don’t like it
It has become clear that far from it being Boris and the UK saying it is a take it or leave it deal, it is almost the other way round. In fact thanks to May agreeing to the terms imposed by the EU, it is a take it or stay deal. The sooner the public wake up to this the better. It would appear that the implementation of existing treaties, and future proposed EU plans, lead in addition to a UK remaining in the EU very shortly having almost no veto over any policy decision, instead being left with an obligation to acquiese or cowtow to whatever cash, military and other demands the EU can dream up. We can expect over time to be forced to adopt all EU customs including the Euro and schengen zone, take down the Union Flag and substitute their arsewipe, while singing the EU anthem at all important occasions.
How realistic it is to be able to destroy this rotten organisation from within is probably doubtful. We may be able to delay the passing of the next EU budget but whether we can prevent it or the passage of any other diktat seems unlikely. The EU would simply decide to accept a majority decision on all matters.
We are left with a very simple choice NO DEAL or accept this increasingly likely future outcome.
Don’t believe it? well the choice is prevent it or wait and see.
The full article is behind a paywall however in its opening paragraph The Telegraph is reporting that Junker is predicting the collapse of the UK and referring to the referendum result as “the original sin”. I think that there will be many voters in the UK sorely tempted to challenge the man to repeat that personal insult to their face.
To begin we have what has been going on in the EU Parliament which is quite revealing. The video starts with the Brexit Party MEP having a go about the EU Parliament President trying to influence the Speaker of the UK Parliament. Then Adolf ■■■■■■■■■■ has another rant calling Boris a Traitor. Farage gets up towards the end and has a real go at Barnacle.
youtube.com/watch?v=WSOUsfl_CVA
Here we get an insight into why Frau Merkel’s increasingly more obstructive attitude is appearing. This is why the EU is so determined to trap the UK into remaining an EU member.The reality is the EU couldn’t give a flying ■■■■ about Eire, it is just an excuse to trap the UK forever since they see it as a Catch 22 situation for the UK. As has always been the driving force from the EU’s perspective …it’s all about the money; the trade figures for Germany, are due which will reveal a continuing recessionary trend. The Euro is about to collapse so they are looking yet again towards us to subsidise their empire building project.
Absolutely no need for a border in Ireland, just leave it as it is and don’t think there is not any smuggling going on already, Buzzer
cav551:
Then Adolf ■■■■■■■■■■ has another rant calling Boris a Traitor.
^ That’s the interesting and all too predictable bit.So the EU now regards secession as treason within the Federation.Ironically that moronic scumbag piece of Federalist merde either really does stupidly think that BoJo is a real secessionist or he’s protesting too much.Either way with that slip the argument has now really crossed the line into a full on argument between Secession v Federal aggression.Wars have been started for less and certainly by the time such a statement gets made by the Union side.What do our forces do,in the face of such provocation and aggression effectively making us enforced subjects of the EU zb pile,they go prancing around happily wearing their EU insignia.While HM sits back and watches the country go down the EU’s tubes.
Well bless my soul two bits of news from team Labour, first that if they lose the upcoming general election both Corbin and his sidekick McDonnell are believed to step down from office which on the face of it is the good news but the bad is Sir Keir Starmer says that if Boris does get a deal with the EU it should be put to a referendum as the remainers still cannot accept the result of the first referendum. Thinking out loud I believe they will miss Brexit if and when it gets done, half of these remainer MP’s have never been heard off until this fiasco started and when its done I doubt we will here from them again, Buzzer
The direction of travel now sees the remainiac establishment trying for a second referendum now that a deal is a distinct possibility, they still can’t comprehend or accept the result of the original “once in a lifetime” referendum, I predict this is exactly what will happen when a deal is finally on the table and they won’t vote it through and “put it back to the people”.
This country really is going down the pan what with this and our capital city being brought to a standstill by a bunch of anti capitalist anarchists who want to take us back to the Middle Ages…
Your bang on with these eco protesters bringing parts of London to a stand still, they should analyse what they use in life personally as most would find they themselves are using every day items that cause damage to the environment either in there use or in the manufacture of such items.
As for Labour wanting a referendum on a deal if Boris does achieve one that is acceptable apparently Corbin has said he does not want this but things change daily as we all know so anything could happen, Buzzer
